Lets read about the firmament

TLK Valentine said:

But aren't you saying that all these "heavens" are in the same physical space? There's firmament, dirt, and then.... what?

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There is the eternal present or Eternity, which has no beginning and no end. That's where Jesus is today preparing a place for Christians. In this perfect physical world, there is air, dust and water.

Adam's firmament/universe was beneath the water in the multiverse and the present universe is in the ground of the multiverse. Heaven is in the air of that perfect world and knows no limits, since there is NO firmament or solid boundary of the 3rd Heaven. Those of us who will live forever in the 3rd Heaven owe it all to Jesus and His love for us.

Aman777 said:

There is the eternal present or Eternity, which has no beginning and no end. That's where Jesus is today preparing a place for Christians. In this perfect physical world, there is air, dust and water.

Adam's firmament/universe was beneath the water in the multiverse and the present universe is in the ground of the multiverse. Heaven is in the air of that perfect world and knows no limits, since there is NO firmament or solid boundary of the 3rd Heaven. Those of us who will live forever in the 3rd Heaven owe it all to Jesus and His love for us.

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That's all well and nice, but it still sounds like it's all in the same universe...

TLK Valentine said:

That's all well and nice, but it still sounds like it's all in the same universe...

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It is all the same multiverse since Adam's world was in the water, our world is in the ground, and the third Heaven is in the air of God's perfect Heaven. IOW, It's one multiverse composed of 3 universes.

Aman777 said:

It is all the same multiverse since Adam's world was in the water, our world is in the ground, and the third Heaven is in the air of God's perfect Heaven. IOW, It's one multiverse composed of 3 universes.

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One inside the other... kind of like nesting dolls?

TLK Valentine said:

One inside the other... kind of like nesting dolls?

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Or like the Triune God. Amen?

Aman777 said:

Or like the Triune God. Amen?

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Your example doesn't fit. Each aspect of the triune is, in and of itself, also the whole. The same cannot be said about the multiverse... at least, not by one who understands the hypothesis...

AV1611VET said:

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Genesis 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

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First we need to understand at least three separate firmaments are talked about.
The one in verse 6 raqia (an extended surface, expanse), contrasted in verse 7 with first mentioning the haraqia and then the laraqia. And in verse 8 the laraqia is made mention of...

Verse 14 uses biraqia, as does 15, 17. Verse 20 goes back to raqia......

So the expanse that separated the waters below from the surface waters above was the haraqia, or surface of the earth. The laraqia is where the birds fly or heaven, and the biraqia is where the stars exist, or as we call it outer space.....

TLK Valentine said:

Your example doesn't fit. Each aspect of the triune is, in and of itself, also the whole. The same cannot be said about the multiverse... at least, not by one who understands the hypothesis...

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Amen. God is three in one, the Trinity, the Judges, the invisible Spirit of Love, and His perfect Heaven/ where everyone lives forever, also has air, dust and water. This shows that EVERYTHING that God the Trinity "creates" is eternal. Gen 1:1 Amen?

AV1611VET said:

Something like that.

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Nice reply instead of saying that he overcame you with his charm and insight into the Hebrew language. Amen?

Aman777 said:

Nice reply instead of saying that he overcame you with his charm and insight into the Hebrew language. Amen?

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Charm may be overdoing it a bit since I am incredibly sarcastic witted which to most comes off as talking down to them when it is usually just sarcasm.... Although none was given in that post.

Justatruthseeker said:

Charm may be overdoing it a bit since I am incredibly sarcastic witted

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Reminds me of what I say when someone asks how I am. I tell them I'm as mean as ever.

Aman777 said:

Amen. God is three in one, the Trinity, the Judges, the invisible Spirit of Love, and His perfect Heaven/ where everyone lives forever, also has air, dust and water. This shows that EVERYTHING that God the Trinity "creates" is eternal. Gen 1:1 Amen?

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Meaning your analogy is useless. Amen, indeed.

Aman777 said: ↑
Amen. God is three in one, the Trinity, the Judges, the invisible Spirit of Love, and His perfect Heaven/ where everyone lives forever, also has air, dust and water. This shows that EVERYTHING that God the Trinity "creates" is eternal. Gen 1:1 Amen?

TLK Valentine said:

Meaning your analogy is useless. Amen, indeed.

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No, it means that anything God creates is eternal and anything Jesus forms from the air, dust and water which contained darkness or death, is temporary....including mankind. Have you been born again Spiritually? Eternally? IF so, you were born physically of His kind and now you are of Their (Trinity) kind, and you are immortal for you shall never die. Amen?

Aman777 said:

No, it means that anything God creates is eternal and anything Jesus forms from the air, dust and water which contained darkness or death, is temporary....including mankind. Have you been born again Spiritually? Eternally? IF so, you were born physically of His kind and now you are of Their (Trinity) kind, and you are immortal for you shall never die. Amen?

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God creates permanent things, Jesus, who is God, only creates temporary things.

Nice theology you got there.

TLK Valentine said:

God creates permanent things, Jesus, who is God, only creates temporary things.

Nice theology you got there.

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Thanks. Whatever Jesus forms from the air, dust and water, created in the beginning is subject to vanity since the entire creation is subject to entropy and death. That is WHY we MUST be born again Spiritually by God the Trinity. Genesis 1:26 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Otherwise, we return to the dust from whence we came.

Aman777 said:

Thanks. Whatever Jesus forms from the air, dust and water, created in the beginning is subject to vanity since the entire creation is subject to entropy and death. That is WHY we MUST be born again Spiritually by God the Trinity. Genesis 1:26 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Otherwise, we return to the dust from whence we came.

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And from that dust, new things come. Per saecula saeculorum, Amen?

TLK Valentine said:

And from that dust, new things come. Per saecula saeculorum, Amen?

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Only if Jesus chooses to form another common ancestor. Isn't that what Stevie Gould preached?

Ecc 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.