Lords Day of Wrath

BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2018

DaDad said:
The Revelation 6:13 "stars of the sky fell to the earth" presumably are ICBM RB's (re-entry bodies) which look like falling stars as they re-enter the earth's atmosphere.

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

In the verse above Christ reveals that "stars" are a symbol of angels in the Book of Revelation.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;(The moon does not give its normal light during a blood moon.)
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

We find the same signs in the sun, moon, and stars in the Olivet Discourse, at the Second Coming of Christ.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The end of Revelation 6 is a vision of the Second Coming of Christ. They would not be hiding from the wrath of the Lamb, unless the Lamb was present at this period of time.

The "mighty men", and "captains", and "bond", and "free" are also found in Revelation 19.

The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

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keras · Aug 12, 2018

DaDad said:
It seems you are affixed to your CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) premise, in spite of Scriptural evidence, but it's important to point out to others the more plausible explanation, -- Global Thermonuclear War.

DaDad, I know that the general belief is there will be a nuke war. But this isn't what the prophets tell us, it will be the Lord Himself that sends fire to literally fulfil all the graphic descriptions of The Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath. From His storehouse; the sun. Deuteronomy 32:34-35

You obviously haven't bothered to research the effects of a massive, earth directed CME. It is the only thing that will cause the cosmic effects, roll away the atmosphere,[on the sun facing side] make the moon shine blood red, and totally destroy the attackers of Israel and then pass on into outer space, so the world can recover.
You have mixed up all the attacks yet to come, none will use nukes. The rotting of people and animal can be caused by other things, anyway radiation not accompanied by extreme heat and shock, is relatively slow to kill. But the powerful microwaves of a CME will do a quick cooking job on those soldiers and animals.

DaDad · Aug 12, 2018

Douggg said:
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king of the west - the beast, the leader of the EU with the U.S. and Canada as allies. ...

Yes, Daniel 11 cites a "king of the west", in verses ... -- WHAT?!? "King of the west"? Are you delusional?

DaDad

DaDad · Aug 12, 2018

DaDad said:
The Revelation 6:13 "stars of the sky fell to the earth" presumably are ICBM RB's (re-entry bodies) which look like falling stars as they re-enter the earth's atmosphere.

BABerean2 said:
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars ...

"Seven", do you see "seven stars"? Where do you get "seven" from in this verse? Your supposition that one analogy is applied universally is strictly your supposition. Unless you have confirmation in another verse, your "supposition" is certainly not absolute, and in fact is not TRUE.

Thanks,
DaDad

DaDad · Aug 12, 2018

keras said:
... The rotting of people and animal can be caused by other things, anyway radiation not accompanied by extreme heat and shock, is relatively slow to kill. But the powerful microwaves of a CME will do a quick cooking job on those soldiers and animals.

Hey Keras,

I don't know if you're aware, but a nuclear yield presents extreme heat and a shockwave, plus RADIATION. But as I suggested previously, it appears you are attached to your CME, and whatever Scriptures depict, or physics and physiology concur with, -- your position is, as my favorite aunt used to tease: "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts".

It's not a salvation issue, but it may be important to those who are attempting to mitigate future circumstances.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2018

DaDad said:
"Seven", do you see "seven stars"? Where do you get "seven" from in this verse? Your supposition that one analogy is applied universally is strictly your supposition. Unless you have confirmation in another verse, your "supposition" is certainly not absolute, and in fact is not TRUE.

Thanks,
DaDad

Do you deny that Jesus said the word "stars" is a symbol of "angels" in the Book of Revelation, in Revelation 1:20?

Speaking of "supposition", and things which are "not TRUE", where did Jesus use any word which would mean a man-made missile such as an ICBM?

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DaDad · Aug 12, 2018

BABerean2 said:
... where did Jesus use any word which would mean a man-made missile such as an ICBM?

ALL Modern Technical Terminology (typical of: nuclear weapons, tanks, helicopters, computers, the specific names of Nations -- including the United Nations, etc.) is employed by GOD in both the Old Testament and New Testament. It was the WRITERS who couldn't digest the unfamiliar terminology, and so they petitioned GOD that HE use diction common to the age in which the words were written. It's not GOD's fault that the writers protested.

Hope this helps,
DaDad

BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2018

DaDad said:
ALL Modern Technical Terminology (typical of: nuclear weapons, tanks, helicopters, computers, the specific names of Nations -- including the United Nations, etc.) is employed by GOD in both the Old Testament and New Testament. It was the WRITERS who couldn't digest the unfamiliar terminology, and so they petitioned GOD that HE use diction common to the age in which the words were written. It's not GOD's fault that the writers protested.

Hope this helps,
DaDad

And which of those technologies were used to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah?

Which one was used when fire came down from heaven and consumed the sacrifice prepared by Elijah, in the presence of the Baal worshipers?

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LittleLambofJesus · Aug 12, 2018

Lords Day of Wrath

keras said:
Note this: Hebrews 10:12-13 Christ will not [physically] Return until His enemies are made His footstool. Psalm 110:1

Who were His enemies when He and the Apostles were preaching?
I would say the corrupt murderous Judean Rulers......

Psalms 22:16
For dogs have surrounded Me, assembly of ones doing evil have encompass Me as a lion, hands of Me and feet of Me.

Philippians 3:2
Beware of the dogs! beware of-the evil workers! beware of-the circumcision! [Psalms 22:16/Isaiah 56:11/Revelation 22:15]

3709. orge or-gay' from 3713; by implication punishment:--anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath.

The exact form of #3709 used in 14 verses.
3 in the Gospels, 6 in the Epistles and 5 times in Revelation

Matthew 3:7
Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "brood of vipers!
who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about wrath<3709>?"

Mark 3:5
And having looked round upon them with wrath<3709>, being grieved for the hardness of their heart, he saith to the man, ‘Stretch forth thy hand;’
and he stretched forth, and his hand was restored whole as the other;

Luke 3:7
Then said he to the multitudes coming forth to be baptised by him,
‘Brood of vipers! who did prompt you to flee from the being about wrath<3709>?

1st time used in Revelation:

Revelation 6:
16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, ‘Fall upon us! and hide us! from the face of Him who is sitting upon the throne,
and from the wrath<3709> of the Lamb,’
17 because came the great Day of His wrath<3709>, and who is able to stand?

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3974

The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection of the dead or the immortality of the soul, since these doctrines are not mentioned in the law of Moses. Neither did they believe in heaven or hell.

They interpreted the law literally and tended to support strict justice as opposed to mercy toward the offender.
Since Jesus supported all these things opposed by the Sadducees, Jesus did not fit within the Sadducean movement.

Being closely associated with the Temple,
the Sadducees disappeared from history when the Temple was destroyed in 70ad.

DaDad · Aug 12, 2018

BABerean2 said:
And which of those technologies were used to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah?
Which one was used when fire came down from heaven and consumed the sacrifice prepared by Elijah, in the presence of the Baal worshipers?

I don't know if you're aware that the sun uses fusion, which is the same physics as Fatman and Littleboy, as dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki on Aug. 6th & Aug. 9th 1945 respectively. And if you were proficient in Bible Prophecy, you'd be able to cite where in Scripture these specific events are cited.

Thanks,
DaDad

keras · Aug 12, 2018

DaDad said:
Hey Keras,

I don't know if you're aware, but a nuclear yield presents extreme heat and a shockwave, plus RADIATION. But as I suggested previously, it appears you are attached to your CME, and whatever Scriptures depict, or physics and physiology concur with, -- your position is, as my favorite aunt used to tease: "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts".

It's not a salvation issue, but it may be important to those who are attempting to mitigate future circumstances.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

I am quite aware of what a nuke blast does, but what you seem unaware of what the Prophetic Word actually says.
Zechariah 14:12-15 does not describe an explosion blast or high temperatures. It is a 'plague' that instantly 'rots' ; cooks them from the inside. Just what a microwave does.

The true facts of what will happen on the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath; are that a Coronal Mass Ejection, instigated by the Lord, is the only thing that will literally cause all the prophesied effects.
It is impossible for any number of nukes to cause the cosmic effects, etc. Anyway God will not allow radiation pollution in His holy Land. He will destroy all weapons of war by this CME. Jeremiah 49:35, Hosea 2:18, Amos 5:9, Psalms 49:9, Psalms 76:3

keras · Aug 12, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Who were His enemies when He and the Apostles were preaching?
I would say the corrupt murderous Judean Rulers......

But today, they are those who occupy His holy Land and He will destroy them when they attempt to nuke Israel. Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18. Revelation 6:12-17, +

BABerean2 · Aug 12, 2018

DaDad said:
I don't know if you're aware that the sun uses fusion, which is the same physics as Fatman and Littleboy, as dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki on Aug. 6th & Aug. 9th 1945 respectively.

I used to cover the topic of nuclear energy as a part of my science class.

If you had been in my class you would have learned that Fatman and Littleboy worked through the process of nuclear fission, which splits large atoms like Uranium and Plutonium into smaller atoms.
That technology was perfected at the end of World War 2.
Nuclear power plants use fission.

During the 1950s scientists perfected the Hydrogen Bomb, which combines Hydrogen atoms into larger atoms such as Helium, through the process of nuclear fusion.
Nuclear fusion requires extreme temperatures and pressures to make it work.
This was accomplished by building a two stage bomb.
The first stage is a fission process, and the heat and pressure produced by the splitting of the larger atoms is used to start a fusion reaction in Lithium Deuteride, or other chemicals made up of small elements.
The light produced by some of these larger "Thermonuclear" weapons is powerful enough to burn the paint off of your car from 15 miles away. These weapons are thousands of times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb.

The sun fuses Hydrogen into Helium.
The core temperature of the sun is estimated to be around 15 million degrees C.
No practical Nuclear Fusion power plant has been built as of today, because of the extreme temperatures and pressures required to keep it working on a constant basis.

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keras · Aug 14, 2018

Ezekiel 20:30 Go: tell the Israelites, the Lord God says: Are you defiling yourselves as your forefathers did and lusting after other gods?
Israelites; now every Christian person, the Overcomers for God.

Ezekiel 20:31-32 You are defiling yourselves this very day with your false religions and insincere faith. My people, I refuse to be consulted by you. You can never be like other peoples, who worship idols.
The idols of materialism and self gratification.

Ezekiel 20:33-36 As I live, says the Lord, I shall reign over you with a strong hand and by My wrath, I shall bring you out from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been dispersed. I shall bring you into the Meeting place in the desert, there I shall confront you and bring you to judgement. Just as I did in Egypt with your forefathers, so I shall judge you.

The same as in the first Exodus, The Lord is not seen by them, so this happens before the Return of Jesus.

Ezekiel 20:37-38 I shall make you pass under the rod [of judgement] and I will bring you into the bond of the Covenant. All those who rebel or revolt against Me will not set foot on the soil of Israel.

Ezekiel 20:39-42 Now, you Israelites – go serve your idols. But in days to come you will be punished for it, then no more will you desecrate My holy Name. For there, in the land of Israel, all My chosen people will serve Me. After I have restored you to the Land of your ancestors, I shall require your offerings and gifts and then I will accept you as a fragrant incense. Isaiah 45:16-17

Ezekiel 20:42-44 When I resettle you into all of the Holy Land, you will despise yourselves for your past conduct and you will know that I am your God. Not as your wickedness deserves, but as the honour of My Holy Name demands. Isaiah 43:25

Ezekiel 20:45-48 The Word of the Lord came to me: Ezekiel, turn and face toward the South, prophesy to the desert of the Negev. Say to it: The Lord God says – I am about to set a fire in you and it will consume all flammable things. Its fiery flame will not be put out and all people from the South to the North will be scorched by it. All will see that it is I, the Lord, who has set it ablaze, unable to be quenched.
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses condensed.

Verse 30-32 Judah, the Jews and Israel, the nominal Christian peoples alike are atheistic, apostate, they pursue false doctrines, false religions and materialism. This is not their destiny. Isaiah 48:13, Isaiah 60:3.

Verse 33-38 After the Day of vengeance and wrath, the Lord will gather His people into all that area given to Abraham. Isaiah 14:1-2, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 5:26, Isaiah 1:25.

Verse 39-40 Do as you will for now, but judgement will come. Isaiah 41:1, Hosea 12:2 In the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, His righteous people will serve Him. Isaiah 26:2, Isaiah 29:22-23, Isaiah 66:20-21, 1 Peter 2:9-10. “You will know that I am your God” this statement would be unnecessary if all of this prophecy takes place after the Return of Jesus. All this happens before that. His people: a righteous nation, living in peace and prosperity in the Holy Land – being a light to the nations and His witnesses; preparing the world for the Return. Isaiah 42:6 & 43:10

Verse 45-48 There is no record of an event as described, having happened in Israel. The description is what would result from a Coronal Mass Ejection, explosion of the suns surface. Isaiah 30:26

This will be the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, which will clear and cleanse all the area of Greater Israel. Deut. 32:43, Isaiah 63:1-6 & 21:1 & 9:18-19 & 33:10-12 & 10:17-19, Ezekiel 21:1-5, Jeremiah 9:25-26 & 23:19-20. Revelation 6:12-17.

DaDad · Aug 16, 2018

BABerean2 said:
If you had been in my class you would have learned

If I had been in your "Science Class", I would have taught the significance between a gun-assembled versus implosion device, and if everyone had Security Clearances, I would have described much more.

In fact, if one examines the Scriptures one should find that in 1945 there were TWO nuclear fission designs:

1.a. Uranium
1.b. Plutonium
2.a. Gun Assembled
2.b. Implosion
3.a. Littleboy
3.b. Fatman
4.a. Hiroshima
4.b. Nagasaki
-- respectively --

This appears to be the FIRST time in world history where TWO different technologies were developed in parallel to accomplish the same result.

BABerean2 said:
The light produced by some of these larger "Thermonuclear" weapons is powerful enough to burn the paint off of your car from 15 miles away.

Per my information, a fielded nuclear weapon (ship born weapons have been tested, but they are not field-able) will break residential glass windows 11 miles away, and will not disburse the "heat" at the distance you cite. -- It's a cube-root function.

BABerean2 said:
No practical Nuclear Fusion power plant has been built as of today, because of the extreme temperatures and pressures required to keep it working on a constant basis.

Actually, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory "Internal Confinement Fusion" (ICF) Program is working on the technology as we speak:

Recent experiments and modeling have established much of the physics necessary to validate the basic concept of ignition and ICF target gain in the laboratory. The rapid progress made in the past several years, and in particular, recent results showing higher radiation drive temperatures and implosion velocities than previously obtained and assumed for high-gain target designs, has led LLNL to propose an upgrade of the Nova laser to 1.5 to 2 MJ (at 0.35 {mu}m) to demonstrate ignition and energy gains of 10 to 20 -- the Nova Upgrade.
The LLNL (Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory) ICF (Inertial Confinement Fusion) Program: Progress toward ignition in the Laboratory | Request PDF. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...am_Progress_toward_ignition_in_the_Laboratory [accessed Aug 16 2018].

So again I ask, -- Where in the Scriptures do you find the citation for the use of these two weapon systems in 1945?

Thanks,
DaDad

Riberra · Aug 16, 2018

keras said:
We know from past history that the earth is vulnerable to sunspot activity. Usually this results in an aurora display and some interference to radio communications. However in 1989 the Quebec region of Canada was affected by a small Coronal Mass Ejection, which damaged the electric supply system and communications network.

In fact that was the second most powerful CME to hit the Earth in modern time history..the bigger to hit the Earth in mordern time was the Carrington Event tin 1859 that you describe.

I was there in 1989 in Quebec ...and i can assure you that there was no fire coming from the Sky...but an impressive bombardment of electrically charged particles.When the CME is ejected from the Sun it became a Plasma Cloud which is made of ELECTRICALLY CHARGED PARTICLES....That is not a mass of fire as you unfortunately -erreonously- believe.
Here approx. what the bombardment of electrically charged particles coming from the massive CME looked at his peak .

BABerean2 · Aug 16, 2018

DaDad said:
This appears to be the FIRST time in world history where TWO different technologies were developed in parallel to accomplish the same result.

The fission of Plutonium would not work in the gun-type Little Boy design, because it would have prematurely blown itself apart. The implosion method was the alternative.
It is still used today as the primary stage of thermonuclear designs.
The Trinity test used this method.

The huge facility at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, used the gaseous diffusion method to enrich the Uranium into a usable amount of Uranium 235, for the gun-type weapon.
The Hiroshima explosion was the test of the first Uranium bomb.

The movie "Fatman and Little Boy" did a decent job of covering the "Manhattan Project".

No security clearance was needed during my teaching career.
The information was commonly available by that time.
My students received at handout containing a rough diagram of both types of weapons.

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DaDad · Aug 16, 2018

BABerean2 said:
The fission of Plutonium would not work in the gun-type Little Boy design, because it would have prematurely blown itself apart. The implosion method was the alternative.

Uranium requires a gun-assembled weapon-- the original weapon used an actual naval gun barrel. Plutonium requires an implosion type weapon. In the 1940's, Oakridge couldn't produce enough weapons-grade uranium, so Hanford was used to produce plutonium.

BABerean2 said:
It is still used today as the primary stage of thermonuclear designs.
The Trinity test used this method.

... because the gun-assembled weapon had a high confidence of working, but the implosion design was so theoretical that the designers needed to test the device before fielding.

BABerean2 said:
My students received a handout ...

Hands-on is more interesting ...

Thanks,
DaDad

keras · Aug 16, 2018

Riberra said:
In fact that was the second most powerful CME to hit the Earth in modern time history..the bigger to hit the Earth in mordern time was the Carrington Event tin 1859 that you describe.

Realize this: the CME that the Lord will instigate on His Day of wrath, will be waaaay more powerful than any thing we have experienced so far. Joel 2:2b....the like has never been known and will never again be in all the ages to come.
You read the prophesies; isn't it plain that what is described will change the world and commence all the things that must happen before Jesus Returns.
We should know about it and be prepared spiritually and physically.

As for arguing about nukes, that's about as useless and unenlightening as most other threads on this forum.

Riberra · Aug 16, 2018

keras said:
Realize this: the CME that the Lord will instigate on His Day of wrath, will be waaaay more powerful than any thing we have experienced so far. Joel 2:2b....the like has never been known and will never again be in all the ages to come.
You read the prophesies; isn't it plain that what is described will change the world and commence all the things that must happen before Jesus Returns.
We should know about it and be prepared spiritually and physically.

There is nothing concerning an event from the Sun in Joel 2:2 ...Joel 2:2 describe a Day of total darkness and gloominess upon the whole Earth ..[until that Jesus appear in Glory in the Clouds..[Matthew 24:29-31]

Read carefully
Joel 2:2
2 a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, as the dawn spread upon the mountains; a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after them, even to the years of many generations.

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