WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF FREE WILL ?

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We love him because HE FIRST LOVED US : he first put his spirit of love inside of us thus giving us the capability to love !

He first loved us, and showed it by giving his spotless, and precious, Son to die for sinners.
When we believe, and come to know, how much he loved us; that we did nothing to deserve such love, mercy and grace, it was all from him; that we were stained, godless sinners and he gave his Son for us - then we respond by loving him.

Not everyone knows about, or is able to accept, such love. They may have been hurt by life, unanswered prayers, illness, bereavement and so on and cannot see where God is.
Our job is to love, care for, counsel, minister to, feed/clothe etc, them so that they are in a position to be able to respond to God's amazing love and free gift of eternal life.
That's what Jesus has done for us - reconciled, restored and patiently loved and nurtured us until we have faith, know his love and are one of his children. We are commanded to love as he loves us.
 
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You are going to have to post the content because some of smarter people have exercised our freewill and don't have facebook accounts.
You have smarted yourself right away from God's truth : sarcasm will not get you there : Mt 13(11)
 
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Your reply doesn't even come close to dealing with the passage I quoted.

1Timothy 2:1-7 [1] My desire is, first of all, that you will make requests and prayers and give praise for all men; [2] For kings and all those in authority; so that we may have a calm and quiet life in all fear of God and serious behaviour. [3] This is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; [4] Whose desire is that all men may have salvation and come to the knowledge of what is true. [5] For there is one God and one peacemaker between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, [6] Who gave himself as an offering for all; witness of which was to be given at the right time; [7] And of this I became a preacher and an Apostle (what I say is true, not false,) and a teacher of the Gentiles in the true faith.
Mt 13(11), 1 Cor 2 : These things are not for you !
 
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Mt 13(11), 1 Cor 2 : These things are not for you !
Really?

Mathew 13 Verse 11. The mysteries of the kingdom. The word mystery, in the Bible, properly means a thing that is concealed, or that has been concealed. It does not mean that the thing was incomprehensible, or even difficult to be understood. The thing might be plain enough if revealed, but it means simply that it had not been made known. Thus the mysteries of the kingdom do not mean any doctrines incomprehensible in themselves considered, but simply doctrines about the preaching of the gospel, and the establishment of the new kingdom of the Messiah which had not been understood, and which were as yet concealed from the great body of the Jews. See Rom 16:26, 11:25, Eph 3:3,4,9. Of this nature was the truth that the gospel was to be preached to the Gentiles, that the Jewish polity was to cease, that the Messiah was to die, etc. To the disciples it was given to know these truths. It was important for them, as they were to carry the gospel around the globe. To the others it was not then given. They were too gross, too earthly; they had too grovelling conceptions of the Messiah's kingdom to understand these truths, even if presented. They were not to preach it, and hence our Saviour was at particular pains to instruct his apostles. The Pharisees, and Jews generally, were not prepared for it, and would not have believed it, and therefore he purposely employed a kind of teaching that they did not understand.

(a) "to know" Mt 11:25, Mk 4:11, 1Cor 2:10:14, Eph 1:9,18, 3:9 Col 1:26,27, 1Jn 2:27
 
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You have smarted yourself right away from God's truth : sarcasm will not get you there : Mt 13(11)
Jesus Christ who is the Truth dwells inside of me. John 14:6, Romans 8:9
How could I "smart myself right away from God's truth"?
When He promised He would never leave me or forsake me. Hebrews 13:5
 
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Mathew 13 Verse 11. The mysteries of the kingdom. The word mystery, in the Bible, properly means a thing that is concealed, or that has been concealed. It does not mean that the thing was incomprehensible, or even difficult to be understood. The thing might be plain enough if revealed, but it means simply that it had not been made known. Thus the mysteries of the kingdom do not mean any doctrines incomprehensible in themselves considered, but simply doctrines about the preaching of the gospel, and the establishment of the new kingdom of the Messiah which had not been understood, and which were as yet concealed from the great body of the Jews. See Rom 16:26, 11:25, Eph 3:3,4,9. Of this nature was the truth that the gospel was to be preached to the Gentiles, that the Jewish polity was to cease, that the Messiah was to die, etc. To the disciples it was given to know these truths. It was important for them, as they were to carry the gospel around the globe. To the others it was not then given. They were too gross, too earthly; they had too grovelling conceptions of the Messiah's kingdom to understand these truths, even if presented. They were not to preach it, and hence our Saviour was at particular pains to instruct his apostles. The Pharisees, and Jews generally, were not prepared for it, and would not have believed it, and therefore he purposely employed a kind of teaching that they did not understand.

Great explanation.
I fear it may be wasted on John, however. He has already decided that we are ignorant and don't understand the mysteries of the kingdom. Why? Because we disagree with what he says - so we must be wrong. :sigh:
 
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Mathew 13 Verse 11. The mysteries of the kingdom. The word mystery, in the Bible, properly means a thing that is concealed, or that has been concealed. It does not mean that the thing was incomprehensible, or even difficult to be understood. The thing might be plain enough if revealed, but it means simply that it had not been made known. Thus the mysteries of the kingdom do not mean any doctrines incomprehensible in themselves considered, but simply doctrines about the preaching of the gospel, and the establishment of the new kingdom of the Messiah which had not been understood, and which were as yet concealed from the great body of the Jews. See Rom 16:26, 11:25, Eph 3:3,4,9. Of this nature was the truth that the gospel was to be preached to the Gentiles, that the Jewish polity was to cease, that the Messiah was to die, etc. To the disciples it was given to know these truths. It was important for them, as they were to carry the gospel around the globe. To the others it was not then given. They were too gross, too earthly; they had too grovelling conceptions of the Messiah's kingdom to understand these truths, even if presented. They were not to preach it, and hence our Saviour was at particular pains to instruct his apostles. The Pharisees, and Jews generally, were not prepared for it, and would not have believed it, and therefore he purposely employed a kind of teaching that they did not understand.

(a) "to know" Mt 11:25, Mk 4:11, 1Cor 2:10:14, Eph 1:9,18, 3:9 Col 1:26,27, 1Jn 2:27
You are very proficient at wresting God's word with your own private reasonings : not something to be proud of : 1 Peter 3(20)
 
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You are very proficient at wresting God's word with your own private reasonings : not something to be proud of : 1 Peter 3(20)
1Peter 3:18-22 [18] For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, [19] in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, [20] because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. [21] Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, [22] who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

1Peter 3 Verse 20. Which sometime were disobedient. Which were once, or formerly, (ποτε,) disobedient or rebellious. The language here does not imply that they had ceased to be disobedient, or that they had become obedient at the time when the apostle wrote; but the object is to direct the attention to a former race of men characterised by disobedience, and to show the patience evinced under their provocations, in endeavouring to do them good. To say that men were formerly rebellious, or rebellious in a specified age, is no evidence that they are otherwise now. The meaning here is, that they did not obey the command of God when he called them to repentance by the preaching of Noah. Comp. 2Pet 2:5, where Noah is called "a preacher of righteousness."

When once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah. God waited on that guilty race a hundred and twenty years, (Gen 6:3,) a period sufficiently protracted to evince his long-suffering toward one generation. It is not improbable that during that whole period Noah was, in various ways, preaching to that wicked generation. Comp. Heb 11:7.

While the ark was a preparing. It is probable that preparations were made for building the ark during a considerable portion of that time. St. Peter's, at Rome, was a much longer time in building; and it is to be remembered that in the age of the world when Noah lived, and with the imperfect knowledge of the arts of naval architecture which must have prevailed, it was a much more serious undertaking to construct an ark that would hold such a variety and such a number of animals as that was designed to, and that would float safely for more than a year in an universal flood, than it was to construct such a fabric as St. Peter's, in the days when that edifice was reared.

Wherein few, that is, eight souls. Eight persons--Noah and his wife, his three sons and their wives, Gen 7:7. The allusion to their being saved here seems to be to encourage those whom Peter addressed to perseverance and fidelity, in the midst of all the opposition which they might experience. Noah was not disheartened. Sustained by the Spirit of Christ--the presence of the Son of God--he continued to preach. He did not abandon his purpose, and the result was that he was saved. True, they were few in number who were saved; the great mass continued to be wicked; but this very fact should be an encouragement to us--that though the great mass of any one generation may be wicked, God can protect and save the few who are faithful.

By water. They were borne up by the waters, and were thus preserved. The thought on which the apostle makes his remarks turn, and which leads him in the next verse to the suggestions about baptism, is, that water was employed in their preservation, or that they owed their safety, in an important sense, to that element. In like manner we owe our salvation, in an important sense, to water; or, there is an important agency which it is made to perform in our salvation. The apostle does not say that it was in the same way, or that the one was a type designed to represent the other, or even that the efficacy of water was in both cases the same; but he says, that as Noah owed his salvation to water, so there is an important sense in which water is employed in ours. There is in certain respects--he does not say in all respects--a resemblance between the agency of water in the salvation of Noah, and the agency of water in our salvation. In both cases water is employed, though it may not be that it is in the same manner, or with precisely the same efficacy.
 
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He first loved us, and showed it by giving his spotless, and precious, Son to die for sinners.
When we believe, and come to know, how much he loved us; that we did nothing to deserve such love, mercy and grace, it was all from him; that we were stained, godless sinners and he gave his Son for us - then we respond by loving him.

Not everyone knows about, or is able to accept, such love. They may have been hurt by life, unanswered prayers, illness, bereavement and so on and cannot see where God is.
Our job is to love, care for, counsel, minister to, feed/clothe etc, them so that they are in a position to be able to respond to God's amazing love and free gift of eternal life.
That's what Jesus has done for us - reconciled, restored and patiently loved and nurtured us until we have faith, know his love and are one of his children. We are commanded to love as he loves us.
Without him we can do nothing : We can only do things through Christ who strengthens us : It is not us but Christ working through us : Phil 2(13), Jer 10(23), Rom 13(1) : we cannot even love God of our own power , but he has to give us this capability through his spirit : Phil 2(13)
 
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Without him we can do nothing : We can only do things through Christ who strengthens us : It is not us but Christ working through us : Phil 2(13), Jer 10(23), Rom 13(1) : we cannot even love God of our own power , but he has to give us this capability through his spirit : Phil 2(13)
I am fairly certain one day you will check the Scriptures you are using to make your point.
The only one you used correctly was Philippians 2:13 the first time, but even that you should have included 12.
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
And Jeremiah 10:23 has nothing to do with your statement.
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

And Romans 13:1 also has nothing to do with your statement.
Let every man be subject unto the governing authorities for there is no power but of God.

Then in the last statement you say He must give us the capability to love through His Spirit.
This I agree with, you should use Romans 5:5 though.
The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given to us.
 
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Without him we can do nothing

We can't save ourselves, heal ourselves, give ourselves eternal life, the Holy Spirit and many gifts and blessings; true.

But I don't believe that as literally as you, and another forummer, seem to. God allows us to choose - for example, what we wear, what we do, which church we go to and so on. He can guide us in these choices if we ask him to, but it is not true that I open my wardrobe and wear a certain outfit because that is the one that he has handpicked for me to wear that day.
Sadly, humans can also choose to disobey God and sin. He does not want that for us, but we still do it.
 
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