DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF GOD'S LAW?

Saint Steven · Aug 22, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope, it depends on the within scirpture CONTEXT and the chapter CONTEXT that it is being used. TEN COMMANDMENTS means TEN COMMANDMENTS.

God's LAW is the TEN COMMANDMENTS because it is God alone that owns them, made them and wrote them with his own finger on two tables of stone and spoke them personally to his people.

While the Shadow laws were written by Moses in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE OLD COVENANT and are fulfilled in Christ.

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

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NEHEMIAH 10:29 [29], They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in GOD'S LAW, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD OUR LORD, and his judgments and his statutes;

EXODUS 34:28 [28], And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 [13], And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4 [4], And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

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Hope this helps

So, how are we supposed to understand the topic question if you are unable to define what "GOD'S LAW" is?

DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF GOD'S LAW?

Saint Steven · Aug 22, 2018

EvangAlived said:
Of course Jesus did not break a single commandment of God. That would be sin, and the plan of redemption would there have failed. I think a pretty clear text is John 15:10

Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

What is the difference between Jesus' commands and God's commands?

LoveGodsWord · Aug 22, 2018

Saint Steven said:
So, how are we supposed to understand the topic question if you are unable to define what "GOD'S LAW" is?

Now Steve, that is not true now is it?

Does the reference in Nehemiah 10:29 posted earlier, define what God's LAW is?

NEHEMIAH 10:29 [29], They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in GOD'S LAW, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD OUR LORD, and his judgments and his statutes;

Is God's LAW defined as a reference to the 10 Commandments?

Why are God's 10 Commandments called the 10 commandments in scripture and not the 613?

What makes up the OLD COVENANT? If you do not know what makes up the OLD COVENANT how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is.

You mix up your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT with God's eternal LAW that gives us a knowledge of what sin is.

WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

May God help you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Aug 22, 2018

Saint Steven said:
What is the difference between Jesus' commands and God's commands?

Nothing, Jesus is God and one with the father.

EvangAlived · Aug 22, 2018

Saint Steven said:
What is the difference between Jesus' commands and God's commands?

Ultimately nothing. However, there is a distinction between Jesus and us. Jesus was given a commandment from the Father to lay down His life for all mankind and received a commandment of being "sent" from the Father to take upon himself the form of a servant, etc. Jesus was given command from the Father of what Jesus was to do and say. Jesus could die for the sins of the whole world. We cannot. Jesus could lay down His life and take it up again, since He has life within Himself. There are commandments given unto Jesus that only He could fulfil in love. We have similar commandments, from Jesus to us, like laying down our lives for one another, etc. As the Father sent Him, so He sends us, etc.

Each of these commands and others, come within the bounds of the Ten, especially Exodus 20:12.

EvangAlived · Aug 22, 2018

Saint Steven said:
So, how are we supposed to understand the topic question if you are unable to define what "GOD'S LAW" is?

DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF GOD'S LAW?

God's law is the law of love, which in Deut. 6:5 is love to God, and in Lev. 19:17-18 is love to neighbour, both of which sum up in brief the Ten Commandments, which are all encompassing, exceeding broad, and every other commandment subsequent, finds its expression in the Ten, as Jesus said.

Jesus never broke God's (His Father's) Law. He was perfect. Innocent. Without fault. As all his antagonistic witnesses declared. The covenant between the Father and the Son was good.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 23, 2018

EvangAlived said:
God's law is the law of love, which in Deut. 6:5 is love to God, and in Lev. 19:17-18 is love to neighbour, both of which sum up in brief the Ten Commandments, which are all encompassing, exceeding broad, and every other commandment subsequent, finds its expression in the Ten, as Jesus said.

Jesus never broke God's (His Father's) Law. He was perfect. Innocent. Without fault. As all his antagonistic witnesses declared. The covenant between the Father and the Son was good.

Hi EvangAlived, nice post. Many do not know that when Jesus is quoting the two great commandments of LOVE that these are summing up the 10 Commandments as our duty of LOVE to GOD and man (Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10). Nice to see someone studying God's WORD. Thanks for sharing.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:

Saint Steven · Aug 23, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Now Steve, that is not true now is it?

Does the reference in Nehemiah 10:29 posted earlier, define what God's LAW is?

NEHEMIAH 10:29 [29], They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in GOD'S LAW, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD OUR LORD, and his judgments and his statutes;

Is God's LAW defined as a reference to the 10 Commandments?

Why are God's 10 Commandments called the 10 commandments in scripture and not the 613?

What makes up the OLD COVENANT? If you do not know what makes up the OLD COVENANT how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is.

You mix up your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT with God's eternal LAW that gives us a knowledge of what sin is.

WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

I asked you whether you are claiming that "God's LAW" is the Ten Commandments? Nothing else? You said it depends on the context. Thus leaving the term undefined, except in context?

Now you seem to be saying the TCs again. But earlier you said the TCs were special because they were written with God's finger. Yet that set was broken and Moses wrote the set in Deuteronomy. ???

The rest of the law was given directly to Moses by God. How can you claim that the whole law is not God's law? Probably because you don't want to wear tassels. lol

Saint Steven · Aug 23, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Nothing, Jesus is God and one with the father.

Jesus differentiates between the two. (vs 10, 12, 17) His commands and the Father's commands. And goes on to define one of his commands.

John 15:9-17
“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love.
10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love,
just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.
12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
14 You are my friends if you do what I command.
15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business.
Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—
fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.
17 This is my command: Love each other.

Saint Steven · Aug 23, 2018

EvangAlived said:
Ultimately nothing. However, there is a distinction between Jesus and us. Jesus was given a commandment from the Father to lay down His life for all mankind and received a commandment of being "sent" from the Father to take upon himself the form of a servant, etc. Jesus was given command from the Father of what Jesus was to do and say. Jesus could die for the sins of the whole world. We cannot. Jesus could lay down His life and take it up again, since He has life within Himself. There are commandments given unto Jesus that only He could fulfil in love. We have similar commandments, from Jesus to us, like laying down our lives for one another, etc. As the Father sent Him, so He sends us, etc.

Each of these commands and others, come within the bounds of the Ten, especially Exodus 20:12.

I think Jesus was talking about something more personalized.

You touched on it in your response. God the Father had specific plans for Jesus and individualized things for him to do. The same is true for us. So, just as Jesus had followed the directives of God the Father, so we are to follow his individualized directives. This requires a personal relationship with Jesus, not just a knowledge of the law. Jesus walked in that relationship with the Father. He wants us to do the same.

John 15:10-12
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love,
just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

Saint Steven · Aug 23, 2018

EvangAlived said:
God's law is the law of love, which in Deut. 6:5 is love to God, and in Lev. 19:17-18 is love to neighbour, both of which sum up in brief the Ten Commandments, which are all encompassing, exceeding broad, and every other commandment subsequent, finds its expression in the Ten, as Jesus said.

Jesus never broke God's (His Father's) Law. He was perfect. Innocent. Without fault. As all his antagonistic witnesses declared. The covenant between the Father and the Son was good.

You guys are all over the place with your definitions. You are here to promote God's law but can't agree on what it even is. This is how I understand it. (scripture below that)

In this scripture below we see three kinds of law. All different.
- the law (the law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses, all 613 commandments including the TCs)
- God’s law (the law of human conscience which is from Fall, the knowledge of good and evil) See Romans 2:14-15
- Christ’s law (the commands Jesus gave which replace the law He gave to the Israelites alone through Moses)

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

Saint Steven · Aug 23, 2018

The topic question: DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF GOD'S LAW?

Which is currently defined to ask:
DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF "the Ten Commandments"?

I say no, because he was setting them aside. And...

Romans 4:15
... where there is no law there is no transgression.

Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Dave L · Aug 23, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope not really Dave,

The 10 Commandments were indeed a part of the OLD Covenant. The problem with your understanding is that the 10 Commandments were only a part of the OLD COVENANT not all of it.

You mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE OLD COVENANT with GOD's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken.

Let's have a look at the scriptures in detail...

The OLD COVENANT was made up of many sets of LAWS. These included God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL, ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin and sin offerings for the SANCTUARY and PRIESTHOOD [Levitical].

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

The Old Covenant included; The 10 Commandments and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT...

1. GOD'S LAW (One scripture only as we already agree on this)

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

and ...

2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Also part of the old covenant)

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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* Yep, the OLD COVENANT is not just the 10 Commandments it includes the prophetic SHADOW LAWS FROM THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT*

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HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE

yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

You have your shadow laws mixed up with God's eternal LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken. * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4

Hope this helps

The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. And all the other doctrines pertained to them. Jesus abolished them on the cross.

Saint Steven · Aug 23, 2018

The law is STILL a "dividing wall of hostility".

Ephesians 2:13-16
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away
have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For he himself is our peace,
who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier,
the dividing wall of hostility,
15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity
out of the two, thus making peace,
16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross,
by which he put to death their hostility.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 23, 2018

Saint Steven said:
I asked you whether you are claiming that "God's LAW" is the Ten Commandments? Nothing else? You said it depends on the context. Thus leaving the term undefined, except in context?

Steve that is not true at all.

I suggest you re-read posts 317 and post # 323 linked and all the connecting scriptures. You seem to be ignoring them and if you do sorry I cannot help you. The term was indeed defined by God's WORD. This is what you left out of your post.

Does the reference in Nehemiah 10:29 posted earlier, define what God's LAW is?

NEHEMIAH 10:29 [29], They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in GOD'S LAW, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD OUR LORD, and his judgments and his statutes;

Is God's LAW defined as a reference to the 10 Commandments?

Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Saint Steven said:
Now you seem to be saying the TCs again. But earlier you said the TCs were special because they were written with God's finger. Yet that set was broken and Moses wrote the set in Deuteronomy. ???

Sorry Steve this does not make any sense. God wrote both sets of the same 10 Commandments on tables of stone. Let me know if you need the scriptures.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD. :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Aug 23, 2018

Saint Steven said:
Jesus differentiates between the two. (vs 10, 12, 17) His commands and the Father's commands. And goes on to define one of his commands.

John 15:9-17
“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love.
10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love,
just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.
12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
14 You are my friends if you do what I command.
15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business.
Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—
fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.
17 This is my command: Love each other.

Not really Steve,

Jesus and the Father are one. They do not have different sets of laws.

JOHN 10:30 I and my Father are one...

OT:
EXODUS 20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

NT:
JOHN 14:15 IF you LOVE me keep my commandments

JOHN 15:10 If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

OT
LEVITICUS 19:18 [18], You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

NT
JOHN 15:12; 17 [12], This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you. [17], These things I command you, that you love one another.

Hope this helps. :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Aug 23, 2018

Dave L said:
The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant. And all the other doctrines pertained to them. Jesus abolished them on the cross.

Hi Dave you have to ignore a lot of scriptures to believe that. Good luck telling that to God come judgment day. There is not one scripture in the NEW Testament that says God's 10 Commandments are abolsihed. It is sad you ignore the scriptures sent as a help to you.

This is sent in all respect and only as a help. If you believe only the 10 commandments are abolished in the NEW COVENANT that is the same as saying that you continue to you offer animal sacrifices for sin and Sanctuary laws for remission of sin (Leviticus 27:1:34; Numbers 15:1-22). Is this not denying Christ's role in the NEW COVENANT?

In your view is JESUS, PAUL, JAMES, PETER and JOHN all lying when they say God's Commandments are to be kept and establsihed in the lives of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD?

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Paul does not believe God's LAW is abolished...

ROMANS 3:31, Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW

ROMANS 2:13 [13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James say if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we commit SIN and we are not loving our neighbor and will be judged by it.

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS .
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if you commit NO ADULTERY, yet id you KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
[12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Yep doesn't look good for some come judgment day.

John also agrees with James that if we break God's LAW we commit sin.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW..

Paul says the wages of SIN is death to those who reject God's gift.

ROMANS 6:23 [23], FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

JESUS says that God's Commandments are not ABOLISHED yet you say they are?

MATTHEW 5:17-19 [17], THINK NOT THAT I HAVE COME TO DESTROY THE LAW OR THE PROPHETS; I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY , BUT TO FULFILL . [18], For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT ONE TITTLE SHALL PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED [Heaven and earth have not passed]. [19], Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: [least in the Kingdom of Heaven are those who do not go there] but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [Jesus, John Paul James and Peter all taught God's LAW click me]

Yep Jesus say God's LAW is not abolished but you do, who should we believe? Jesus or you?

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS

Do you think that is an unusual thing to say of God's Commandments are Abolished?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John says we KNOW God by keeping his Commandments. Those who do not do not know God and are liars. Does this not concern you if you are teaching God's Commandments are abolished?

NEED MORE SCRIPTURE? Click me here.

Now brother Dave, you can choose to ignore all these scriptures. It is between you and God. My prayer is that at the very least you will take it to God in prayer. God's Word does not teach lawlessness and those who practice it will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

May God help you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:

Saint Steven · Aug 23, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Steve that is not true at all.

I suggest you re-read posts 317 and post # 323 linked and all the connecting scriptures. You seem to be ignoring them and if you do sorry I cannot help you. The term was indeed defined by God's WORD. This is what you left out of your post.

Does the reference in Nehemiah 10:29 posted earlier, define what God's LAW is?

NEHEMIAH 10:29 [29], They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in GOD'S LAW, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD OUR LORD, and his judgments and his statutes;

Is God's LAW defined as a reference to the 10 Commandments?

Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Sorry Steve this does not make any sense. God wrote both sets of the same 10 Commandments on tables of stone. Let me know if you need the scriptures.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD.

What is this business of you constantly claiming that what I say "is not true at all"? I am either quoting, or restating, what you have posted. How can that be "not true at all"? At best a misunderstanding. To infer that I am lying, by claiming that what I say "is not true at all", is a bit much. Where's the honesty in that?

You have still failed to give a definition of "God's LAW" that you are firm on. How can we answer the topic question if you are unable to define the terms?

betterorworse · Aug 23, 2018

Dave L said:
Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross. It was the means God used to make one a physical Jew/Hebrew and physical member of Israel. The only biblical Israel today is Christ and the Church.

It is very important to understand that the circumcision isn't bad in itself. It is bad when bad people try to justify themselves with it and suggest it is ok to keep sinning and abolish Gods law of love that says the ten commandment's are eternally good.

If any are suggesting that sinning is the normal way of life, those suggesting that sinning is ok are in error.

betterorworse · Aug 23, 2018

Paul isn't trying to justify sin.

DID JESUS REALLY BREAK ANY OF GOD'S LAW?

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