Longing to belong?

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I’m glad you’ve brought up this concern.
Humans are naturally social by nature and that I believe is good and comes from the Lord our God.
And He directs that desires to bear fruit by telling us to have good relationships with wise people who are for the Lord.
Press on and God bless!
 
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In my prayer time this morning I was struck by how much I struggle sometimes with the longing to belong. So often I feel like an outsider; as a migrant and cultural mis-fit; as a person of faith in a secular world; even in my church, I've ended up somewhere different than where the tradition feels like "home."

Could you please elaborate on this? Are you saying you do not feel like the Anglicans are home for you?

I think part of me yearns to be part of a group of people of like mind, where I can be myself and feel at home without constantly worrying that I'm going to do or say the "wrong" thing or just not really understand where others are coming from.

Christian religious communities in general have this problem. They often do a poor job of being authentic.
 
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Could you please elaborate on this? Are you saying you do not feel like the Anglicans are home for you?

Not exactly. As you're aware, Anglicanism is a big tent. I became an Anglican in a parish which was (I now realise) out there on the evangelical-charismatic edge of Anglicanism. While there are aspects of the life of that place of which I was (and remain) critical, it means that my work since then, mostly in more catholic parishes, still leaves me feeling as if I am speaking a second language (I use the metaphor of having to "translate" my thinking into a different idiom for my context).

And yet after being formed and working for so long in this tradition, I also know that I couldn't now walk back into my original parish and feel instantly at home either. I have a foot in either world, and completely fit in neither.
 
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Not exactly. As you're aware, Anglicanism is a big tent. I became an Anglican in a parish which was (I now realise) out there on the evangelical-charismatic edge of Anglicanism.

I have an English friend that is the same in her background, and she is a lay preacher. I don't think that perspective is rare at all, though perhaps the situation of finding yourself with a very different religious party is not so common.

And yet after being formed and working for so long in this tradition, I also know that I couldn't now walk back into my original parish and feel instantly at home either. I have a foot in either world, and completely fit in neither.

Perhaps that makes you more authentically Anglican.
 
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Perhaps that makes you more authentically Anglican.

Maybe it does. And we all know how strained the communion is now, no? Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised to feel uneasy trying to straddle it! :)
 
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Maybe it does. And we all know how strained the communion is now, no? Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised to feel uneasy trying to straddle it! :)

Maybe you need to explore other parties/streams within Anglicanism? Have you delved into the liberal tradition at all? Perhaps what is lacking is a mediating perspective.
 
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It depends what you mean by liberal... some would say that being an ordained woman makes me hopelessly liberal, but I don't tend to think of myself as liberal.

Is that really so much of an issue in Australia? That sounds like a very difficult position.
 
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Maybe it does. And we all know how strained the communion is now, no? Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised to feel uneasy trying to straddle it! :)
What does this expression mean, "communion is strained"..?
 
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Is that really so much of an issue in Australia? That sounds like a very difficult position.

Yes, it continues to be a live issue. I couldn't get a licence as a priest just up the road in Sydney.

What does this expression mean, "communion is strained"..?

It means that the people in the Anglican communion around the world aren't getting on with one another very well right now. (That is an understatement; I would say there is de facto schism).
 
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Yes, it continues to be a live issue. I couldn't get a licence as a priest just up the road in Sydney.

Sydney Anglicanism seems very much atypical for a developed nation. I don't typically associate Anglicans with fundamentalists, but it's something I have learned is rare, but does happen. It seems more common in Australia and Britain.

Some of the local Episcopalians are influenced a bit by that sort of religion, and some were involved in the divisive politics a decade ago. I think its the main reason I am not Episcopalian. I can't think of being an Episcopalian or Anglican without being at least somewhat liberal.
 
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It means that the people in the Anglican communion around the world aren't getting on with one another very well right now. (That is an understatement; I would say there is de facto schism).
I understand. Could you indicate how long it has been that way?
 
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I understand. Could you indicate how long it has been that way?

That's a hard question to answer. To some degree there has always been strain in Anglicanism between people who thought we took the Reformation too far, and those who thought we didn't take it far enough.

I would say the current crisis dates to 2008 and has to do with issues around sexuality, in particular.
 
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In my prayer time this morning I was struck by how much I struggle sometimes with the longing to belong. So often I feel like an outsider; as a migrant and cultural mis-fit; as a person of faith in a secular world; even in my church, I've ended up somewhere different than where the tradition feels like "home."

It seems to be that everywhere I go I end up being the square peg in the round hole, often due to the lack of convenient square holes. And that comes at a cost, as I then have to either kind of squeeze myself to fit, or try to push at my context to make it a better fit, and neither of those are easy things to sustain over the long haul.

I think part of me yearns to be part of a group of people of like mind, where I can be myself and feel at home without constantly worrying that I'm going to do or say the "wrong" thing or just not really understand where others are coming from.

I don't think it's personal insecurity or the desire for affirmation, exactly, driving it; I think it's more that life (and life as a Christian) can be hard; and that being part of such a community is a source of encouragement and resilience.

So I wondered what people do when they don't seem to have anywhere to belong, and how you deal with that longing? Or is it just me?

I often feel the same way, and this is in the supposedly "pluralistically" leaning U.S.

What I wish would exist is some kind of Christian corporate body or organization that allowed for more philosophical, exploratory views of and within our common Christian faith. Something like, but not quite "the Christian Philosopher's Society," on the one hand, and similar to the "Emergent Church," but without the whimsy, on the other hand.
 
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So I wondered what people do when they don't seem to have anywhere to belong, and how you deal with that longing? Or is it just me?

I'll get to the point after a bit of background. :) The last sentence is the summary.

About a decade ago, God took me on an interesting time in the desert (figuratively) that ended up being the biggest transition and transformation in my 40+ years as a Christian. To summarize, I had made my identity into expectations around me, a good Christian, a good husband, a good father, a good employee, etc. I had immersed myself in activities and ministry and serving God, using my gifts and talents and experience as much as I could. Over a period of about a year, God slowly took away all the activity. Ministries I was in transitioned, ended, and I could find nothing to take their place. In a rarity in my life, many ministries did not even need volunteers when I asked. My job turned into a dead end and I had a boss that sidelined me. My family life even stalled out some at that point. When I finally quieted down a bit, God put me in front of a mirror and I really had no idea who I was. I was a caricature of a good Christian with no identity of my own. In the following months, God worked on me to show me who He made me to be. I emerged from that desert with a much clearer sense of identity and much healing of some bondages and lies that had been embedded in my heart that I never knew were there. It was like I was seeing the world through new eyes and everything was different.

One of the things I had been looking for (and never finding) was "the place" where God wanted me to be. I was searching and waiting to find the right calling, the right place, the right group, the right role, the right ministry, the right...whatever it was... where I would fit in and do what I was supposed to be doing. I always felt like I had feet in several different worlds where I'd fit in to some extent, but not totally, or even mostly. I had started to resign myself to never finding it this side of heaven (and indeed hoping I would fit in better there).

During this desert time, God confronted me with the question, who are you? and I had no clue. During this time, God brought me across an online community of believers (the old ransomedheart forums) with a number of people on that same journey. It was the first time in my life I felt like I fit in somewhere. It was totally about trying to see ourselves through God's eyes as the unique individuals He intended for us to become. The external things (doctrinal, political, economic, ideological differences) just faded away. During this time, I found that the hardest things to share with others were not based in pain, shame, grief, or failings, but rather they were in opening up about who I really was inside. God slowly brought me across various things and memories that had shown hints of who I was, and I slowly learned. Later, I started some small groups based on this quest to discover who God really made us each to be and I found a similar sense of belonging. In hindsight, this had less to do with the groups and more to do with what was happening inside of me.

Since then, I find myself looking carefully at people for the cracks in their armor and walls and masks that lets me see that treasure of God that is inside. I've learned to ask questions and listen carefully to find hints of it.

I've now had close to 10 years to process this and I'd summarize it as this. God has made us to be unique individuals, treasures, works of art, that are meant to reflect His glory in a way unique to us. However, throughout our lives, our God-given unique identity becomes lost in a sea of expectations and trying to fit in. Between that and the sin and pain of a fallen world and an enemy that hates and attacks anything beautiful the God has created, those things that are intended to be our uniqueness often become the very thing we end up ashamed of and hiding. A large part of us being a new creation is Christ is about being transformed into the unique person God intends for us to be. To make this into an analogy, if our life is a garden, there are those fruit trees, flowers, and good plants that God has put there and a plethora of weeds we and others and the enemy have put in. We often cannot tell the difference and just assume because it's green and sprouting that it should be part of the garden. We look at other gardens, see the same plants, and assume those are what we need to keep watering. It's when we let God clearly point out the best plants, that we can focus our efforts on those that bear fruit. I found that many of those things that I thought were "this is how God made me" turned out to be weeds that were sucking life out of me and distracting away from the good things.

I found that as the masks dropped away and my identity became closer and closer to what God intended, I started to feel more and more in place wherever I was at. In hindsight, many of those feelings of not fitting in were just symptoms of a deeper problem that I had no clue who God made me to be. Those were just a reflection that the current mask I had on didn't completely fit where I was at. I knew my gifts, talents, interests, strengths, personality type, etc., but those are just things that told me how am I am similar to other groups of people and of what practical use I might be to accomplish a few things. They ultimately proved a distraction away from finding the unique person who God made me to be. I'd often get excited about something new and throw myself into it and find some sense of belonging, but usually after some time the feeling of not fitting in or being in the right place would reemerge.

So anyway, in my experience, feelings of being out of place were more related to not having a clear sense of who God created me to be rather than not finding the right place to be.
 
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I often feel the same way, and this is in the supposedly "pluralistically" leaning U.S.

What I wish would exist is some kind of Christian corporate body or organization that allowed for more philosophical, exploratory views of and within our common Christian faith. Something like, but not quite "the Christian Philosopher's Society," on the one hand, and similar to the "Emergent Church," but without the whimsy, on the other hand.

I think you'ld find a good home in the Episcopal Church, Disciples of Christ, or the UCC. They seem to be the most oriented towards that approach to being Christian. And Sojourner magazine is probably going to be more of your thing than Christianity Today.
 
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I think you'ld find a good home in the Episcopal Church, Disciples of Christ, or the UCC. They seem to be the most oriented towards that approach to being Christian. And Sojourner magazine is probably going to be more of your thing than Christianity Today.

I've considered these options, but the problem is: I'm scientifically open (BioLogos), but ethically conservative (Pauline type ethics, hermeneutically considered), AND politically Purple (and not able to step completely into either the Democrat camp nor the Republican camp, not even some Independent camps). I'm not a fan of Luther, nor of Calvin, nor of even more highly liturgical churches. I lean toward simple Evangelicalism, but without the restrictions..........................................and with a wide openness to philosophical exploration of various issues. I've considered the Emergent Church, but they're a little whimsical and they don't exist, really, where I live, as far as I know.

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