Do we live near the last days? What does Revelation 18 mean?

Douggg said:

What I think you are saying to me is that you don't know how to make it fit.

The chronology of the events in Revelation 6 -19 is a the chronology of events that take place in the seventieth week of Daniel 9. But you only have the second half of the seventieth week in your interpretation of those chapters. And don't take into consideration that any of those events could be in the first half of the seventieth week. Which is the fundamental error of your interpretation.


Revelation 11, the 7 years are contained in the first three verses. The first half is the 1260 days of the two witnesses testimony; and the second half is represented by the 42 months of occupying Jerusalem.

The seventh trumpet sounds right after the 1260 days (1263.5 days when the 3 1/2 days are included) of the two witnesses. Which is the same 1260 days in Revelation 12:6, which then after the war in the second heaven and Satan cast down is the third woe on the inhabiters of the earth. In the text.

I can't understand why that doesn't register with you.

Both Revelation 11 and Revelation 12 cover the seven years. Revelation 11 from the standpoint of the two witnesses. And Revelation 12 from the standpoint of Israel.

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Revelation 12 covers 7 years because after the woman gives birth she is ceremonially unclean for 7 days (Leviticus 12:2) (then is purified). The woman 'gave birth' on Sept 23, 2017 with the star sign of Revelation 12:1. The beast from the sea's 42 months are the 2nd half of this 7 year set (2 sets of 1260 days). The woman is in the wilderness for this same time-frame of the 2nd half of these 7 years. (March 6, 2021 through Aug 17, 2024)

The 2 witnesses do not witness for 7 years
Revelation 11:1-4

The Gentiles trample the holy city for 42 months. The 2 witnesses prophecy for 1260 days. It's the same time period: the 2 witnesses (new Zerubabbel & new Joshua) are the ones building Ezekiel's temple that has the outer court that the Gentiles/ nations are possessing for 42 months. The 2 witnesses are given power (Revelation 11:6) after the 6th Trumpet war has started.

Revelation 11 only covers 1260 days, not 7 years. If the 2 witnesses are symbolic, it makes sense why it says both 42 months & 1260 days: The beast that is coming up from the abyss starts the war with the symbolic witnesses after 42 Bible/ lunar months (~ 1240 days) (allowing people to celebrate on Earth Day, 2025) and is concluded 20 days later on the 1260th day (20ish day war)

(the beast that is coming up - Revelation 11:7 = the 2nd appearance of Satan & the beast from the sea & earth. Revelation 17:8's beast that 'was', 'is not', and yet 'is' means that there are 2 appearances, when it 'was' and 'yet is'.

The 1st appearance of the beast from the abyss is in the 2nd half of the 7 years of the Revelation 12 timeline. The 2nd appearance starts after the 2nd half of the Revelation 12 timeline is over, ie after the 7 years of the woman is concluded. Then there is a gap from the end of the 7 years until the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days when the 'beast from the abyss that is' / is 'coming up from the abyss' comes back to kill the 2 witnesses. (end of the 7 years: Aug 17, 2024 then Satan's 2 appearance comes up from the abyss May 10, 2025)


Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”

The woe in Revelation 12:12 is going back in time to the 1st woe, because we moved back in time to the beginning of the 7 years for the woman, to the Sept 23, 2017 star sign. (Satan arrives 1290 days before the end of the 7 years here, 30 days prior to the beast from the sea's 42 months.)

These Revelation 12 woes are detailed in
1st woe/ Revelation 18:9-10, the kings of the earth say woe (associated with the 6th Seal kings Revelation 6:12-17 - 1 month later comes the beast from the sea)
2nd woe/ Revelation 18:11-16, the merchants say woe (associated with the beast from the earth & 666)
3rd woe/ Revelation 18:17-19, the sea captains say woe (the beast that is coming up from the abyss to kill the 2 witnesses)

then they rejoice at Revelation 18:20

And because there is the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven before the abomination (Matthew 24:14-15) & Malachi 4:5 says that Elijah will be preaching before the Day of the Lord,
Revelation Man insists the 2 witnesses show up before they should as Revelation describes it. The solution is in Daniel 9:26

The 'city' is the woman 7 year time-line. Revelation 17:18
The 'sanctuary' is the 1260 day time-line starting at Kislev 24 (Haggai 2:18-23) (dusk Nov 27, 2021) when the 2 witnesses have laid the foundation for Ezekiel's temple.

dfw69 said:

I thought that too but though Rome seems to fit the bill I believe and even greater empire than Rome is yet to come ....from the rebuilt city of Babylon

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The bible says Babylon will never be rebuilt not even lived in again.

Isaiah 13:20-22
20 Babylon will never rise again. Generation after generation will come and go, but the land will never again be lived in. The nomads will not even camp there. The shepherds won’t let their sheep stay overnight. 21 The wild animals of the desert will make it their home. The houses will be haunted by howling creatures. Ostriches will live there, and the demons will come there to dance. 22 Hyenas and jackals will den within the palaces. Babylon’s days are numbered; her time of doom will soon be here.

Jeremiah 51:62-64
62 Then shalt thou say, O Lord, thou hast spoken against this place, to cut it off, that none shall remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall be desolate for ever. 63 And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates: 64 And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will bring upon her: and they shall be weary. Thus far are the words of Jeremiah.

dfw69 said:

Actually it reveals 8 heads ...egypt Assyria Babylon medo /Persia Greece
Rome. .then the 10 kingdoms.....i believe the 10 kingdoms yet to come is the none descriptive beast, not Rome

The 10 kingdoms will become the 4th ferocious beast and is the 7th of revelation .....and mystery Babylon will fornicate with those 10 kinhdoms yet to come

The 8th kingdom will be the little horn who will rise over the 10 kingdoms and they will hate mystery Babylon

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The 10 Kings are never a Beast brother, they give their power unto the Anti-Christ (Rev. 17:12-13) and rule with him for ONE HOUR which as of course means 42 months (short time). You must Conquer Israel AND the Mediterranean Sea Region in order to be a BEAST over the Region, look at all those Empires on a map and they all ruled over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region. Thus the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer Israel, after the 10 Kings give him their power, so the 10 Kings can not be a Beast because they do not Conquer Israel nor the Region. Look below for a further understanding of the Beast.

Revelation 13:1-4
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (Mediterranean), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (Greece), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Persia), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death (Rome); and his deadly wound was healed (Little Horn/Anti-Christ): and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

In Daniel he was shown the Four Beasts, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome from his perspective on, then he saw 10 horns arose out of the Fourth Beast and ANOTHER Little Horn come up among the 10 Horns. This Little Horn is given the power by the 10 horns (see Rev. 17:12:13) and then he enters into Peace Agreements with Israel and MANY (Dan. 9:27), meaning nations around the Mediterranean Sea Region (North Africa, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc. etc). Then he reneges on his peace agreements and thus destroys MANY (Dan. 8:25) by Peace, and we see the Conquering in Dan. 11:40-43, he Conquers all of North Africa, and the MANY NATIONS, and of course Israel !!

He alone thus becomes the 7th Head of the Beast which has ONLY 7 Heads and 10 Horns.

The 8th King of Rev. 17 is Apollyon, the Scarlet Colored Beast. The Red Dragon (Satan) of Rev. 12 has CROWNS on the 7 Heads because he is over all earthly Kingdoms just as he told Jesus in Luke chapter 4, "these Kingdoms are all given unto me, and I do as I will with them". So these 7 Heads are the 7 Kingdoms that have BEASTED over Israel and the Region (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and The coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn). The 8th King is a Demon Spirit who was placed by God over the Mediterranean Sea Region, (SEE BELOW for reference point), he was known as the prince of Persia in Dan. ch. 10, he resisted Michael when Micheal wanted Greece and Alexander the Great to defeat Persia, now we know why Alexander Conquered so fast, LOL, he had Micheal and other Angels fighting on his side !! Anyway, Apollyon was placed over this region, and when the Church Age came, he was placed in the bottomless pit, thus in Rev. 17 he arises out of the bottomless pit. He is the Demon that kills the Two-witnesses in Rev. ch. 11.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

There are Millions if these Demons placed in strategic places all over the world. He was thus a BEAST in that he was placed in the Region by Satan. But if you notice, in Rev. 17 the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS because he is UNDER Satan in the Spirit world.

1. Rev. 12 is the Red Dragon = Satan and he has 7 CROWNS.

2. Rev. 13 is the Little Horn/Anti-Christ/Beast and h has 10 CROWNS because he is over the 10 Kings, this he has CROWNS !!

3. Rev. 17 is Scarlet Colored Beast, he is the Beast that WAS....IS NOT (in the pit)......YET IS. He will be released at the 1st Woe. He has NO CROWNS.

All three are a part of the Figurative Seven Headed Beast. So there is not 8th Physical Kingdom on earth brother, the 8th King is a spiritual Demonic Being named Apollyon.

There is no MYSTERY BABYLON, Musterion means Secret by Gods silence. In Rev. 17: 7 God via an Angel stated "I will tell thee the Mystery of the Harlot (Woman) and the Beast she rides". Then n verses 8-18 we are told the Mystery, hence its no longer a Mystery.

dfw69 said:

City States?...not sure of ......but just as in the days of lot and Sodom Gomorrah were destroyed I believe that also will take place in the future and gods people will be called out of the cities as lot was ..by angels warnings them to flee the cities

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Point being, Rev. 16:19 is the Nations who attack Israel and God being DESTROYED by Jesus who lands on Mt. Zion at the 7th Vial. We know there is an Earthquake that splits Jerusalem at that point in time. Then Jesus wipes out the Wicked. Thus Babylon the Great comes into REMEMBRANCE because God sees Wickedness as Babylon the Great. In other words, Babylon is a METAPHOR used by God to represent ALL WICKEDNESS on earth, its not an actual city.

Rev. 18 is the WHOLE WORLD being rained upon with the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. Those God calls out of Babylon are the Jews, he calls them out of Babylon (Wicked World) lest they receive of her Plagues. God thus protects Israel in Petra for 1260 days. Then the Plagues will destroy the worlds COMMERCE/ECONOMY. That is what Plagues do, 1.5 to 2 Billion people die at the hands of the Anti-Christ/Beast. Then you have all the grass burning, 1/3 of the tress burn, 1/3 of the sea creatures all die, 1/3 of the sea turns to blood, 1/3 ships destroyed, 1/3 of the drinking waters are poisoned. Then all the waters are later poisoned, Demons in the 1st Woe hurt and maim for 5 months, an Angelic Army in the 2nd Woe kill 1,5 Billion some odd Wicked people, this that is 3.5 to 4 billion people on earth who die.........OF COURSE THE COMMERCE IS DESTROYED !!

Also, when it say Babylon has become an HABITATION OF DEVILS, well yea, Satan and his Demons have been cast down to earth and Apollyon and his Demonic Hordes have been released from the Bottomless Pit.

Babylon = The World under Satan's Rule........Jesus is coming to TAKE BACK THE DEED !! Amen.

dfw69 said:

when you see the rise of the city of Babylon in the land of shinar and see her in her sublime state.you will change your mind. ..she doesn't have a place to rest yet but she will when the temple is prepared for her as zech states ...

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As I showed you in the other post via scriptures, Babylon will never be INHABITED AGAIN brother. You are taking a past prophetic uttering meant for THAT TIME, and applying it to the end times. God states that when Babylon falls completely, she will never be inhabited again, and God cant lie.

dfw69 said:

No I understand you completely bro...yes I agree they are 2 entities ...the harlot the mother is a false religion who will yet again fornicate with the 10 Kings of the earth ...as she has done in the past ... But she will have a location on earth in the future ...a temple in the land of shinar known as Babylon....

Babylon the temple and city is one thing ....the harlot the mother of prostitutes is another ....and this mother of harlots will reside in the temple in the land of shinar.

And she will fornicate yet again from the land of shinar to attack the saints and martyrs of Jesus ....

That seems to me what is taking place in scriptures.......blessings to you bro

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My point above, if the Prophecy you cite above is true about the END TIMES then that makes God a liar, and that can not be. Thus the Prophecy you cited was an OLD PROPHECY, after Babylon had FALLEN, but whilst they let LIVED.........SEE BELOW: VERSE 12 Mainly..........

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

This means that once these BEASTS lost their Dominion, they yet LIVED ON. Greece and Rome are still around, Persia is Iran, and Babylon was where Alexander the Great was living when he died. Thus Babylon was YET AROUND and the Prophecy you cited was about THAT TIME, not the End Times brother. Babylon will never be Inhabited again, thus saith the Lord God.

God Bless.

tranquil said:

Revelation 12 covers 7 years because after the woman gives birth she is ceremonially unclean for 7 days (Leviticus 12:2) (then is purified). The woman 'gave birth' on Sept 23, 2017 with the star sign of Revelation 12:1. The beast from the sea's 42 months are the 2nd half of this 7 year set (2 sets of 1260 days). The woman is in the wilderness for this same time-frame of the 2nd half of these 7 years. (March 6, 2021 through Aug 17, 2024)

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The Woman is Israel..........the Sep. 23 2017, SUPPOSED EVENT, was of Astrology, not of God.

Douggg said:

If that were true, then why is there 1260 days in Revelation 12 before the war in the second heaven?

And after the war in the second heaven, Satan is cast down to earth, having a time, times, half time left.

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Israel gives birth to Jesus whom the Dragon/Satan tries to kill, but he grows up, becomes the Sacrificial Lamb then ascends to sit at the Right Hand of the Father.

Rev. 12:1 Because you don't get or grasp the was they wrote 200-2500 years ago, 2000 in this instance. Allow me to demonstrate where you conflate the issue at. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The Dragon (Satan), chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness where she resides for 1260 days, but the Dragon is the one that chases her into the Wilderness.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The ABOVE VERSE finishes off verses 1-5, it just states the facts and gives the full details of what has happened (Rev. 12:1-5) and then what will happen in VERSE 6. Then the explanation comes BELOW: Where we see Satan cast out of Heave in verse 7, 8 and 9 along with his rebel angels (demons).

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

BELOW: An Angel announces that Satan has been cast out of Heaven, thus Salvation is nigh to coming, the accuser of the brethren has been cast down to earth.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Here the Angel is speaking about ALL of the Church Age Saints, and how we overcame Satan, via our testimonies of the blood Jesus Christ, and how many laid down their lives for Christ. The Heavens rejoiced, but to those on earth Woe, Satan's wrath is about t come upon you.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The BELOW VERSES Proves that Satan was Cast Down at the MIDWAY POINT: He chases the Woman Israel INTO THE WILDERNESS where God protects her for 1260 days. Thus he is cast out at the Midway point of the 70th week. So he is CAST DOWN to earth, and then chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness, so Satan is cast down at the 1260.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

God in verse 17 PROTECTS Israel but the REMNANT CHURCH is not protected. Those are Gentiles who repented after the Rapture.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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So your question seemed to be how can Satan be cast down at the after 1260 days and there still be 1260 days (time, times and half time) still left.

Well, the Rapture starts the 70th Week......Satan still has access to Heaven.......in the Middle of the week (1260) Satan is CAST DOWN........The Beast Arises to Power by Conquering Jerusalem....... .....Satan Chases the Woman into the Wilderness via the Beast.....the Beast rules for 42 Months...

So Satan is cast down to earth in the Middle of the Week. That means he is cast down 1260 days into the 70th Week. That means he will be on earth foe 1260 days, the 42 Months that the Beast rules over mankind. Then when the Beast is defeated at the 7th Vial, he is cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

The time-line is pretty simple brother.

Revealing Times said:

The Woman is Israel..........the Sep. 23 2017, SUPPOSED EVENT, was of Astrology, not of God.

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Signs in the heavens are not astrology. Luke 21:25

tranquil said:

Signs in the heavens are not astrology. Luke 21:25

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What you are speaking about IS ASTROLOGY. In other words Astrology wouldn't be possible with your "THEORY".

Revealing Times said:

The Dragon (Satan), chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness where she resides for 1260 days, but the Dragon is the one that chases her into the Wilderness.

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The text doesn't say Satan chases the woman into the wilderness.

Revealing Times said:

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The ABOVE VERSE finishes off verses 1-5, it just states the facts and gives the full details of what has happened (Rev. 12:1-5) and then what will happen in VERSE 6. Then the explanation comes BELOW: Where we see Satan cast out of Heave in verse 7, 8 and 9 along with his rebel angels (demons).

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wait a minute. There is a 2000 year gap between Jesus being caught up to God's throne and the 1260 days. Verse 6 is not "finishing off" verses 1-5.

Revealing Times said:

and then what will happen in VERSE 6. Then the explanation comes BELOW: Where we see Satan cast out of Heave in verse 7, 8 and 9 along with his rebel angels (demons).

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Wait a minute. In verse 6, they feed her for 1260 days. Who is feeding her? And then after FEEDING her for 1260 days there is the war in the second heaven. She is not being "chased" by the dragon in the text of verse 6.

Revealing Times said:

The BELOW VERSES Proves that Satan was Cast Down at the MIDWAY POINT: He chases the Woman Israel INTO THE WILDERNESS where God protects her for 1260 days. Thus he is cast out at the Midway point of the 70th week. So he is CAST DOWN to earth, and then chases the Woman (Israel) into the Wilderness, so Satan is cast down at the 1260.

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It is not in the text that Satan is chasing the woman in verse 6. That is something you are reasoning in. But take away what you are reasoning in - and then the rest of the chapter is not an explanation to it.

Why doesn't it say 1260 days in Revelation 12:14?

tranquil said:

Revelation 11 only covers 1260 days, not 7 years. If the 2 witnesses are symbolic, it makes sense why it says both 42 months & 1260 days: The beast that is coming up from the abyss starts the war with the symbolic witnesses after 42 Bible/ lunar months (~ 1240 days) (allowing people to celebrate on Earth Day, 2025) and is concluded 20 days later on the 1260th day (20ish day war)

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The two witnesses testify for 1260 days, not 7 years, I agree. But the 42 months follow the two witnesses testimony - which the 1260 and the 42 months - total to the seven years.

Revealing Times said:

Well, the Rapture starts the 70th Week......Satan still has access to Heaven.......in the Middle of the week (1260) Satan is CAST DOWN........The Beast Arises to Power by Conquering Jerusalem....... .....Satan Chases the Woman into the Wilderness via the Beast.....the Beast rules for 42 Months.

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Satan and his angels are cast down from heaven. It is not the third heaven, it is the second heaven - the cosmos.

Revealing Times said:

Point being, Rev. 16:19 is the Nations who attack Israel and God being DESTROYED by Jesus who lands on Mt. Zion at the 7th Vial. We know there is an Earthquake that splits Jerusalem at that point in time. Then Jesus wipes out the Wicked. Thus Babylon the Great comes into REMEMBRANCE because God sees Wickedness as Babylon the Great. In other words, Babylon is a METAPHOR used by God to represent ALL WICKEDNESS on earth, its not an actual city.

Rev. 18 is the WHOLE WORLD being rained upon with the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. Those God calls out of Babylon are the Jews, he calls them out of Babylon (Wicked World) lest they receive of her Plagues. God thus protects Israel in Petra for 1260 days. Then the Plagues will destroy the worlds COMMERCE/ECONOMY. That is what Plagues do, 1.5 to 2 Billion people die at the hands of the Anti-Christ/Beast. Then you have all the grass burning, 1/3 of the tress burn, 1/3 of the sea creatures all die, 1/3 of the sea turns to blood, 1/3 ships destroyed, 1/3 of the drinking waters are poisoned. Then all the waters are later poisoned, Demons in the 1st Woe hurt and maim for 5 months, an Angelic Army in the 2nd Woe kill 1,5 Billion some odd Wicked people, this that is 3.5 to 4 billion people on earth who die.........OF COURSE THE COMMERCE IS DESTROYED !!

Also, when it say Babylon has become an HABITATION OF DEVILS, well yea, Satan and his Demons have been cast down to earth and Apollyon and his Demonic Hordes have been released from the Bottomless Pit.

Babylon = The World under Satan's Rule........Jesus is coming to TAKE BACK THE DEED !! Amen.



As I showed you in the other post via scriptures, Babylon will never be INHABITED AGAIN brother. You are taking a past prophetic uttering meant for THAT TIME, and applying it to the end times. God states that when Babylon falls completely, she will never be inhabited again, and God cant lie.



My point above, if the Prophecy you cite above is true about the END TIMES then that makes God a liar, and that can not be. Thus the Prophecy you cited was an OLD PROPHECY, after Babylon had FALLEN, but whilst they let LIVED.........SEE BELOW: VERSE 12 Mainly..........

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

This means that once these BEASTS lost their Dominion, they yet LIVED ON. Greece and Rome are still around, Persia is Iran, and Babylon was where Alexander the Great was living when he died. Thus Babylon was YET AROUND and the Prophecy you cited was about THAT TIME, not the End Times brother. Babylon will never be Inhabited again, thus saith the Lord God.

God Bless.

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I brlieve that babylon will rise again and one day she will be judge then the she will never rise again...zech 5:5


You believe the prophecies concerning her are fulfilled ...its clearly not bro

I believe its yet to be fulfilled .....

But will see ...

Douggg said:

The text doesn't say Satan chases the woman into the wilderness.

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WHAT ? ~~ !! Lets try one more time here brother.

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (1260 DAYS), from the face of the serpent.

The ABOVE is very obvious brother, when Satan s cast out of Heaven, ( I don't care if its the 1st Heaven, 2nd Heaven, 3rd Heaven or 15th Heaven, that's a MOOT POINT ) he them persecutes or comes after the Woman (Israel) and God helps her ESCAPE TO THE WILDERNESS (Petra), it cant get any clearer that that brother.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman (The Beasts ARMY = Flood), that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth (as with Egypt, the wall of FIRE and the Red Sea helped Israel), and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God (Gentile Christians we REPENT after the Rapture who become MARTYRS), and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So the Beast who the Dragon gave power unto comes after the Woman (Israel) using his Army, somehow the EARTH Helps the Woman (Israel) and swallows his Army, the Dragon then becomes angry and goes after the Gentile Christian REMNANT OF HER SEED....Jesus was her seed.

So yes, the Dragon, being over the Beast, chases the Woman (Israel) into the WILDERNESS !!

Douggg said:

wait a minute. There is a 2000 year gap between Jesus being caught up to God's throne and the 1260 days. Verse 6 is not "finishing off" verses 1-5.

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Well didn't Jesus ascend 2000 years ago ? and isn't the 1260 days of the Beast a Revelation or FUTURE EVENT ? If you answered yes to both questions, as you should, you can answer your own question here. I don't even get the point.

Verse 6 does finish off verse 1-5 because it tells the End of the story, that the Woman (Israel) us then fed for 1260 days. Its not MY FAULT people can't understand how they wrote back then, nor is it their fault, not is it the TRANSLATORS Fault, its up to us to figure it out.

WATCH THE REPETITION....Just like with Genesis chapters 1 & 2.

The story is told about the Woman, Dragon and Male Child Jesus, then the PROPHECY chapter 12 is about is thrust upon us to finish out the story in a minuscule way, then the DETAILS ARE ADDED.

Rev. 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The story was told in SHORT FORM, now watch how details were ADDED but the same things are repeated, which give us the ONLY CLUES we need to understand it !!

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

You see how its just REPEATED ? Verse 6 finished the STORY in short form. Then John add in DETAILS of the Story via the End Times...........he added in the DETAILS of the story of 2000 years ago to starts with, then in ONE VERSE (Verse 6) he finished the story.

Then in verses 7-17 he gave the Prophetic uttering's.

In verse 6 Israel is FED for 1260 Days.........in verse 14 the Woman (Israel) is NOURISHED for a Time, times and a half time (1260 days). And oh, by the way, this proves 100 percent that a TIME, TIMES and a HALF TIME = a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED and THREE SCORE or 1260 Days !!

You can't dodge that one anymore Brother !!

Douggg said:

Wait a minute. In verse 6, they feed her for 1260 days. Who is feeding her? And then after FEEDING her for 1260 days there is the war in the second heaven. She is not being "chased" by the dragon in the text of verse 6.

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Wrong, as I explained above, this is why you are confused brother. You are going to have to learn to read the 2000 year old texts better. They are studies on the old ways of writings, its up to us to figure it out.

Verse 1-6 is THE STORY............Then verses 7-17 ad DETAILS to the End Time Prophecy.

She not going to get CHASED into the Wilderness twice.

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It is not in the text that Satan is chasing the woman in verse 6. That is something you are reasoning in. But take away what you are reasoning in - and then the rest of the chapter is not an explanation to it.

Why doesn't it say 1260 days in Revelation 12:14?

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The TEXTS BELOW verse 6 fills in all the details for you. John just told you what a Time, times and a half time meant via the thousand two hundred and threescore days mention in VERSE 6, thus he uses Daniel's scripture, to left everyone know what he is referring us unto, the Dan. 8 passage, that is why he USED BOTH.........He wants everyone to know what Scriptutes hes speaking about in the Old Testament, and how many days a Time, times and half time means (1260) So he uses both. I think that was very intelligent myself, now people like you can understand that a Time, times and a half time means 1260 days....

Douggg said:

The two witnesses testify for 1260 days, not 7 years, I agree. But the 42 months follow the two witnesses testimony - which the 1260 and the 42 months - total to the seven years.

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The 42 Months follows 75 Days of testimony, therefore the Two-witnesses die 75 days before the Beast dies. Simple math brother.

Douggg said:

Satan and his angels are cast down from heaven. It is not the third heaven, it is the second heaven - the cosmos.

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That's not really a relevant point as per to, THE TIMING !!

God Bless brother.

dfw69 said:

I brlieve that babylon will rise again and one day she will be judge then the she will never rise again...zech 5:5


You believe the prophecies concerning her are fulfilled ...its clearly not bro

I believe its yet to be fulfilled .....

But will see ...

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Babylon will never arise again as per the Scriptures. What can I say. I think you either confuse what Zec. 5 is speaking about or you confuse its METAPHOR for the End Times. Its says the WHOLE EARTH twice in the passage you cited. The facts are Babylon will never arise again, per both Jeremiah and Isaiah, TWO MAJOR PROPHETS.

Babylon, just as Rev. 16:19 says is seen by God as ALL THE NATIONS of the whole World.

Revealing Times said:

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (1260 DAYS), from the face of the serpent.

The ABOVE is very obvious brother, when Satan s cast out of Heaven, ( I don't care if its the 1st Heaven, 2nd Heaven, 3rd Heaven or 15th Heaven, that's a MOOT POINT ) he them persecutes or comes after the Woman (Israel) and God helps her ESCAPE TO THE WILDERNESS (Petra), it cant get any clearer that that brother.

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You are quoting verses of after Satan being cast down to earth. Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days in the text is before Satan is cast down to earth. In the text.

In the text, Satan does not "chase" the woman before he is cast down from the second heaven. Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days in the text is before the war in the second heaven.

Revealing Times said:

The story is told about the Woman, Dragon and Male Child Jesus, then the PROPHECY chapter 12 is about is thrust upon us to finish out the story in a minuscule way, then the DETAILS ARE ADDED.

Rev. 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The story was told in SHORT FORM, now watch how details were ADDED but the same things are repeated, which give us the ONLY CLUES we need to understand it !!

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Now you are claiming it is a repeat with details added. Not so, a time, times, half time is not a more detailed version of 1260 days. 1260 days is a time expression right down to the day. A time, times, half time is more general.

Revealing Times said:

n verse 6 Israel is FED for 1260 Days.........in verse 14 the Woman (Israel) is NOURISHED for a Time, times and a half time (1260 days). And oh, by the way, this proves 100 percent that a TIME, TIMES and a HALF TIME = a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED and THREE SCORE or 1260 Days !!

You can't dodge that one anymore Brother !!

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ha! ha! You are the one dodging, and you try to turn it around to say I am dodging? The two witnesses feed the woman the Word of God for 1260 days. The two witnesses are killed, ascend, and are not around the second half of the 7 years. But the 144,000 are. And they are the ones feeding Israel the Word of God during the second half the time, times, half times.

You never did say why a time, times, half times is used in the Revelation 12:14 is used, instead of 1260 days if they are the exact equivalents.

Revealing Times said:

Babylon will never arise again as per the Scriptures. What can I say. I think you either confuse what Zec. 5 is speaking about or you confuse its METAPHOR for the End Times. Its says the WHOLE EARTH twice in the passage you cited. The facts are Babylon will never arise again, per both Jeremiah and Isaiah, TWO MAJOR PROPHETS.

Babylon, just as Rev. 16:19 says is seen by God as ALL THE NATIONS of the whole World.

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Will see...

Douggg said:

You are quoting verses of after Satan being cast down to earth. Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days in the text is before Satan is cast down to earth. In the text.

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No its not, you just don't understand the way its written. We get get a SYNOPSIS in verses 1-6, then we get the actual Prophetic Uttering in verses 7-17.

Douggg said:

In the text, Satan does not "chase" the woman before he is cast down from the second heaven. Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days in the text is before the war in the second heaven.

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It just stuns me that you can't see the obvious.

Douggg said:

Now you are claiming it is a repeat with details added. Not so, a time, times, half time is not a more detailed version of 1260 days. 1260 days is a time expression right down to the day. A time, times, half time is more general.

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I don't "CLAIM" anything, I am just telling you the FACTS. No wonder your Eschatology timing is all over the place brother. This is a simple prophecy, not a complex one.

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ha! ha! You are the one dodging, and you try to turn it around to say I am dodging? The two witnesses feed the woman the Word of God for 1260 days. The two witnesses are killed, ascend, and are not around the second half of the 7 years. But the 144,000 are. And they are the ones feeding Israel the Word of God during the second half the time, times, half times.

You never did say why a time, times, half times is used in the Revelation 12:14 is used, instead of 1260 days if they are the exact equivalents.

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They Israelis being fed are being fed by God an His Angels in Petra, the Two-witnesses will be in Jerusalem. The Two-witnesses show up at day 1185.........they die at day 2445, just 75 days before the Second Coming. 2445 - 1185 = 1260....BOOM.

The 144,000 are ALL Israel who flee (at least 2 Million people) to Petra. Its not 144,000 people. At the Two-witnesses are the ones that got them to REPENT......GEEEZE.

And I most certainly told you why, go read it again, that is what you are dodging. Must must speed read everything !!