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My Christian husband just started drinking...

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I personally feel this woman has a right to be concerned about her husband's drinking. Why does she need to wait for it to be a problem (and it sounds like it's going to be) before she tries to find help? If someone needs a drink in order to "relax" then it's already become a crutch and not something someone does once in a while to celebrate an event or some other special thing. He's already become defensive and agitated at the thought of not having alcohol...how much farther does it need to go before it really gets out of hand?

It's not like he was regularly drinking before they got married so that she would have some idea of what she was getting into, but now she's already being called controlling and people acting like *she* has the problem because of being rightfully concerned by behavior that is not normal for her husband.

I think there will be differences in how men and women respond to this. I'm going to try and stay neutral on this and suggest that maybe they should drink wine together? Like in italy?

...That way they can see each other through this experience... That's how relationships last -by doing things as a couple.
 
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A little background... My husband and I have been married for 13 years with two kids. We're in our early 30s, my husband is a professional and I am a stay at home Mom. He is an elder in our church. (we both understand the severity of this position)

When we met in our late teens (I was a senior in high school, he a sophomore in college) we were both Christians and averse to alcohol. I've never even been tempted and he had one hard-to-remember night in high school (that was the only time he ever drank and he swore it off). It was never a thing and it never has been. Until recently. For whatever reason, in the last 6 months or so he has begun to take to wine or champagne - nothing "hard" or beer... But we've gone on a few vacations and he has a glass on the plane, at the hotel, out to dinner, whatever. He's on vacation right now with our 10 year old son and he's sending pictures and in the pictures is his wine glass (with wine in it).

He's very adamant about it being only one glass, he is not drunk, not even buzzed. But I can't shake it.

Now... I have made my position very clear on this - and many times. It makes me uncomfortable and I do not like it. I confessed to him that I cannot give him any "good" reasoning other than I really hate it. In my mind, that should be enough. I'm his wife and he should respect me. But he's really firing back at me - really fighting it. And I don't understand why. He says it "relaxes" him. But I'm concerned... why does he need relaxing? What if, while in this state of relaxation, he sins. Is this a stumbling block?

We've dealt with things in the past and it just drags up all of my old feelings of... I can't explain it... Hate. Fear. Loss. Abandonment. But why is he fighting me so much on something that, as he says, "doesn't mean anything". If it doesn't mean anything, why does it mean so much?

He's a very logical man, and he wants logic. All I can give him is that it makes me uncomfortable. So he fires back with things to get back at me. (ie: "I'm going to make a long list of things that make me uncomfortable")

I'm so sad. My heart is so heavy over this. I wish it didn't matter so much to me... but I feel God is pushing him through me. It matters to me because it matters to God. Does that make sense?

It just feels good to talk about this. Alcohol is so prevalent in our society... Even my Christian friends drink. I feel like I can't talk to anyone about this.

Have you asked him why he has started drinking? Instead of trying to make him do what you want, get to the bottom of that question. You have to let go of your hostility though if you really want the answer. Knowing why he started drinking after all of this time is more important than him deciding to have a drink.
 
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If your spouse came to you and say you should stop doing something because it made them uncomfortable, and you didn't feel it was wrong, it was causing no harm, etc, would you just stop doing it?
Well, yeah, I probably would. If after discussing it I couldn't reduce her discomfort, why not stop doing it? Mind you, that would be my reaction because my wife doesn't often say things like that, and I know she's not going to casually make unreasonable demands of me.
 
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I think he's becoming more agitated and defensive because she's trying to control him and tell him he can't do something with no good reason at all. She already said she can't defend her viewpoint. If your spouse came to you and say you should stop doing something because it made them uncomfortable, and you didn't feel it was wrong, it was causing no harm, etc, would you just stop doing it? I don't think most people would. Not without good reason.

You can't just assume he'll become addicted.

One good reason is that it's a very addictive substance that has been the cause of a great deal of harm throughout history, not to mention all the people killed by drunk drivers. It's basically the same thing as if he started using any other drug in order to "relax". It's not like he took up knitting or birdwatching. Obviously, she can't make him stop if he refuses to stop, but I think that if you are married and one of the spouses wants to take up a dangerous activity, then both spouses should be involved in that decision. Remember, if you are married you aren't making decisions only for yourself.
 
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But again, having a single drink isn't a dangerous activity. It's perfectly fine. Jesus was a drinker too. Making the blatant assumption that he's just going to become an addict isn't fair to him.
 
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A little background... My husband and I have been married for 13 years with two kids. We're in our early 30s, my husband is a professional and I am a stay at home Mom. He is an elder in our church. (we both understand the severity of this position)

When we met in our late teens (I was a senior in high school, he a sophomore in college) we were both Christians and averse to alcohol. I've never even been tempted and he had one hard-to-remember night in high school (that was the only time he ever drank and he swore it off). It was never a thing and it never has been. Until recently. For whatever reason, in the last 6 months or so he has begun to take to wine or champagne - nothing "hard" or beer... But we've gone on a few vacations and he has a glass on the plane, at the hotel, out to dinner, whatever. He's on vacation right now with our 10 year old son and he's sending pictures and in the pictures is his wine glass (with wine in it).

He's very adamant about it being only one glass, he is not drunk, not even buzzed. But I can't shake it.

Now... I have made my position very clear on this - and many times. It makes me uncomfortable and I do not like it. I confessed to him that I cannot give him any "good" reasoning other than I really hate it. In my mind, that should be enough. I'm his wife and he should respect me. But he's really firing back at me - really fighting it. And I don't understand why. He says it "relaxes" him. But I'm concerned... why does he need relaxing? What if, while in this state of relaxation, he sins. Is this a stumbling block?

We've dealt with things in the past and it just drags up all of my old feelings of... I can't explain it... Hate. Fear. Loss. Abandonment. But why is he fighting me so much on something that, as he says, "doesn't mean anything". If it doesn't mean anything, why does it mean so much?

He's a very logical man, and he wants logic. All I can give him is that it makes me uncomfortable. So he fires back with things to get back at me. (ie: "I'm going to make a long list of things that make me uncomfortable")

I'm so sad. My heart is so heavy over this. I wish it didn't matter so much to me... but I feel God is pushing him through me. It matters to me because it matters to God. Does that make sense?

It just feels good to talk about this. Alcohol is so prevalent in our society... Even my Christian friends drink. I feel like I can't talk to anyone about this.

I used to drink socially a glass of wine maybe like once a year or so. But when my Christian fiancé
asked me to stop, at first, I was angry because I didn't want anyone controlling my life. But then I took a step back and thought to myself. Okay Jay, what is more important? The drink or the girl of my dreams? I chose my girl (Who is now my wife). So I made a promise that I would not drink alcohol (unless it was a dire medical emergency to numb pain or something). Granted, I did not struggle with alcohol, so it was not hard choice for me to make (Even though it is hard for others because they have become addicted to it).

In my putting away of alcohol, I have come to do deep studies on it and have come to the conclusion that it is a mild poison and a highly addictive drug that can control a person's life. I would give him the facts about alcohol.

A study in the UK says that even moderate drinking can cause brain damage.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...inking-can-damage-the-brain-claim-researchers

In 2011, 2.5 million people died from alcohol related reasons.

https://www.ncadd.org/blogs/in-the-news/2-5-million-alcohol-related-deaths-worldwide-annually

The Bible warns against strong intoxicating beverages:

Wine is a mocker (Proverbs 20:1). Strong drink is raging (Proverbs 20:1). Whoever is deceived by it is not wise (Proverbs 20:1). Wine bites like a serpent and stings like an adder (Proverbs 23:32). Do not look upon wine when it is red in the cup and when it moves itself aright (Proverbs 23:31). You have not eaten bread, neither have you drunk wine or strong drink: that you might know that I am the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 29:6). Who has woe? who has sorrow? who has contentions? who has babbling? who has wounds without cause? who has redness of eyes? (Proverbs 23:29). They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. (Proverbs 23:30).

"What is Wrong with a Friendly Glass of Beer?"

Author Unknown

I was speaking to a teenager at a high school conference and one fellow came up to me and said, "Now, Doc, I don't drink, and I don't intend to drink, but actually, what is wrong with a friendly glass of beer?"

I said, "Do you know anything about the chemistry of alcohol?"

"No," he said, "I don't."

I said, "Alcohol is one of the greatest blessing God ever gave us."

"Is it? I thought it was just a curse," he said.

"No, it is a great blessing. The two reagents on a chemist's reagents rack which he uses as solvents are alcohol and water. Alcohol dehydrates and it dissolves. It is a marvelous thing. The photographic industry, tinctures, dyes, medicines, all kinds of things make use of alcohol.

There are about 19 kinds of commercial alcohol which brilliant chemists have developed, and we produce them by the tons. The kind of alcohol you drink is one type (ethyl), and the kind you put in your radiator is another kind (methyl). But all alcohols are poisons. In the body, they are going to cause ill effects. The reason is that they dehydrate and they dissolve.

Have you got a little imagination? Let us do a little chemical experiment here in your imagination. Let us take 16 bottles. In the first eight let us put alcohol and in the last eight let us put water. Over here we will see that alcohol dissolves, and here that it hardens.

Take, for example, some kind of fat and put it on water. It will just float around. What if we put fat in alcohol? Shake it up and it will dissolve. Take some resin, put it in alcohol, shake it up and it will dissolve. It goes to the bottom of water and stays. What happens to camphor? It floats on the water. Put it in alcohol and it will dissolve. We have fat, resin, and camphor. They will dissolve in alcohol. Put a green leaf in alcohol and it will take the color out. Now put these things in water and nothing happens. Now shift over here. Put a little bit of bread in alcohol. What will happen? It will get hard. Put a piece of meat in alcohol. What will happen? It will get hard, it dehydrates, it takes the water out of the meat.

Now this dehydrating and dissolving are the characteristics of alcohol which make it a great blessing. But, friends, when it goes down your gullet, it does not know if it is inside or outside. As soon as it gets in there it begins to work in the same way. It is not affected by gastric juices. It is absorbed through the walls of the stomach into the bloodstream and all your nerves and your brain are bathed with it. Every nerve has fatty substance called lipoid and the moment alcohol touches it, what happens? The alcohol dissolves it. When you dissolve the covering and insulation of the nerves, it is just like a telephone exchange with the insulation off. You do not get the message through to the proper source. This is why men stagger. They call for their right leg to act and the left leg gets the message. When alcohol goes into the heart of the nerves, that happens to be like the white of an egg. Alcohol cooks it. Alcohol is a great harm to the human body and mind because of these two properties of dissolving and dehydrating. Furthermore, alcohol is a narcotic, a deterrent of normal body functions. It is poison which adversely affects our judgment and self-control. It is, we believe, a harm to our offspring because it poisons the life-giving cells."

We talked for half an hour; and finally the teenager said, "Sir, that's the first time I have ever had an intelligent answer as to why I shouldn't drink beer. Thank God you told us."

....

"Alcohol is a very effective dissolving agent. It dissolves families, marriages, friendships, jobs, bank accounts, and neurons, but never problems."

Author Unknown.
 
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A little background... My husband and I have been married for 13 years with two kids. We're in our early 30s, my husband is a professional and I am a stay at home Mom. He is an elder in our church. (we both understand the severity of this position)

When we met in our late teens (I was a senior in high school, he a sophomore in college) we were both Christians and averse to alcohol. I've never even been tempted and he had one hard-to-remember night in high school (that was the only time he ever drank and he swore it off). It was never a thing and it never has been. Until recently. For whatever reason, in the last 6 months or so he has begun to take to wine or champagne - nothing "hard" or beer... But we've gone on a few vacations and he has a glass on the plane, at the hotel, out to dinner, whatever. He's on vacation right now with our 10 year old son and he's sending pictures and in the pictures is his wine glass (with wine in it).

He's very adamant about it being only one glass, he is not drunk, not even buzzed. But I can't shake it.

Now... I have made my position very clear on this - and many times. It makes me uncomfortable and I do not like it. I confessed to him that I cannot give him any "good" reasoning other than I really hate it. In my mind, that should be enough. I'm his wife and he should respect me. But he's really firing back at me - really fighting it. And I don't understand why. He says it "relaxes" him. But I'm concerned... why does he need relaxing? What if, while in this state of relaxation, he sins. Is this a stumbling block?

We've dealt with things in the past and it just drags up all of my old feelings of... I can't explain it... Hate. Fear. Loss. Abandonment. But why is he fighting me so much on something that, as he says, "doesn't mean anything". If it doesn't mean anything, why does it mean so much?

He's a very logical man, and he wants logic. All I can give him is that it makes me uncomfortable. So he fires back with things to get back at me. (ie: "I'm going to make a long list of things that make me uncomfortable")

I'm so sad. My heart is so heavy over this. I wish it didn't matter so much to me... but I feel God is pushing him through me. It matters to me because it matters to God. Does that make sense?

It just feels good to talk about this. Alcohol is so prevalent in our society... Even my Christian friends drink. I feel like I can't talk to anyone about this.

If you are interested, here are some Biblical facts in Scripture, just in case he gives you the excuse that Jesus made alcoholic wine.

Six Biblical Reasons Why Jesus's Miracle Was Unfermented Wine (Fresh Grape Juice):

If Jesus made alcoholic wine He would have broken Scripture in a number of places and he would have encouraged future generations of alcoholics to have the green light that it is okay to drink (Whereby they would slip back into drinking themselves to death). Anyways, here are 6 reasons in the Bible that make it absolutely clear that Jesus could not have made intoxicating wine.

#1. Jesus's Pure Blood is likened to the Pure Wine that He made.
Jesus's blood washes away our sins. Scripture says the life of the flesh is in the blood. Jesus says He is the bread of life and that we are to eat of his flesh and blood. Jesus is life. However, alcohol is not a product of life but it is a picture or symbol of death because it is a byproduct of death and not life. This is why Christ made grape juice because it was a pure juice and it was worthy of reflecting his glory in Him being the perfect, sinless Son of God. "Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape."(Deuteronomy 32:14).

#2. Woe unto him that gives his neighbor strong drink.

"Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also," (Habakkuk 2:15). If Jesus gave strong drink to his fellow neighbors here, he would be under the woe of Habakkuk 2:15. This would not be a blessing for Jesus but it would be a curse if he were to disobey this part of Scripture.

#3. Jesus is a King (And wine is not for kings).
Jesus is a king and Jesus would not have ignored his own sage advice or wisdom within His Word that says "it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink" (Proverbs 31:4 KJV); And the very Scriptures themselves are a testimony of Jesus: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39 KJV). So if this verse is true, I want you explain how Proverbs 31:4 is a testimony of Jesus Christ.

#4. Warnings against Alcohol.
Wine is a mocker (Proverbs 20:1). Strong drink is raging (Proverbs 20:1). Whoever is deceived by it is not wise (Proverbs 20:1). Wine bites like a serpent and stings like an adder (Proverbs 23:32). Do not look upon wine when it is red in the cup and when it moves itself aright (Proverbs 23:31). You have not eaten bread, neither have you drunk wine or strong drink: that you might know that I am the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 29:6). Who has woe? who has sorrow? who has contentions? who has babbling? who has wounds without cause? who has redness of eyes? (Proverbs 23:29). They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. (Proverbs 23:30).

#5. If Jesus did get people drunk (It would be a sin) & They would no longer be Sober.
Jesus could not have made alcoholic wine because John chapter 2 says, that the people at the wedding were "well drunk" (John 2:10 KJV). This means that they had already had drank a good amount of wine already and would have been either tipsy or close to being tipsy (at the very least). Jesus creating more good wine (i.e. good wine supposedly meaning that it was stronger in alcoholic content) would have contributed to the intoxication of those at the wedding party. This means that if they were not sober before, Jesus creating even more stronger alcoholic wine would have definitely made them at least tipsy or with having a mind that was not sober. This is a direct violation of Scripture that commands Christians to be sober (1 Peter 1:13 KJV) (1 Peter 4:7 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:2 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:11 KJV) (Titus 1:8 KJV) (Titus 2:2 KJV) (Titus 2:4 KJV) (Titus 2:6 KJV) (Titus 2:12 KJV) (1 Thessalonians 5:6, 7, 8). For God's Word wants us to be sober minded for our adversary the devil, is a roaring lion, who walks about, seeking those whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8 KJV). So were they sober at the wedding or not? Also, Paul even warns that drunkenness is the type of sin that will cause someone to not inherit the Kingdom of God, too (Galatians 5:21).

#6. Christ set a good example by His miracle.
The public creation of alcoholic wine would also contradict Romans chapter 14 that tells us that you are not to do anything to make your brother to stumble. For verse 21 says, "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor anything whereby thy brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak" (Romans 14:21 KJV). For a public wedding of drinking and the writing down of that event is like a giant billboard sign declaring to Christians who have struggled with alcoholism and have put it away could then think that it is okay to drink again (when their conscience condemns it and or because they are horribly addicted to it). This would be the same thing as a Christian drinking in front of an alcoholic (knowing they are an alcoholic); For if a Christian were to do so, they could make this alcoholic stumble back into alcoholism again. Which would be evil. For Romans 14 says, "Let not then your good be evil spoken of" (Romans 14:16 KJV). Jesus knows there are alcoholics who would read John chapter 2. Such a stamp of approval on alcohol could easily send them back into alcoholism. This would be evil.

Conclusion:
Jesus did not create alcoholic wine as a part of His miracle in John 2; And nor did He even drink the Biblical wine that OT saints drank which was mixed with water and lower in alcoholic content. Jesus drank with his disciples of the fruit of the vine at the Last Supper. The fruit of the vine is what the Scriptures say He drank (Matthew 26:29). The fruit of the vine is grape juice! --- Not fermented intoxicating alcohol! That would be like calling an orange smoothie drink in being like the fruit of the orange!
 
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But again, having a single drink isn't a dangerous activity. It's perfectly fine. Jesus was a drinker too. Making the blatant assumption that he's just going to become an addict isn't fair to him.

Jesus also didn't have a wife and children to consider.
 
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Well, yeah, I probably would. If after discussing it I couldn't reduce her discomfort, why not stop doing it? Mind you, that would be my reaction because my wife doesn't often say things like that, and I know she's not going to casually make unreasonable demands of me.

Same here, but that's because my wife is pretty easy going about what I do.
At the same time, if she never let things go unless she got her way, I would be less likely to just give in. Sometimes people pick the darnedest things to take a stand over, but the stand isn't really about the particular thing. It's about feeling the need to assert oneself. In fact, people often pick the silliest things to make a stand. :D
 
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Jesus also didn't have a wife and children to consider.

Nah. You're right. He didn't have those kind of responsibilities. ;)

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Just having buried my husband of 28 years, after battling his alcoholism for over 40 years--I am on the side of the wife! He died of cirrhosis of the liver. couldn't see the problem, Just a couple of beers after a hard days work. He died in my arms. He was in the hospital for 2months before coming home to die. One week before He died he said---"all this because of a few beers??"Yah. Just because of a few beers.
 
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Yeah, leading a ministry, being Savior of the world, and taking care of the needs of thousands who flocked around Him wasn't as tough to him has being married. It just proves there's such a thing as responsible drinking, that's not sinful or wrong, that doesn't take away responsibility, that isn't guaranteed to make you an alcoholic. All the disciples, some married, sat around the table and drank. They had parties and discussions. It's been a part of the Christian culture since the beginning.

I'm just saying, as a man, it's not good to nag your husband into submission over something that's not going to hurt him. If he was starting to drink more and more, and exhibiting dangerous behavior, THEN is the right time to speak up. She told him how she feels, and should leave it at that.
 
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Just having buried my husband of 28 years, after battling his alcoholism for over 40 years--I am on the side of the wife! He died of cirrhosis of the liver. couldn't see the problem, Just a couple of beers after a hard days work. He died in my arms. He was in the hospital for 2months before coming home to die. One week before He died he said---"all this because of a few beers??"Yah. Just because of a few years.
I'm so sorry to hear of that :( :(
 
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Yeah, leading a ministry, being Savior of the world, and taking care of the needs of thousands who flocked around Him wasn't as tough to him has being married. It just proves there's such a thing as responsible drinking, that's not sinful or wrong, that doesn't take away responsibility, that isn't guaranteed to make you an alcoholic. All the disciples, some married, sat around the table and drank. They had parties and discussions. It's been a part of the Christian culture since the beginning.

I'm just saying, as a man, it's not good to nag your husband into submission over something that's not going to hurt him. If he was starting to drink more and more, and exhibiting dangerous behavior, THEN is the right time to speak up. She told him how she feels, and should leave it at that.

If a husband and wife are on the same page with their "responsible drinking" then that's all well and good, but it is irresponsible to start taking something that amounts to an addictive drug without the approval and consent of one's spouse. There is nothing anywhere in scripture that mentions Jesus or any of the disciples drinking alcohol in order to "relax" and there are some pretty good arguments that what they were drinking wasn't even fermented to begin with and so it would have been impossible for them to get drunk or misuse it in any way. If the husband has so much need to drink to the point where he is willing to make it into a dividing issue with his wife, then he already has a drinking problem.
 
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They didn't have clean water back in the day, so the safest thing for them was to drink wine, or mix water with wine. It was an important thing back then and definitely fermented. They accused Jesus of being a drunkard in Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:34.

I also don't believe you need the permission or consent of your spouse to do something. Him having a drink has nothing to do with his wife. He's allowed to have that one drink if he wants to. It's not illegal, he's not harming himself, and he's not being irresponsible with it. Millions of people drink responsibly. Billions even all over the world. 84% of Americans drink socially. Only 7% engaged in heavy alcohol use. It's ingrained in some cultures, like my Irish culture for example. Germans have a big beer drinking culture. So do the English and Scandinavians. French love their wine.

Sure, if you have concerns, make them known, but you don't need your spouse's permission and if he disagrees and wants a drink, which isn't hurting anything, he should be able to have one. If she wants to be that in control of him, it will lead to nothing but problems in their marriage.

if anything, he's the leader of their household, not her.
 
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"A little background... My husband and I have been married for 13 years with two kids. We're in our early 30s, my husband is a professional and I am a stay at home Mom. He is an elder in our church. (we both understand the severity of this position)

When we met in our late teens (I was a senior in high school, he a sophomore in college) we were both Christians and averse to alcohol. I've never even been tempted and he had one hard-to-remember night in high school (that was the only time he ever drank and he swore it off). It was never a thing and it never has been. Until recently. For whatever reason, in the last 6 months or so he has begun to take to wine or champagne - nothing "hard" or beer... But we've gone on a few vacations and he has a glass on the plane, at the hotel, out to dinner, whatever. He's on vacation right now with our 10 year old son and he's sending pictures and in the pictures is his wine glass (with wine in it).

He's very adamant about it being only one glass, he is not drunk, not even buzzed. But I can't shake it.

Now... I have made my position very clear on this - and many times. It makes me uncomfortable and I do not like it. I confessed to him that I cannot give him any "good" reasoning other than I really hate it. In my mind, that should be enough. I'm his wife and he should respect me. But he's really firing back at me - really fighting it. And I don't understand why. He says it "relaxes" him. But I'm concerned... why does he need relaxing? What if, while in this state of relaxation, he sins. Is this a stumbling block?

We've dealt with things in the past and it just drags up all of my old feelings of... I can't explain it... Hate. Fear. Loss. Abandonment. But why is he fighting me so much on something that, as he says, "doesn't mean anything". If it doesn't mean anything, why does it mean so much?

He's a very logical man, and he wants logic. All I can give him is that it makes me uncomfortable. So he fires back with things to get back at me. (ie: "I'm going to make a long list of things that make me uncomfortable")

I'm so sad. My heart is so heavy over this. I wish it didn't matter so much to me... but I feel God is pushing him through me. It matters to me because it matters to God. Does that make sense?

It just feels good to talk about this. Alcohol is so prevalent in our society... Even my Christian friends drink. I feel like I can't talk to anyone about this."

"I confessed to him that I cannot give him any "good" reasoning other than I really hate it."
Seriously? Are you his mother or his wife?

"I'm so sad. My heart is so heavy over this. I wish it didn't matter so much to me..."

"Control" Your not getting your way so you push harder to try and control. Trust me on this, LET IT GO! You are driving a wedge between you and him and if you don't let it go and cut the guy some slack you will only make it worse. He has NOT sinned in this. He has done nothing wrong so stop trying to control what isn't broken.

" But I can't shake it."

Repeat after me: IF I AM NOT THE PROBLEM THEN THERE IS NO SOLUTION!

"We've dealt with things in the past and it just drags up all of my old feelings of... I can't explain it... Hate. Fear. Loss. Abandonment."

Bingo!! We have a winner!


"LIVE AND LET LIVE. Otherwise known as keeping your nose clean. Don’t even attempt to live other people’s lives for them, regardless of their relationship to you (if they are over 18, that is). You cannot be responsible for the behavior of any other adult human being (nor can you influence it), regardless of his or her relationship to you. WHATEVER IS BEYOND YOUR CONTROL IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. Live your own life and let others live theirs. It will give you peace of mind and will help them to live theirs. By all means, pray for them; there is a Power who can help them and will help them, if you invoke Him. This is the kind of help that counts. THERE IS NO PROBLEM SO GREAT THAT GOD AND YOU CAN’T HANDLE IT.



"REACTION. The greatest threat to my emotional well-being comes not from outside, but from within. It is not what other people do or say to me that causes me pain, but the matter in which I react to what they do or say. The problem is not their action, but my reaction. I cannot control them, but I can control myself. In other words, no one can hurt me, upset me, make me sad or glad, UNLESS I LET THEM."


Here, read this:https://www.christianforums.com/threads/helps-to-emotional-stability.8038559/
 
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They didn't have clean water back in the day, so the safest thing for them was to drink wine, or mix water with wine. It was an important thing back then and definitely fermented. They accused Jesus of being a drunkard in Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:34.

I also don't believe you need the permission or consent of your spouse to do something. Him having a drink has nothing to do with his wife. He's allowed to have that one drink if he wants to. It's not illegal, he's not harming himself, and he's not being irresponsible with it. Millions of people drink responsibly. Billions even all over the world. 84% of Americans drink socially. Only 7% engaged in heavy alcohol use. It's ingrained in some cultures, like my Irish culture for example. Germans have a big beer drinking culture. So do the English and Scandinavians. French love their wine.

Sure, if you have concerns, make them known, but you don't need your spouse's permission and if he disagrees and wants a drink, which isn't hurting anything, he should be able to have one. If she wants to be that in control of him, it will lead to nothing but problems in their marriage.

if anything, he's the leader of their household, not her.

Now he's suddenly become the "leader" of their household and can abuse the entire relationship as much as he pleases because his wife is uncomfortable that he's decided on his own without any of her input to start taking an addictive drug and somehow believe she would be happy about it. And now somehow he has the *right* to do it simply because it's not illegal.

Wow, some view of marriage you have there.
 
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1 Timothy 3:1-5 (NASB77)
1 It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, uncontentious, free from the love of money. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?);
An occasion glass does not seem like an addiction. There are some health benefits too. https://www.wideopeneats.com/10-health-benefits-get-drinking-daily-glass-wine/
 
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At least I don't have the view that he's abusing the whole household for having a single drink. Just because she's uncomfortable doesn't mean he's abusing anyone. I never said she should be happy, and even said she had every right to voice her concerns. But he's a grown man. Why do you think he can't be the head of the household, as described in the bible, but she has every right to tell him no and he has to obey? Sounds hypocritical to me.
 
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