The true doctrine of "FREE WILL"??: Biblical examples??

drich0150 said:

24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Your on the right track but you have not mention paul's solution. You quoted it but I don't think you have acknowledge it. In that how does Paul subscribe in putting the old man in the flesh the one we are bound to till we die, how do we put him off and yet live sin free.. I embolden it for you..

With my mind I serve the law of God meaning with what he can control he serves God, even if his body is doing the evil he does not want to do. by loving God and loving the law and hating evil you are full filling what paul tells us to do here and in Chapter 8. where st of you simply miss the boat is you assume the body and mind must work together here in that the mind hates sin and the body stops sinning.. that is the lie of free will. because clearly in that last line Paul re-enforces the idea that while he controls his mind and makes his mind serve God he still does not have complete control over his body.

Again Paul's words/word of God, not mine. you can not forsake 1/2 of what is said to maintain doctrine. Rather, doctrine must be changed to encapsulate all that is said!

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Of course the flesh is dead because of sin, I agree with this.

Do you acknowledge that those who are in the flesh cannot please God?
Do you agree that those who are in Christ cannot sin? See this is not speaking of the body of the flesh, but of the spirit born of God that cannot sin.
Man is still part old man of the flesh (dead), and part new man of the Spirit (alive), because we have not put off this body of this death yet, but some fine day we will depart this body and be with Christ where he is.

But to God, he does not see us as in the flesh, that is not pleasing to God, God sees us in the Spirit.
And we are spiritually perfected if we are in Christ and have no sin. But the body part of us still sins, but that is corrupt and dead anyway and is going to be dust again.

Romans 8:5 exposes a truth many people miss. Those who live according to the Spirit are those who are alive to God being new creations in Christ and they do not live according to the flesh. This is not some personal daily decision you make, as you are either in the flesh and dead or in the Spirit and alive having eternal life, you live according to the Spirit so then you walk according to the
Spirit, because he has made you born of God. All such persons are spiritually minded and of God, not carnally minded and of flesh. You are either carnal and dead and at enmity with God or are spiritual and alive and have peace with God through Christ. For people born of God, Christ delivers them from the sins of the body of this death as Paul says in Romans 7.

Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [d]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

sdowney717 said:

Of course the flesh is dead because of sin, I agree with this.

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not what I said.. stop for a second this is not your doctrine.
What Paul is saying in the last bit of chapter 7 is that he is BOTH the Spirit filled man who loves God and the law and hates sin... However He still lives in his old sinful self. he still even though he hates it, because his body is alive it is still and always will be a slave to sin. His only recourse is to divide himself into the old sinful self and the new Spirit loving soul. For the soul is the only part of him he has control over...

That way when he sins... it is not Him who sins... but the sinner living in his body, which will die freeing the soul from the sinner upon real death not some metaphysical ideal death. No paul is saying he has to die to stop sinning. that is what the first bit about marriage is about in the forst part of 7. he likens his slavery like a marriage contract, in that it is good up until death. meaning until he dies his sinful self contract with sin is still valid. but because of Christ and his believf he will be resurrected free from the sinful self's original contract.

Do you acknowledge that those who are in the flesh cannot please God?

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not those who are in the flesh but those who's souls are controlled by the wants and desires of the sinful self/flesh can not lease God. There is a difference meaning those who seek to serve or make excuses for their fleshly desire/sin can not please God. however those who seek to serve the Spirit with our soul but still sin but hate the flesh for sinning can indeed serve and please God per this whole book of Romans!

Do you agree that those who are in Christ cannot sin?

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when you split soul and flesh as paul does in chapter 7 yes! but I also believe it is possible for the same body to contain a part that sins and a part that serves God. Again Paul's words

See this is not speaking of the body of the flesh, but of the spirit born of God that cannot sin.
Man is still part old man of the flesh (dead), and part new man of the Spirit (alive), because we have not put off this body of this death yet, but some fine day we will depart this body and be with Christ where he is.

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are you just making you own stuff up? This is the exact oppsite of what paul says here:
21 So I have learned this rule: When I want to do good, evil is there with me. 22 In my mind I am happy with God’s law. 23 But I see another law working in my body. That law makes war against the law that my mind accepts. That other law working in my body is the law of sin, and that law makes me its prisoner. 24 What a miserable person I am! Who will save me from this body that brings me death? 25 I thank God for his salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord! So in my mind I am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful self I am a slave to the law of sin.
Paul goes the exact opposite way. you say you have cntrol Paul says he only has control over his soul/mind and that he gives completely to God. However the other part of him/sinful flesh is still alive and well and will plague him till death. this part of him will keep on sinning. So his solution is to split himself and give all that he can to God, allowing death to take the rest.

But to God, he does not see us as in the flesh, that is not pleasing to God, God sees us in the Spirit.
And we are spiritually perfected if we are in Christ and have no sin. But the body part of us still sins, but that is corrupt and dead anyway and is going to be dust again.

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This is true.. just not the way you are using it. meaning think duality think one man with a God loving side and a sinful side he hates! God will preserve one and allow the other to perish, then upon resurrection unit the God loving soul to a non slave to sin body. That then will be when we have a true will free from sin.

Romans 8:5 exposes a truth many people miss. Those who live according to the Spirit are those who are alive to God being new creations in Christ and they do not live according to the flesh. This is not some personal daily decision you make, as you are either in the flesh and dead or in the Spirit and alive having eternal life, you live according to the Spirit so then you walk according to the
Spirit, because he has made you born of God. All such persons are spiritually minded and of God, not carnally minded and of flesh. You are either carnal and dead and at enmity with God or are spiritual and alive and have peace with God through Christ. For people born of God, Christ delivers them from the sins of the body of this death as Paul says in Romans 7.

Romans 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

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Again all true just not the way you think. you think body soul and mind spirit can all jive on this new level, but clearly paul spends all of chapter saying the oppsite dividing ourselves into the parts that can live in the spirit from what can not. so when he says spiritual self he means the 1/2 who decides whther sin is good or bad, not to the part who must son no matter what,

6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [d]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

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again all true, You are not focousing the truth through the lens paul installs in chapter 7. it is like you have explain chapter 7 away when clearly in the light of the rest of the book of romans the man still truggles with sin. the only way to make sense of this book with 7 included in to seperate ourselves into a sinful self and a spiritual self giving one to God and the other to death

drich0150 said:

not what I said.. stop for a second this is not your doctrine.
What Paul is saying in the last bit of chapter 7 is that he is BOTH the Spirit filled man who loves God and the law and hates sin... However He still lives in his old sinful self. he still even though he hates it, because his body is alive it is still and always will be a slave to sin. His only recourse is to divide himself into the old sinful self and the new Spirit loving soul. For the soul is the only part of him he has control over...

That way when he sins... it is not Him who sins... but the sinner living in his body, which will die freeing the soul from the sinner upon real death not some metaphysical ideal death. No paul is saying he has to die to stop sinning. that is what the first bit about marriage is about in the forst part of 7. he likens his slavery like a marriage contract, in that it is good up until death. meaning until he dies his sinful self contract with sin is still valid. but because of Christ and his believf he will be resurrected free from the sinful self's original contract.
not those who are in the flesh but those who's souls are controlled by the wants and desires of the sinful self/flesh can not lease God. There is a difference meaning those who seek to serve or make excuses for their fleshly desire/sin can not please God. however those who seek to serve the Spirit with our soul but still sin but hate the flesh for sinning can indeed serve and please God per this whole book of Romans!

when you split soul and flesh as paul does in chapter 7 yes! but I also believe it is possible for the same body to contain a part that sins and a part that serves God. Again Paul's words
are you just making you own stuff up? This is the exact oppsite of what paul says here:
21 So I have learned this rule: When I want to do good, evil is there with me. 22 In my mind I am happy with God’s law. 23 But I see another law working in my body. That law makes war against the law that my mind accepts. That other law working in my body is the law of sin, and that law makes me its prisoner. 24 What a miserable person I am! Who will save me from this body that brings me death? 25 I thank God for his salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord! So in my mind I am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful self I am a slave to the law of sin.
Paul goes the exact opposite way. you say you have cntrol Paul says he only has control over his soul/mind and that he gives completely to God. However the other part of him/sinful flesh is still alive and well and will plague him till death. this part of him will keep on sinning. So his solution is to split himself and give all that he can to God, allowing death to take the rest.

This is true.. just not the way you are using it. meaning think duality think one man with a God loving side and a sinful side he hates! God will preserve one and allow the other to perish, then upon resurrection unit the God loving soul to a non slave to sin body. That then will be when we have a true will free from sin.
Again all true just not the way you think. you think body soul and mind spirit can all jive on this new level, but clearly paul spends all of chapter saying the oppsite dividing ourselves into the parts that can live in the spirit from what can not. so when he says spiritual self he means the 1/2 who decides whther sin is good or bad, not to the part who must son no matter what,


again all true, You are not focousing the truth through the lens paul installs in chapter 7. it is like you have explain chapter 7 away when clearly in the light of the rest of the book of romans the man still truggles with sin. the only way to make sense of this book with 7 included in to seperate ourselves into a sinful self and a spiritual self giving one to God and the other to death

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Not explaining it away, just exposing the truth that there is an old man and a new man still inside og you, and that wont go away till your body turns back to the dust.

Paul also said this.
Ephesians 4
The New Man

17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Romans 8 is all about not being condemned in Christ, anyone who 'lives according to the Spirit' is not condemned, they have eternal life. They are made-created-fashioned as born of God by the Spirit, and so they then 'live according to the Spirit', being made spiritually alive.

They do not walk according to the flesh, and they are not carnally minded, they are spiritually minded.
To be carnally minded is DEATH.

Paul in Romans 7, was not carnally minded as verse 22 and 23 and verse 25 so says....


22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

sdowney717 said:

Not explaining it away, just exposing the truth that there is an old man and a new man still inside og you, and that wont go away till your body turns back to the dust.

Paul also said this.
Ephesians 4
The New Man

17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

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Ok... so how is this any different that what it is I have been saying?

sdowney717 said:

Romans 8 is all about not being condemned in Christ, anyone who 'lives according to the Spirit' is not condemned, they have eternal life. They are made-created-fashioned as born of God by the Spirit, and so they then 'live according to the Spirit', being made spiritually alive.

They do not walk according to the flesh, and they are not carnally minded, they are spiritually minded.
To be carnally minded is DEATH.

Paul in Romans 7, was not carnally minded as verse 22 and 23 and verse 25 so says....


22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

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again everything said point to the duality your first eph quote explains in greater detail. we are two being living in one body. on being a slave to sin the other part the only part you control is a slave to sin which can not lust after the sin the old part is a slave to. he must in his mind put off those sins and seek that which is holy, even if the old part is still subject to the same old sin.

drich0150 said:

Ok... so how is this any different that what it is I have been saying?

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You like to write long thoughts down, likely we have more in agreement than we think.

drich0150 said:

again everything said point to the duality your first eph quote explains in greater detail. we are two being living in one body. on being a slave to sin the other part the only part you control is a slave to sin which can not lust after the sin the old part is a slave to. he must in his mind put off those sins and seek that which is holy, even if the old part is still subject to the same old sin.

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Yes, yet there is no condemnation of hell for those who are born of God, they overcome the world by their faith. Even Paul in Romans 7 acknowledges Christ delivers him from the body of this death.

Jesus said in John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.

1 John 5
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—[a]our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

All believers build on the Rock of thier salvation, Christ. And if they build poorly will be striped of all rewards except for their eternal life wrought in them by the work of Christ on their behalf. Their spirit only will be saved as through a fire, the fire will test each mans work to see what remains.

sdowney717 said:

You like to write long thoughts down, likely we have more in agreement than we think.

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there is nothing short that can be said on this topic. Paul himself took a whole book of the bible to explain all of it

sdowney717 said:

Yes, yet there is no condemnation of hell for those who are born of God, they overcome the world by their faith. Even Paul in Romans 7 acknowledges Christ delivers him from the body of this death.

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he does at death meaning when we die we are then free. till then we still sin.. that is what romans 7 is all about. paul lements/hates himself because he still sins, and looks forward to the day Christ frees him from this body of sin. which is why he seperated himself in to two people living in one body. the old sinful man which is alive and well and the new man born of the spirit. and it is why he speaks as if they are two seperate people. because we can not collaborate with ur old sinful selves we must remain new in the spirit.. even if the old man continues to sin!

Jesus said in John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.

1 John 5
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—[a]our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?[/QUOTE]
All of this still works with the two men one body message paul wrote of in ro7

It is really quite simple: if we have NO 'free will' or 'free choice' then it would be IMPOSSIBLE to be judged according to our 'choices'. If we have no 'free will' or 'free choice' then there would be no way for us to do something righteous or commit 'sin'. Take away 'free will' or 'free choice' we are nothing more, nothing less than 'puppets'.

And think about this: if there is no 'free will' or 'free choice', what is the purpose of the Bible? In other words, if one has no 'freedom to choose', what is the purpose of any 'book of learning'?

Everything in our lives is a matter of us having the 'freedom' to choose. From the moment you awake each day the day begins with 'choices'. For every single act we perform each day is a matter of 'choice'. The fact that our choices are often limited in no way negates the fact that our choices are OUR OWN. How else could we be held responsible for them?

Blessings,

MEC

drich0150 said:

I agree to this point but where I think we differ is how Paul lives in the spirit can you show me how paul lives in the spirit and provide the verses that make you think this.
Again i do not disagree, but there is a turning point that allows this transition I think you are missing. show me where or when he becomes a son of God. mind you I AM NOT asking for the verse where those words are use I am asking for the event that makes him a son and not a slave. What changed inorder to make the change?

after that change yes... but it does not seem you have read enough of the chapter if you think we have what we need to conquer sin completely. right now paul says we have hope to become free, that the spirit will help us with our weakness.. (just keep reading)

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I'm not sure what you are looking for...but "29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son," seems to mean we have been given the capacity to keep becoming more like Jesus and are not just stuck with our sinful selves. I do not take this to mean we will reach perfection in this life.

Loren T. said:

I'm not sure what you are looking for...but "29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son," seems to mean we have been given the capacity to keep becoming more like Jesus and are not just stuck with our sinful selves. I do not take this to mean we will reach perfection in this life.

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I am asking for the event that makes him a son and not a slave. Im asking what changes us from slaves to sons.. John 8 Jesus says we are slaves to sin but if the son makes you free then you are no longer a slave. I'm asking when this freedom takes place (contextual topical book chapter and verse not scrap book theology)

True "Rebirth".

Blessings,

MEC

I would like to add this and hope that I can put in words that can be universally understood.

Our past often determines the choices we make. That could mean that even though we have 'different choices', the one we make can't be made any differently. A coward often has no other choice than that of a coward. A thief a thief. A liar a liar. But each of these can CHANGE. Each of these can become something different than what they already are. And THAT is a matter of CHOICE.

In other words, I have a choice to buy something. Ultimately I pick the one of my 'choice'. But it cannot be said that I had unlimited choices because what I REALLY wanted began the process of choice to begin with.

If I wanted a RED car, my choice is now LIMITED. If I wanted a particular model, that further limits my choices.

So you see, while it may seem that my choice is predetermined, (and to an extent it IS due in large part to WHO I am), it is still MY choice.

A person chooses to sacrifice their life for another. Or a person chooses to tell the truth no matter what the consequences, while it is 'their choice' which path they choose, often they are limited to the choice they make by WHO they truly are.

It is no different than God having NO CHOICE but to DO what He must in order to BE God. He cannot 'choose' to do something that would cause Him to cease to be God.

Our mistakes? While it is often a bad choice that leads to our greatest blunders, often these lead to our greatest lessons as well. Making up one's mind that they only have ONE choice in any situation is merely a matter of self deception often predetermined ONLY by 'who' they are. Yet they can become someone DIFFERENT by merely making THAT choice. That others may not TREAT you differently doesn't negate the fact that a 'choice' can change WHO you are.

Think about this: Jonah was given instruction, DIRECT instruction from God Himself. But that didn't FORCE him to follow those instructions. Even though Jonah was punished for not following as directed, that still didn't FORCE him to follow. It was only upon DECIDING to follow that he did.

Blessings,

MEC

I often feel like I have ONLY one choice. And perhaps in the big picture, I DO only have one choice determined by WHO I am. But if I am willing to CHANGE who I am, that totally eliminates only ONE choice.

Blessings,

MEC

Imagican said:

I often feel like I have ONLY one choice. And perhaps in the big picture, I DO only have one choice determined by WHO I am. But if I am willing to CHANGE who I am, that totally eliminates only ONE choice.

Blessings,

MEC

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Indeed... without that choice kinda makes you a slave to the one choosing for you huh? So then if we give our one choice to God we become as slaves even though we are heirs. However at somepoint our chains will be replaced with freedom. or so says paul and Christ.

But even then, we do have Biblical examples of those that at one point allowed God to do the choosing for them and then turned around and ignored God and did their own choosing.

Moses, David, Jonah, Peter, etc........... and these don't even take into account the stories offered by Christ such as the Prodigal son and people hearing the truth and then turning their backs on it.

Look, Adam and Eve are proof enough of 'freedom of choice'. They were commanded by God not to eat yet they ignored this command and did eat. God did not 'stop them from eating'. He left it up to them to either follow His command or disobey it.

We are all gifted with this same 'freedom' to choose our own path or that which God would have us follow.

Blessings,

MEC

But even then, we do have Biblical examples of those that at one point allowed God to do the choosing for them and then turned around and ignored God and did their own choosing.

Moses, David, Jonah, Peter, etc........... and these don't even take into account the stories offered by Christ such as the Prodigal son and people hearing the truth and then turning their backs on it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and all forgiven for it as well... But is it because they chose God, or God chose them, irrevokably...?

Or was it dependent upon "their faith" and/or repentence, then, because "they chose it" or God did...?

Imagican said:

Look, Adam and Eve are proof enough of 'freedom of choice'. They were commanded by God not to eat yet they ignored this command and did eat. God did not 'stop them from eating'. He left it up to them to either follow His command or disobey it.

We are all gifted with this same 'freedom' to choose our own path or that which God would have us follow.

Blessings,

MEC

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Did God create Adam and Eve truly free will beings or not...? And did He (God) not know what and or how they were gonna do, be, how they would live, then eventually choose to disobey, and the consequences of all of that, and their death...? World of sin and death, all of that...? Did he (God) not (already) know all of it, even when making them, or not...? Or it, (or creation), before creation became became where everything was, and all that is, and is all going to be, before, perhaps long before, ever causing it to be or become...

Ans what does that mean...?

If he knew knows where all is going to be at a times, and in all times, how do we have choice...?

God Bless!

Ron Gurley said:

The true doctrine of "FREE WILL"??: Biblical examples??

"Free will" and SALVATION by GRACE through spirit-led FAITH/BELIEF (John 3+Eph.2)

Man's spiritual "Free Will"
...VERSUS...
the spiritual perfect WILL of the TRI-UNE GOD

In Genesis, Man had the "free will" to OBEY...remain in Eden...spiritually walk and talk with his UNSEEN God.
...VERSUS...
do his own thing...follow his selfish and natural tendancy to turn from God...DISOBEY

In the gospels / NT:

1."free will" BEFORE "salvation"...

The spirit of Man can ACCEPT or REJECT the DRAWING/CALLING of God.
...the offer of the gift of undeserved spiritual Grace/Love/Mercy
through spirit-led Faith/Belief.

2. "free will" AFTER "salvation"...

a. guided into spiritual "good works"
...VERSUS...
following the 1. world (chaos) and 2. the old "ways of the flesh" (sin nature) and 3. the temptations/attacks of spirit beings: devil/demons.

b. Be filled with / controlled by / pray and worship / walk in THE SPIRIT
...VERSUS...
grieve / quench / do not follow THE SPIRIT's guidance and comfort.

God gives Man the opportunities to CHOOSE...allowing the spiritual freedom to choose...free to follow the will of God...or not.

The following concepts are difficult to understand and perhaps logically contradictory....BOTH EXIST!...

A. The Sovreignty of an all-everything perfect God, a SPIRIT!
...VERSUS...
B. the spiritual exercise of the "free will" of Man (and angels!) inside God's will

ACCEPT...RECEIVE...BELIEVE...etc...OR...NOT!

John 1: 12-13 (NASB)...Will of Man VS the Will of God ~= "free will"
But as many as RECEIVED Him,(spiritually born again from above)
to them He gave the right to become children of God,
even to those who BELIEVE in His name,
who were BORN,
not of blood
nor of the will of the flesh
nor of the will of man,
but (spiritually BORN) of (the Will of) God.

John 3: 11-12 ...Accept Jesus' "testimony"..OR...NOT~= "free will"
11 Truly, truly, I say to you,
we speak of what we know
and testify of what we have seen,
and you do not ACCEPT our testimony.
12 If I told you earthly things and you do not believe,
how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

John 8 : 31-38 (NASB)...Jesus: FOLLOW...OR...NOT ~= "free will"
...“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”...( to follow the will of God)

1 Thessalonians 2:13 ...Accept God's "word"...or...NOT ~= "free will"
For this reason we also constantly thank God
that when you received the "word of God" which you heard from us,
you ACCEPTED it not as the word of men, but for what it really is,
the "word of God", which also performs its work in you who BELIEVE.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But a "natural man" (unsaved) does not ACCEPT the things of the Spirit of God,
for they are foolishness to him;
and he cannot understand them,
because they are spiritually appraised.(discerned)

Hebrews 10: 31;35-36(NASB)...Jesus the Christ ...or... Judgment? ~= "free will"
It is a terrifying thing (for unbelievers) to fall into the hands of the living God....
Therefore, do not throw away your confidence (in a believer's salvation),
which has a great reward.For you have need of endurance,
so that when you have done the WILL of GOD,
you may receive what was promised. (joy!)...John 15!

1 John 2: 15-17(NASB)...John: Do Not Love the World...Love God ~= "free will"
Do not love the world nor the things in the world.
If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world,
the lust of the flesh and
the lust of the eyes and
the boastful pride of life,
is not from the Father, but is from the world.
The world is passing away, and also its lusts;
but the one who does the WILL of GOD lives forever.

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Respectfully, I'm not able to understand how you're defining a free will from what you've posted. As far as I can tell, you present the existence of an option as an indication that the will is free. The existence of an option however, such as the opposing directions of good and evil, would not qualify the will as free as pertains to any moral/immoral ability or disability.

The term "free" is an adjective and therefore a relative and subjective term. I cannot tell from your post what it is relative to. Could you please describe what you mean to infer as pertains what the will is free from?