Is an angel a spirit?

Sorn said:

Well no, none of our 5 senses can perceive the spiritual world. Getting a warm fuzzy feeling when praying etc is not us sensing the spiritual realm. For us to sense it, it or something/someone from it must manifest itself/themselves just enough for us to sense in some way otherwise we have no chance.

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Oh, we can definitely sense the spiritual world at times and in fact, it can be pretty frightening to come under spiritual attack by dark forces. The best defense we have is to plead the blood of Jesus in those moments. Thankfully, we can also sense the presence of God strongly at times, usually in our deepest struggles. In those moments when the separation of the physical and spiritual become the thinnest. Perhaps at the death bed of a loved one who loved Jesus deeply.

visionary said:

Let me ask you this... do angels have spirits?

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No but they are spirits.

visionary said:

We have the Holy Spirit. We have angels. We have a spirit given to each and everyone of us. There seems to be a clear distinction yet.... the question remains. Is an angel a spirit?

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I don't know what they are exactly though I believe they exist and that I have encountered at least one or two along the way. I just think of a two tiered existence, i.e. a physical world in which we are flesh and blood and a spiritual world unencumbered by the material. I think of angels as occupying that spiritual world, therefore I suppose I think of them as spirit.

visionary said:

Yet Yeshua will arrive on a horse with wings.

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Where does it say His horse has wings?

Loren T. said:

Oh, we can definitely sense the spiritual world at times and in fact, it can be pretty frightening to come under spiritual attack by dark forces. The best defense we have is to plead the blood of Jesus in those moments. Thankfully, we can also sense the presence of God strongly at times, usually in our deepest struggles. In those moments when the separation of the physical and spiritual become the thinnest. Perhaps at the death bed of a loved one who loved Jesus deeply.

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We like to think so but its most likely just strong emotions or feelings (both good or bad), psychology flaws, for wan't of a better description, like feeling anxiety when there is no need to or real threat, etc.

Sorn said:

Do you have a biblical reference to support this claim or are you just making an assumption which no one can prove?

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Yes.
Job 32:8-9 (KJV) But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Proverbs 20:27 (KJV) The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Proverbs 18:14 (KJV) The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?
1 Corinthians 2:9-16 (KJV)
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

I really like verse 15.

Edit:I almost forgot Hebrews 4:12,
Hebrews 4:12-13 (KJV)
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

visionary said:

So how can they think and have rational thoughts of their own if they have no bodies? When God made angels, he gave them impressive intellectual capabilities. In 2 Samuel 14:20 that God has given angels the knowledge about "all things that are on the earth."

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God doesn’t have a body, yet He has rational thoughts of His own. Why can’t the angels have rational thoughts without bodies, too?

2tim_215 said:

Yes.
Job 32:8-9 (KJV) But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Proverbs 20:27 (KJV) The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Proverbs 18:14 (KJV) The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?
1 Corinthians 2:9-16 (KJV)
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

I really like verse 15.

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I still think you are drawing a long bow but perhaps.

2tim_215 said:

Edit:I almost forgot Hebrews 4:12,
Hebrews 4:12-13 (KJV)
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

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These verses speak of Gods ability to know everything about us, including or thought and motives etc.
Or its also about the Word of God (bible) being able to have us judge ourselves against it as we read it.
They are not about us sensing any of the spiritual realm.

Sorn said:

I still think you are drawing a long bow but perhaps.

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Perhaps you need to wake up to the fact man has a spirit which is different from his soul and it's his spirit which allows him to communicate with God.
1 Cor 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Sorn said:

We like to think so but its most likely just strong emotions or feelings (both good or bad), psychology flaws, for wan't of a better description, like feeling anxiety when there is no need to or real threat, etc.

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Do you not believe scripture? His spirit testifies to ours. This has nothing to do with simply feelings, it's on a much deeper level.

2tim_215 said:

Perhaps you need to wake up to the fact man has a spirit which is different from his soul and it's his spirit which allows him to communicate with God.
1 Cor 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

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No, no, no!!
If we believe that God is omniscient then we also have to believe that he knows all that we do and say or think.

If I say out loud 'Thankyou God for this day and its blessings, in Jesus name I pray, amen' then I believe God hears that prayer or knows I prayed it.

It is not my soul encoding the prayer and transmitting it to Gods spirit in some sort of spirit code. God knows I pray the moment i do it, in fact he knows I am going to say that prayer even before I've prayed it.

Is not an unsaved person communicating with God when they ask God to forgive then and accept Jesus?

It is our theology as Christians to believe that God hears out prayers, spoken or thought, regardless of whether we are saved or not. Whether he chooses to honour that prayer or act to grant our request is a different matter, and you don't need to be saved for God to grant your request if it suits his will.

Loren T. said:

Do you not believe scripture? His spirit testifies to ours. This has nothing to do with simply feelings, it's on a much deeper level.

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Yes, but that's God interfacing with us in a way we can sense, like 'hearing a word', or feeling guilty over something (and saying it is the spirit convicting us etc). These are not us sensing the spiritual realm whenever we want to, but the spiritual realm communicating (possibly) with us when it wants to in a way that our emotions or thoughts will register.

We would never even get saved if we could not communicate with the spiritual realm. God speaks to our spirit, deep calling to deep, and we either answer or we refuse him.

Sorn said:

Yes, but that's God interfacing with us in a way we can sense, like 'hearing a word', or feeling guilty over something (and saying it is the spirit convicting us etc). These are not us sensing the spiritual realm whenever we want to, but the spiritual realm communicating (possibly) with us when it wants to in a way that our emotions or thoughts will register.

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Communication has to be two ways or is not communication.

Loren T. said:

Communication has to be two ways or is not communication.

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No, communication is sending a message that can be received and understood by the other party, period.
It does not have to be a 2 way thing, that my friend is called a conversation or dialogue.

Sorn said:

We are not told the details of angel anatomy or composition so its anyone's guess, emphasis on guess.

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True except that the Scriptures suggest an angel can be recognizable as such and/or can assume any form it needs to have for whatever mission it is on. So we probably don't even recognize angels around us as the angels they are. I find that concept very comforting though.

Loren T. said:

We would never even get saved if we could not communicate with the spiritual realm. God speaks to our spirit, deep calling to deep, and we either answer or we refuse him.

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But your example is God doing the communicating to us at some level, not us communicating back.
And by saying 'deep calling to deep' , your are effectively acknowledging its a subconscious process, ie not something we are sensing.

What you are saying is tantamount to God implanting the desire in you to find out more about him. That is not us sensing him, its him putting something in us, big difference.

If your example is correct then at some point a person decides they want to find out more about God and after attending services etc and pondering may decide to become a Christian.

Sorn said:

No, communication is sending a message that can be received and understood by the other party, period.
It does not have to be a 2 way thing, that my friend is called a conversation or dialogue.

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Which is what prayer is.

[QUOTE="Sorn, post: 73077538, member: 405699"if ]your example is correct then at some point a person decides that want to find out more about God and after attending services and pondering decides to become a Christian..[/QUOTE]

Uh yeah? That happens. Not seeing your point.