Two Possibilities in Explaining Christ's Divine Behavior & His Limited Human Behavior.

Dan 3:23
And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
Dan 3:24
Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Dan 3:25
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

The Logos was never limited in TIME or SPACE from appearing in a human form, was never limited from being in human nature, such that He was capable of being a true human in order to serve as the LAMB of God, and that FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

The humanness that the Logos took on was not even limited TO MANKIND BEING CREATED YET!

SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD!!

Whatever 'humanness' that the Logos took on for our behalf in order to qualify as THE LAMB OF GOD -- it was pre-existent, eternal, not limited to starting at the manger in 1st century Israel.

He is sovereign enough to come as a baby in Bethlehem.

He is sovereign enough to appear in the fiery furnace centuries earlier in Babylon, even being seen by a pagan king.

He is sovereign enough to be the LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

Jhn 8:56

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Jason0047 said:

External temptations done by others, right?
Meaning, Jesus never was internally tempted to sin whereby He had wrong desire or lust so as to sin, right?

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you're going to have to give some sources to these these terms you use to give them credibility. You can just make up stuff and say they are true, especially when they go against all of Christianity. You yourself say there is no one belief system that agrees with you. Doesn't that tell you something? Are you souly the keeper of truth that no one else knows?

Jhn 8:57
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Jhn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

I AM -- 'I' in the totality of Himself -- as in ALL OF ME, divine, human - all of it - "I AM" was quite a thing for Jesus to say at that point, the divine name tetragrammaton, and so:

Jhn 8:59
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

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Lamb of God -- truly God and truly Man -- so that He could be the perfect sacrifice,

truly seen by Abraham before what our limited minds classify as "The Incarnation" --

truly seen by Nebuchadnezzar walking amid fire

truly having all the humanness required to be the Lamb of God before 'humanity' itself even existed except in the mind of God

slain from the foundation of the world

Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:


Yeah -- firstborn of HUMANS TOO

Col 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jason0047 said:

It was not an appearance of the the killing of a human. A real flesh and blood body died on our behalf.

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A human is not just a body.

Jason0047 said:

Only a body was needed. For it is by His blood whereby our sins are washed away and not by some human spirit.

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A human was needed. The Incarnation redeemed human life. Jesus isn't part man and part God. The Word of God wouldn't assume just a body because it's our spiritual likeness that makes Man like God. He was like us but without sin. A body without a soul is not like us. A fully human person was necessary to Love God by being obedient.

Jason0047 said:

God is not interested in us relating to a human.
God is interested in our worship.
In fact, if Jesus did have a human soul or a human spirit, then those who worshiped Jesus would also be worshiping a created finite human soul and spirit along with the divine.
This is a huge problem. Only God alone is to be worshiped, and Jesus says we are to worship God in spirit and in truth.
Jesus said His body was just a temple.
It was not the real portion of who He was.
It was just a shell or husk to pay the price for our sins.

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It's a problem to not worship God...,period. You make worshiping God conditional with that statement. God's concern was redeeming us and that required Him to be like us. We are not just a husk or shell.

The Spirit of God has no likeness with parted souls. No likeness to the state of death. Jesus had to have a parted soul to join the parted souls in Hades. Jason, what you are proposing goes against what has always been believed and is unreasonable.


Mark 14:34
And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.




Acts 2

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Still we can't comprehend exhaustively who He was -- took til 4th century and Basil, Gregory, Gregory, Hilary, Athanasius, Ambrose and Augustine -- and we still don't have but a glimpse

Isaiah 53:10

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:

when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,

he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Eloy Craft said:

The Word of God wouldn't assume just a body because it's our spiritual likeness that makes Man like God. He was like us but without sin. A body without a soul is not like us. A fully human person was necessary to Love God by being obedient.

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Amen, Eloy, no way that "only a body was needed".

Act 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Jason0047 said:

To say that Jesus had a human nature is to say that he had the ability to do evil. This means that in order to do evil or sin, one must have lusts or bad desires within them in order to carry out or act upon those wrong desires or lusts. Yet, the Bible says he was holy, undefiled and separate from sinners.

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Jason, to say that Jesus IS naturally human is to say He was conceived with a glorified soul. An eternal state of being.

Rev 22:13

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Luk 4:1
Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into
the wilderness

Luk 4:2

being tempted for forty days by the devil.

And in those days He ate nothing, and afterward, when they had ended, He was hungry.

1Co 15:21

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

As hedrick pointed out:

Anhypostasia (and also Enhypostasia) comprise a vitally important dimension to the Incarnation.

Anhypostasia refers to the fact that the human nature is not a person itself.
Enhypostasia refers to the fact that the Logos personalizes the humanity.

As such we have a fully divine and fully human Person, this Person is no one other than the Logos, the only-begotten Son who is truly and eternally God. But in the incarnation the Eternal and Uncreated Lord is made really and fully human, not in part, not kinda-sorta, but completely human.

This also means that Jesus is not a "hybrid" of God and man as Jason has said in this thread, because anhypostasia means that there is not a human person apart from the Logos. There is not one person of the Divine Logos and another person of the human Christ fused together as a hybrid; there is only the one Person of Jesus Christ, the Eternal Logos, who became man. Thus humanity has become nature for the Logos. He who was from all eternity God is now, also, human. This humanity is just as true to Who He is as His Eternal Deity.

Because the Logos personalizes the humanity, we do not have a less-than-human, we do not have a partly human, we do not have a humanity that has become subsumed into the Divinity, or merely acting as some kind of external shell for the Logos. Enhypostasia means that what we behold as human is indeed the very Logos Himself. The Logos was conceived. The Logos was born. The Logos grew up in wisdom and knowledge before God and men. The Logos suffered. The Logos was crucified. The Logos died, was buried, rose again, ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of the Father and He will come again. Because the Logos is Jesus, Jesus is the Logos.

Anhypostasia safeguards us against Nestorianism.
Enhypostasia safeguards us against Eutychianism.

We have neither hybrid nor mere appearance; instead we have true hypostatic union. One Lord Jesus Christ, truly God and truly man without division and without confusion.

-CryptoLutheran