Is the Earth flat or round???

Aldebaran said:

Maybe for the same reason people go to a gun shooting range and use a powerful gun to poke holes in pieces of paper when the same task could be accomplished by just poking the paper with a stick.

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Why are the astronauts so angry ?

Hundreds of satelites in this 360 view , finally we can see the 17 000 orbiting satelites and earth is globe

Chinchilla said:

Why are the astronauts so angry ?

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If these guys had really been to the moon, you'd think they'd just laugh at non-believers, as we laugh at the globalists (in a kind and loving way). That the astro-nots respond so violently when challenged, in my opinion, is evidence of their lie.

Aldebaran said:

Maybe for the same reason people go to a gun shooting range and use a powerful gun to poke holes in pieces of paper when the same task could be accomplished by just poking the paper with a stick.

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But why bother going to the edge , one could simply test nukes above hundreds of deserts or inhabited land , unless one thought they could not reach the dome from there , so they moved as close to it as possible .

Jay1971 said:

I'm really starting to believe that our Earth is really flat and not a globe like the world leads us to believe and need others thoughts on this as well.

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A Biblical & Scientific Refutation of a Flat Earth!

The Bible Refutes a Flat Earth:

1. Sunset

The Bible talks about the sun setting (Genesis 28:11) (Mark 1:32). This is clearly something we can observe without our own two eyes. The sun sets on the horizon line from our perspective or vantage point. However, the Flat Earth Sun Model ignores the true setting of the sun.

Here is a Picture of an Overview Head View of a Flat Earth (with their version of the sun):



Here is a Video Simulation From Ground Level if The Earth Were Flat With the Sun Making a Circle (Skip to 1 Minute and 9 seconds within the following video to see this):


But is this Flat Earth Ground Simulation what we see in the Real World? No. We see a sunset. If the sun setted on a Flat Earth, it would go down below the edge of the Flat disk and underneath it and the whole world would be in darkness for a time.

2. Three Heavens.

The Bible describes three Heavens (Sky, Outer space, and Paradise). Yet, how does three heavens work with a Flat Earth model? Genesis talks about one Heaven (singular) in the beginning (Genesis 1:1), and concludes the creation account with talking about Heavens (plural) (Genesis 2:1). That is because the Bible starts out describing the creation of Earth and it's atmosphere (Genesis 1:1-13), and it concludes with the creation of the host of Heavens (i.e. the planets, and stars, etc.) (Genesis 1:14-19) (Genesis 2:1). Here is an explanation on the three Heavens:


3. The World Wide Flood.

The Flat Earth model does not work because the waters in a world wide flood would pour off the ends of the Earth. On top of that, the waters were supposed to be 22 feet and 6 inches higher than the tallest mountains.

19 "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died"
(Genesis 7:19-22).


4. South is down according to the Bible (See Acts of the Apostles 8:26).

Is this just a coincidence that just so happens to match up with the reality of our spherical Earth? Maps show North as up and South as down on the map (Which also fits the reality of a spherical Earth). True North should be up and true South should be down. Granted, the Bible does use the words "down" or "up" in relation to elevation sometimes. But the context and map making should determine the use of that word.

5. The 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16 cf. Revelation 21:8).

You shall not bear false witness. Some of things I have heard by Flat Earthers sound more like lies or bearing false witness than they do facts. Can we imagine calling a Christian brother a liar who gave his testimony of going into space and said the Earth is round and he brought back photos showing that fact? No people can go to Antarctica? Yet, you can book your next vacation there and people have posted videos and photos of going there. Gunships prevent people from going to Antarctica? Planes do not have enough fuel capacity to fly far enough to reach the edge of the Earth? Yet, we can send rockets into space. Satellites are not true? The list of lies against many people goes on and on. It seeks to cause harm upon others that is not true and or believable. The Bible says we are to pray and to do good towards our enemies. We are not to spread lies or bear false witness against our fellow neighbor or brother based upon some kind of unbelievable set of conspiracy theories.

Science Refutes a Flat Earth:

1. Ships and Buildings go down into the distance as you get farther away from them.



Note: Flat Earth theorists object that these things reappear back into view with a high powered telescope or binoculars. This is clearly false. They are more than likely standing up or going to a high elevation to see the ship reappear. Stand up and you will see the sun set again. Note: see: Help with a debate about curvature and distance calculations. Also, there are underground miles long linear accelerators and the Lake Pontchartrain Power Lines which proves that the Earth is curved, as well. Check out the Spoiler:



2. Sunset.

The claims by the proponents of the flat earth model that what looks like a sunset is actually due to perspective from the sun moving farther away in its "orbit" above the flat earth. This can be shown with simple trigonometry to be completely false; in fact, the trigonometry shows you that in the flat earth model, the sun never gets close to the horizon, and thus viewing a sunset at all proves the flat earth claim false.

I have read debunks of the claim, but they focus more on the angular size changes of the Sun that would result from the flat earth model, but I've been surprised that I've yet to find a presentation of the actual trigonometry that shows a flat Earth sunset never happens.

I submit the following scenario, with diagram and calculation: Imagine standing on the equator at solar noon on the day of the equinox. In both the globe earth and the flat earth models, the sun will be directly above you. However, this is where the similarity ends. Six hours later, on the globe earth, the sun will have descended to the horizon at a position due West. On the flat earth, the sun will have gone one quarter around its "orbit" and will be seen to be 19.5 degrees above the horizon in a northwest direction.



Even when the sun is 12 hours around its orbit, it won't be lower than about 14 degrees (atan(3000/12000)), though magically it will be unobservable and your surroundings will be dark.

It is disingenuous to present the setting sun as a "perspective effect" when it is so easy to show how high up in the sky the sun should be as a function of time. This perspective effect only works with objects with a very small ratio of height above the ground to distance from the viewer.

This is sufficient to disprove the flat earth model presented above. The setting sun disproves the flat earth model. Source:Sunset on globe earth versus flat earth

3. You can see certain constellations only from certain parts of the Earth.

The Southern Cross Constellation cannot be seen in the higher part of the Northern Hemisphere. The North Star and the Big Dipper cannot be seen in the lower Southern Hemisphere, etc.



4. Solar and Lunar Eclipses also disprove a Flat Earth:

Click on the following Spoiler button if you want to see the difference between a Lunar and a Solar eclipse.


5. People live in the South Pole, and can provide 24 hours of video footage of daylight (Which is not possible on a Flat Earth because the Flat Earth sun goes around the crust of the pizza or what Flat Earthers believe is the South pole). Please see the very 1st image within this post. You will see the white outer edge of their flat disc is what they believe is the South pole. You will notice that the sun does not illuminate the entire outer white ring on their Flat Earth map. This is why do not believe the South pole can have 24 hours of daylight (Despite video footage and eye witness account proving otherwise).


Flat Earthers claim we cannot visit Antarctica, and yet, we can travel there: 3 Ways to Travel to Antarctica - wikiHow

6. We are able to go high above the atmosphere with rockets, weather balloons, satellites and take pictures and video footage of the Earth and see that it is round.



7. Shadows on the Earth.

Imagine the Sun's rays (represented by yellow lines) hitting two sticks (white lines) some distance apart. If the Earth were flat, the resulting shadows would be the same length, no matter how far apart you place the sticks. Check out the following Spoiler:


8. Stars can be seen in outer-space in low Earth orbit at night time with a camera on a weather balloon.


This proves that the stars are not embedded in the atmosphere as Flat Earthers claim. Also, no flat Earth sun was visibly shining like a spotlight up in Earth’s orbit, either. Why? Because the sun is on the other side of a spherical Earth.

9. Planes can Fly Long Distances (and would have no trouble reaching the Edges of a Flat Earth):

The flight from Dubai to New Zealand is 16 hours and 24 minutes of travel for 8,824 miles. This disproves the idea that planes do not have enough fuel capacity to travel the distance to the outer edge of the imaginary flat Earth drop off points. We also have space shuttles with airplanes on them. So crossing distances is not a problem. In fact, we sent rockets to outer space, too. There are also cargo planes that can hold massive trucks. Could we not take snow vehicles and drive through the snow to discover the edge, as well? Also, compasses sometimes fail. It would be odd that no pilot in human history has never accidentally ran into this outer drop off point of the Earth when their compass failed.


The problem with believing in a Flat Earth:

It adds an offense that can turn away a person from Christianity. The gospel is already an offense enough as it is. To add even more of an offense is a problem.

It is a belief that is set out to call other people liars without good reason or proof. It is not focused on loving your enemy as Christ commands us.

Flat Earth is also not founded upon any major evidence showing us that the Earth is flat like pictures or video footage of the drop off points of the Earth, either. It is based upon an unfounded web of conspiracy theories and unproven Fringe Science. It seeks to create outrageous theories so as to defend a theory that is denies basic Science.

Science:

10. Stars Spin in Direction Differently in the Far Northern Hemisphere than They Do in the Far Southern Hemisphere.



It is worth taking note that one can prove the Earth is a sphere by the fact that we can see the stars spinning in one direction on the Northern Hemisphere and yet we can see the stars spinning in the opposite direction on the Southern Hemisphere. You can contact people in these different hemispheres and get them to record footage for you (without letting them know your intentions to prove a round or flat Earth).

There is actually a more simpler way to check this without contacting a bunch of people if you like. Try spinning while you stand (either on ice or with your own two feet on the ground).



Take one of your hands and point to the direction of where you are going to spin while you are on your two feet.



Look up at the ceiling (as you spin).



and visualize an imaginary clock on the ceiling above you as you spin.



Keep your hand pointing in the direction of the spin as you do this. Do you notice the imaginary clock spinning clock wise or counter clock wise?

Make a mental note to yourself if you see that the direction of your spin matches the hands of an analog clock going forward or backwards.



Now, look down:



Keep your hand in the same direction pointing (where you kept the same spin of direction from before):



Now star spinning on your two feet again or spin while you ice skate:



Important Note: Please keep your hand towards the same direction you pointed from the previous spin.

Now, imagine an imaginary analog clock at your feet as you spin.



Does the hands of the clock move clock wise or counter clock wise as you spin in the same direction as when you looked up at the ceiling?

If you did the experiment correctly, you will notice that the hands of the imaginary clock in your mind on the ceiling would be different than when you looked down at your imaginary analog clock on the ground.

This is the same reason why stars spin in different directions when looking at them in the Northern hemisphere vs. the Southern hemisphere.

I hope this helps somebody today.

May God bless you all.

With loving kindness to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Jason.

Actually it is quite absurd for anyone to think the Earth is flat whether you believe in God or not.

I’m quite certain the earth is a dodecahedron.

Jay1971 said:

I'm really starting to believe that our Earth is really flat and not a globe like the world leads us to believe and need others thoughts on this as well.

In Genesus 1:6-9 we read (lets look at the word firmament and what it's really saying) and in verses 14,15,17 it's talking about the sun and moon and stars

6,And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7,And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8,And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day
9,And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry landappear: and it was so.
14,And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15,And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
17,And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

There also been documentaries on earth being measured and found not to be round/globe as the world wants us to believe.

P.S copy and pasting from kjv blueletterbible thanks on any other thoughts on this.

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You are correct the the earth is flat and stationary there is no outer space. But the shape is not really known, the Bible speaks of circular but also states the earth has corners. The sun, moon and stars are all locally moving above the stationary earth.

d taylor said:

You are correct the the earth is flat and stationary there is no outer space. But the shape is not really known, the Bible speaks of circular but also states the earth has corners. The sun, moon and stars are all locally moving above the stationary earth.

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d taylor, can you perhaps explain to me why over 25 governments who aren't all allies have decided to go in together on this giant hoax about the earth? Can you explain why public companies such as Red Bull, Space-X, Virgin Galactic, and every other company that has ever launched a satellite, including all weather satellites have agreed to get in on this hoax?

What exactly is the point?