It seems there are many Christians who think all of the Israelites were Jewish.
I wonder why that is...? Jews were only a small subset.
Who Is A Jew In The Bible?
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It seems there are many Christians who think all of the Israelites were Jewish.
I wonder why that is...? Jews were only a small subset.
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You can be called a Jew if you practice Judaism, if you are of the tribe of Judah, or the house of Judah which is more than the one tribe of Judah, or if you simply live in the land of Judea.
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Who cares the Jews are no longer God's chosen people, the Church is now God's Chosen people.
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The Jews were meant to lead the nation of Israel and have it's capitol, known as the Holy City of Jerusalem, or at least the earthly representation of it, and was where the temple and the Ark were meant to be for the entire nation of Israel, led by Judah... That was the kingship line (Judah)... (Genesis 49:10)... The lion of the tribe of Judah (Christ)... Shiloh, until peace comes... Under him shall be the obedience of all the kingdoms be...
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Yes, Judah is the rightful leader of Israel. But they rejected Judah, and turned to idol worship, and chose their own priests, who were not Levites. So, they weren't Jews by religion, any more than they were by lineage. I still don't see why people call them Jews.
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Jew in his heart it says... No longer dependent upon linage or anything like it/that at all... But the heart...
You do have to look at the context of scriptures where it talks about Jews or the Jews, in order to know what Jews it is talking about, cause not in all instances it is referring to this we are talking about here...
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God says that the house of Judah was even more of a harlot than Israel was so all of them were a disaster hence the new covenant and new standards for "the people of God".
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There might not be a race of Jews, but more maybe a "class" of Jews, those who are in their heart...?
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And it never talks about the other tribes as Jews, but most Christians will argue that they are/were Jews.
That's what I don't get, and what I want to understand... what is the basis of such a rationale, for which I can find no Biblical support?
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That doesn't answer the question, but raises another.
God doesn't change. His precepts do not change. And not one letter of the law shall change until all is accomplished.
If the heart can qualify one to become adopted into the family of God, what becomes of the natural born members? Are you implying that they are disowned, making the distinction between Judah and Israel moot?
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So... what is it about the heart of distant cousins who worship idols instead of the God of their fathers, that causes Christians to arbitrarily assign such an identity to them?
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I appreciate that many seem sincere in trying to answer the question to my satisfaction, but it seems the answer I am getting is that many Christians have a tendency to retro-fit their New Testament doctrines into the Old Testament.
While it is true that there is a new Covenant, the Old Covenant still stands. While the New Testament verses augment, enhance, and clarify Old Testament precepts, it is a mistake to develop doctrine from New Testament verses and apply those doctrines to those who died before there was a New Covenant or a New Testament. Those were not the parameters of the world in which they existed.
Calling people Jews who died before Judah was even born (the origin of the name) still makes no sense at all to me. That's like calling Joseph an American.
While it is true that there is a new Covenant, the Old Covenant still stands. While the New Testament verses augment, enhance, and clarify Old Testament precepts, it is a mistake to develop doctrine from New Testament verses and apply those doctrines to those who died before there was a New Covenant or a New Testament. Those were not the parameters of the world in which they existed.
Calling people Jews who died before Judah was even born (the origin of the name) still makes no sense at all to me. That's like calling Joseph an American.
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Who is a Jew in the bible? The bible answers the question for us.
Romans 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
It's probably being used in the sense of having a covenant with God, rather than a descendant from Judah.
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Jew = Israel = all decendants of Abraham.
Exodus 32:13
Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, ‘I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.’”
Exodus 32:13
Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, ‘I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.’”
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Who is fake Jew then ?
Revelation 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
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This is the umpteenth thread on Jewish identity. Why does it matter to Christians at all?
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First all things were accomplished and thus the law changed. That happened at the cross. Second, Paul tells us those who reject Christ are removed from the tree which severs the relationship between a man and God ie: removed from being Israel.
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