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Rev 14:6-7 . . And I saw another angel flying through the sky, carrying the everlasting gospel to preach to the people who dwell on the earth-- to every nation, tribe, language, and people. Fear God! he shouted. Give glory to Him! For the time has come when He will sit as judge. Worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea, and all the springs of water!

Although most Christians readily agree that the cosmos is the result of intelligent design; they're divided over the very first two verses of Genesis which read like this:

1. In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. 2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Some sincerely believe the second verse indicates that the cosmos pre-existed its current form. In other words: a great cataclysm wrecked the Earth so that God had to reconstruct it. Thus; we today live on a renovated Earth. This posit is the so-called Gap Theory; which is explained pretty well on Wikipedia.

Others, just as sincere, believe that the six days of creation shouldn't be taken as 24-hour events; rather, as epochs of indeterminate length. This posit is based upon Genesis 2:4, which reads like this:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven."

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very same word for each of the six days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than 24 hours; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation were longer than 24 hours too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.


NOTE: Gen 1:24-31 says that God created humans and all terra critters on the sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other day did God create beasts but the sixth. However; the fossil record, in combination with scientific dating methods, strongly suggests that dinosaurs preceded humans by several million years. Either those ancient critters' remains are left-overs from a previous cosmos, or the days of creation are epochs because 24-hour days don't really tell the story.
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Im the third part believer which says cosmos does not exist at all , only heaven and earth . Between these is a firmament which God use as his footstool and where his throne is .

Are you saying you don't believe there is a universe?
 
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Are you saying you don't believe there is a universe?

No there is no such thing like universe , only heaven and earth , with solid firmament between these two and God sitting on top of the firmament in heaven .


Psalm 19:1 King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Job 37:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Ezekiel 1:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

God is literally few miles above you .
 
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No there is no such thing like universe , only heaven and earth , with solid firmament between these two and God sitting on top of the firmament in heaven .


Psalm 19:1 King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Job 37:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Ezekiel 1:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

God is literally few miles above you .

So you are saying that the sun is not a star and the stars are not far away and the gravitational forces impacting each other on a massive scale is a hoax?
 
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So you are saying that the sun is not a star and the stars are not far away and the gravitational forces impacting each other on a massive scale is a hoax?

Yep , wanna see sun in clouds ? Sun is great light just as moon .
 
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No there is no such thing like universe , only heaven and earth , with solid firmament between these two and God sitting on top of the firmament in heaven .


Psalm 19:1 King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Job 37:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Ezekiel 1:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

God is literally few miles above you .
he's omnipresent
 
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Do you support the flat earth theory?
only what Bible says about it , I don't speculate what is below or above and if there are multiple or one ect. There is wide approach to this theory not everything Biblical .
 
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Im the third part believer which says cosmos does not exist at all

This is a real picture of known universes
450px-NASA-HS201427a-HubbleUltraDeepField2014-20140603.jpg
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. Those white dots you are seeing are massive clusters of suns and each cluster is a universe.
 
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not possible they are computer generated images .
God created only one sun

If this helps you sleep at night then I am not here to give you unwanted bad dreams so sleep well, have greart dreams and awake in the morning feeling refreshed and ready for a new day.
 
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If this helps you sleep at night then I am not here to give you unwanted bad dreams so sleep well, have greart dreams and awake in the morning feeling refreshed and ready for a new day.

The sun is never compared to an angel in the Bible , meanwhile stars are multiple times used as idiom for angels. There is only one sun according to Bible and even prior to it being created there was light .


1 Timothy 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Truth is not single star has been proven to be ball of flaming gas in sky but that is needed if you assume the Big Bang theory .
 
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The picture I accidently double posted came from here---- & it's real

tronomers have just assembled one of the most comprehensive portraits yet of the universe's evolutionary history, based on a broad spectrum of observations by the Hubble Space Telescope and other space and ground-based telescopes. In particular, Hubble's ultraviolet vision opens a new window on the evolving universe, tracking the birth of stars over the last 11 billion years back to the cosmos' busiest star-forming period, about 3 billion years after the big bang. This photo encompasses a sea of approximately 15,000 galaxies -- 12,000 of which are star-forming -- widely distributed in time and space. This mosaic is 14 times the area of the Hubble Ultra Violet Ultra Deep Field released in 2014.

Astronomers using the ultraviolet vision of NASA's Hubble Space Telescope have captured one of the largest panoramic views of the fire and fury of star birth in the distant universe. The field features approximately 15,000 galaxies, about 12,000 of which are forming stars. Hubble's ultraviolet vision opens a new window on the evolving universe, tracking the birth of stars over the last 11 billion years back to the cosmos' busiest star-forming period, which happened about 3 billion years after the big bang.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180816143044.htm
 
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The picture I accidently double posted came from here---- & it's real

tronomers have just assembled one of the most comprehensive portraits yet of the universe's evolutionary history, based on a broad spectrum of observations by the Hubble Space Telescope and other space and ground-based telescopes. In particular, Hubble's ultraviolet vision opens a new window on the evolving universe, tracking the birth of stars over the last 11 billion years back to the cosmos' busiest star-forming period, about 3 billion years after the big bang. This photo encompasses a sea of approximately 15,000 galaxies -- 12,000 of which are star-forming -- widely distributed in time and space. This mosaic is 14 times the area of the Hubble Ultra Violet Ultra Deep Field released in 2014.

Astronomers using the ultraviolet vision of NASA's Hubble Space Telescope have captured one of the largest panoramic views of the fire and fury of star birth in the distant universe. The field features approximately 15,000 galaxies, about 12,000 of which are forming stars. Hubble's ultraviolet vision opens a new window on the evolving universe, tracking the birth of stars over the last 11 billion years back to the cosmos' busiest star-forming period, which happened about 3 billion years after the big bang.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180816143044.htm

Do you know this is contradicting what Bible says ? The same person from NASA who says the earth is globe will tell you that God does not exist , why do you believe in the first but refute the second ?
 
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Because I am able to chew gum and walk at the same time.

But the Bible says chewing gum and walking is not possible at same time if you get the analogy , you would need to make many things allegorical if not whole books .

For example how was there death before sin ?
 
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