Christians are hurting my faith.

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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.
I assume that you outwardly claim to need Christ to live. There is a time approaching when you will absolutely positively know that just being able to stand requires Christ. You will not be disappointed for standing up for Christ. The Word of God Says that all of the things that you have mentioned will in fact happen as I recall what you wrote. Somewhere, there is an espousing Christian pastor that will tell just about everyone what they want to hear regardless of how far from the truth the words that pastor speaks are from the truth. The Word of God Tells us that this will happen. The fact that you are aware of the many blasphemous acts and speeches that exist in this horrible world is a blessing. Thank God The Father that you are not the judge of the world. As the world collapses under the weight of the sin that is drowning it, we need to bless those who despitfully use us and pray for those who are lost. Our mission is to grow in spite of the world and to live a life that is its own witness for Christ. To be obedient in thought word and deed is our mission and our mission is impossible without Christ living within us. I have cried many tears for this world and the tremendous pain that so many suffer because of sin. By The Grace of God The Father, He has given me a small small taste of what He feels and hears around the clock. The world wants your soul and only Christ can help you keep it. To know The True Fear of The Lord is one of God The Father’s Greatest Blessings.
 
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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.
bro sorry about your divorce......

hate to break it to you but the church full of people has always had its ups and downs.....
look at Israel in Moses day..Gods people were rebellious....
look at Corinth, Antioch.....history of the Europe church...
both catholic and protestant....not good at times.....

as others said...gotta look to Jesus....
matthew 13:30-34
Let both grow together until the harvest,...
First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”

gotta be a leader and help some of these younger christians and let Jesus deal with His own church......
 
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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.

My first suggestion is to avoid online.

My next suggestion is to keep looking but remember that you aren't perfect either. Don't expect others to be.

My third thing is that Christianity cannot be done in complete secrecy.

My final suggestion is stop being a foxhole Christian.
 
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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.

I'm sorry to hear your troubles. I too was left by a christian wife for another man. I would have to say if people are hurting your faith then it's not faith you're experiencing. Faith is a gift of the Holy spirit and is from God himself and cannot be hurt or perverted.

I think what your experiencing is belief instead of faith. Beliefs can change in a person. Does that make sense?

And it's sad that your beliefs are being changed by the actions of others. That would be a weakness you should overcome. Be strong in your beliefs and God will reward you :) God Bless.
 
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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.
I feel your hurt, disappointment and confusion and understand completely. The church as we know it, especially here in the west, has come to a point where a fork in the road is coming into view. We are entering the valley of decision.

Up till now, it has been relatively easy to be a worldly Christian. No one really noticed because it was ‘normal’ Christian behavior. But as we approach the coming darkness, the contrast between the Spirit and the flesh is increasingly shown.

Although it is a hard time for you, realize there are others, many others who feel the same way. The church right now is a mixture of wheat and tares, sheep and goats. Unfortunately, the sheep have not lifted the goats up to their level, but visa versa.

Thus we see a church body content with assurance of eternal life, but with no pressing desire to be like Him, to walk in purity and love and holiness. Why is this? Simply because we have been taught that real victory over our flesh is impossible. Thus, the temptations we are daily assailed with hit their mark, because our shields of faith are down. The world and it’s baubles pull ever harder at us, and because we believe we cannot truly walk as overcomers, then we have followed the world’s definition of success as our church model.

But take heart, dear brother, change, glorious change is coming. The church is about to be awakened and when that happens, the separation of the sheep and the goats will finally occur. The true saints of God will awake to who they truly are, new creatures, sojourner sin this world, and with this understanding, they will finally hold their shields of faith high and find they truly do what Jesus promised they will do. Every arrow cast at usby the enemy of our souls will be quenched.

We will finally fully comprehend the hope of His calling for us, that we walk as overcomers in this life, with sin and self love replaced by holiness and abundant fruits of the Spirit.

The amazing thing about this is that it is not for the strong, but for the weak. It is when we come to the place of having no strength that we finally can look totally away from us and our feeble efforts and look to Jesus to change us from religious to righteous saints.

You are blessed in that you see the many shortcomings that seem to be growing daily in our churches. That does not make our situation more pleasant, as true fellowship is difficult to find right now. Just know that God foretold this and it is temporary.

His return for us is near, and He is not coming back for a fruitless, worldly, lukewarm bride. We are the blessed generation that will see the church returned to its former glory. Keep your eyes on Jesus Himself. He will not disappoint you.

Blessings,
Gideon
 
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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.

Your story sounds familiar, you are not alone; Christianity is in very rough waters these days. I can relate to your story. I am 70 years old and was converted 42 years ago, but less than 10 years ago had an awakening after a similar experience but without the divorce issue. Like your parents, I too became disillusioned with the commercial Church and started a home Church but could not get enough “Christians” together on a regular basis to have a prayer meeting, so I just stopped going. After a couple years of missing the fellowship, I returned to a small floating fellowship of believers where I presently attend.

Your story is sad but also encouraging to know that there are some Christians who know in their spirit that something is missing today. The Christians I am around justify nearly all ungodly things and reject any attempt to clear the air of worldliness: patriotism and flag-waving, wars and violence, movies and television, worldly dressing and lack of modesty, drinking and drugs, divorce, lack of discipline, pride, and vanity. The (2) things that had the greatest effect on my personal life was getting rid of the television and becoming A-political; these two things led to the entrance of much light and peace.

What I found after separating myself from many worldly things was that I reduced my circle of friends to nearly zero with the exception of the few like-minded souls of the internet. Biblical Christians are really rare. When Paul told Timothy that, “If you live righteously you will be persecuted” he was speaking the truth. The truth of the Gospel does not sit well with the world or worldly Christians. You will find out quickly if you speak out against patriotism or for nonresistance against evil as Jesus commands in Matthew 5:39; these are two hot-potatoes that anger many nominal believers today.

Likewise, my wife and I went to Church whenever the doors were open, sent our three girls to private Christian schools, watched little T.V., never drank alcohol, went to Bible school, served in the Church yet things crumbled all around us. I prayed many times and asked God why all these things were happening in our lives, and He answered me one day by saying, “You have taught your children how to live but you never taught them how to die.” And, that is the problem with the Church and with Christians today, we have very many Christians who have never died yet they make claim to all the benefits of God. Without death, there is no rebirth or resurrection. Romans 12:1 says that we are to crawl onto the altar of God and be reduced to ashes which is our minimal service to God. After this discovery, my life changed dramatically, but the world did not change, it was still the world but the contrast was now apparent and those who knew the old me rejected the new me, and I knew I was on the right track. If they hated our Lord then they will hate you. If the world loves you then you are not doing something right.

Most of the Christians on the forums are not enlightened Christians and have not died to sin so don’t expect too much from them and if you present the truth here it will, many times, be accepted no better than anywhere else. In nearly all cases they are not looking for a chance to grow but only want to argue. Your evaluation of the forums are correct but don’t be discouraged, you be a Christian armed with the truth, real truth, and not the regurgitated nonsense of some denominational creed or preacher. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. Don’t force the New Testament to agree with your doctrine regardless of how deep-seated it has become. If you will heed to the Holy Spirit He will really guide you.

I only associate with the world when I have to, I do not laugh at their jokes or participate in their stupidity. I do not own a television although I do listen to selected Christian music but not Christian radio. I write Christian articles for my blog, www.IndyWatchman.com, write some poetry, read extensively Christian history and apologetics, and keep a Christian photography website, www.AncientLightPhotography.com. I help out at a rescue mission and do some visitation when I can. I fill my life with things and people who promote growth and constantly weed my garden.

Listen to what you are reading and don’t stop praying; your answers are closer than you think. The Bible tells us that there is a narrow path and a broad path that Christians follow and that most prefer the broad path. Do not fellowship with these people they will harm you, but you expose their hypocrisy, gently; there is no sense making life unduly harsh if not necessary, but be direct. Remember, that your tears are a treasure to our Lord and Father in Heaven.

It sounds like you and your dad are of the same spirit and if he sees your good example maybe it will be the start of a new fellowship of likeminded believers.
 
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The problem in many churches is that they are set up in the same way as a theatre is set up, with the passive audience watching the show up front. While Paul advocated that every member had a contribution to make, the setup of many churches these days make it that just one person conducts the whole service while the "audience" listens. This causes the attitude of coming to church to "get my blessing", rather than attending with the attitude of making a meaningful contribution to the service.

This gives rise to a spirit of criticism in the church where members will leave if the piano is shifted a metre to the right, or when a data projector is installed, criticising members will throw their toys out of the cot and cause a stink. A female elder in my church tried to have a children's holiday programme, and when the minister told her, quite rightly, if she had a health and safety policy, she refused to allow the holiday programme to go ahead until such a policy was put in place. That elder got her nose out of joint, resigned, and left the church.

There are many who come to church for selfish reasons: what they can get out of it more than what they can put into it. These are the leaches who occupy the back pews and criticise the efforts of the good, hardworking folk in the church.

There is a man who comes to church when he feels like it, and he is absent more than he is present. He takes no part in the activities of the church. Yet when there is a congregation meeting, he is there and is very outspoken about the things he disagrees with. What I have noticed in my church is that the elders, board of managers members, musicians, worship leaders, those who prepare and serve the morning tea, and preachers, never seem to have an criticism of the activities of the church. Maybe they are too busy working for the good of the church they have no time or spare energy to criticise...
 
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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.

Either you are very unlucky, very strict or just not seeing other people's attempts to be more like Jesus.

And that is the key. If you are to be more like Jesus, you need to hang around sinners, including tax collectors, doubters and those who stick their feet in their mouths on regular occasions and you have to do it while not being corrupted by them.

If you act more like Jesus in your church or even in life, people will either flock to you to see what you have... or they will crucify you.

Be prepared either way and go back out there.
 
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This too seems unhelpful. No. Why would somebody go to church if they were not a Christian?

Fit in with social norms of their peer/family group
Social outlet/Emotional support
Financial support
the list keeps going....
 
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When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.
These kinds of things are not what makes a person a Christian. I avoid the use of the word Christian unless my listener (or reader) understands the kind of person(s) I'm referring to—because there are so many meanings for Christian these days. Evaluate people with an eye toward what actually makes a person a follower of Christ, which is the Biblical definition of Christian.

What you have discovered are a lot of people who have been taught to believe they are Christians, or that going to a Christian church makes them Christian, but do not genuinely believe in Jesus and/or have not accepted him as their Lord for every day of their lives. One common reason is that they have not wanted to know God through their own study of the Bible. Relying only on what people say about Jesus and say about Scripture is a serious problem. It leaves way too much room to ponder human ideas and obey humans, instead of learning what God said and obeying him.

My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. (1 Corinthians 2:4-5, 1984 NIV)

Our God answers all kinds of prayers and requests, but people who are devoted to various things, even people, while not being devoted to him will end up on a path that results in not receiving anything (James 1:7). There is no substitute for trying to connect to God himself (through the Biblically prescribed ways). Serving at your church, helping the poor and homeless aren't what God is looking for.

Read Hosea 1, a part of which is:

For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings. (Hosea 6:6, 1984 NIV)

God wants your heart, not your deeds.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ (Mark 12:30, 1984 NIV)

When you have sought God and as a result he has taken hold of you, then he will guide you and help you with all the deeds he has prepared for you (Ephesians 2:10).

Then you will call, and the LORD will answer; you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I. ... (Isaiah 58:9a, 1984 NIV) (The surrounding verses list deeds done because of having a Godly heart and contrasts them with deeds done with a empty heart.)
 
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Been a Christian since I was a kid. When I was a teen, my parents stopped going to church. They still read their Bibles, prayed before meals, and lived honorable and Godly lives.

I strayed when I joined the military, but always had my faith and went to church occasionally.

When I got married, I recommitted my life and went to church every Sunday, Bible studies, raised my kids as good Christians.

Then I was cheated on and left by my Christian wife. I moved back to where I was raised and found a new church with seemingly decent and normal people. I went to several churches in the area and discovered a lot of people with serious moral and mental issues. Lots of divorce and substance abuse along with rampant sexual sin.

Seemed every time I got to know a Christian better, I discovered their ugliness.

I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior. The amount of obvious mental illness among Christians is staggering.

I interact with secular people and am dismayed by their cursing, gossiping, lust, and mockery of Christians.

But I am even more dismayed by the total lack of accountability or honor of the majority of Christians today. Hateful personal attacks abound on online forums. Christians making excuses for their sin and twisting the Word to justify their ugliness.

It's just all become so overwhelming lately.

I read my Bible and I pray every night, but I just don't want to fellowship with Christians anymore. It's really sad. I also don't want to hang out with non-Christians who mock my faith and curse God.

Sure, there are a few great people I've seen here and in real life, but it seems like today there is no discernible difference between Christians and non-believers.

And that seems to infer there is no power in the Word or Christ. And that is blasphemous and evil talk.

How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

People who claim to be Christians are just as likely to cheat on their spouse, steal, lie, and do all manner of evil as someone who isn't a Believer.

What's the point of being a Christian if it results in absolutely no moral change in a person? Yes, there is the whole eternal salvation thing, but that is for the individual's benefit and not for the good of society.

Sorry for the rant, but I weep for the state of Christianity today.

Oh, and I asked my dad a few years ago why he and mom stopped going to church years ago. He told me because he expected non-Christians to lie to him and try to cheat him, but when a respected elder did it, it soured his whole view on the church. He decided not going to church and being around people who called themselves Christians was better for his faith than constantly being disappointed by them.
"I went online and checked out Christian forums. What I discovered was people identifying as Christians embracing communism, abortion, homosexuality, and all manner of sin and destructive behavior." Start here - I am on line in a forum. 1. I am a Christian. 2. I despise communism (I was in the service in 1974-1978 and actively worked against communist infiltration into the U.S. and still do not understand why we are doing any business with Communist China, their allies, Russia, or any communist country.) 3. I weep for the unborn. My problem is forgiving the politicians and doctors and nurses, not so much the moms who have been lied to. But the woman and those others who know that life begins the moment of conception, yet denies the rights of the pre-born anyway, I have no sympathy for. Jesus said, "What so ever you do to the least of these..." 4. A one time murderer who is contrite and seeks forgiveness for their taking of a life is much more appealing to embrace than is a man or woman who lives the life of abomination before God and daily slaps the Lord in the face with their homosexuality. I cannot, will not ever endorse that behavior as love. All of it is selfish, self centered, narcissistic lust for filth. 5. My heart breaks for those caught up in destructive behavior ranging from inappropriate contentography, to illegal drug and legal alcohol abuse, to overeating, and even to include tattooing and piercings and dangerous behavior that is not necessary for the glorification of our Lord. The missing component in theses lives is 1 Cor 6:19 "Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself...,"

I said those things so that you know that not all who call themselves Christians are of the type people you describe. However, it is sad to say that I would still disappoint you because no matter what I do I cannot stop sinning in some way, some manner, some how. I can't. It is the human in me. I try, but it still happens and I am sorry.
 
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How do you reconcile the fact that Christians are no better morally and are actually plagued with more mental illness than the general population?

1 Kings 19:10
He replied, “I have been very zealous for the Lord God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, torn down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too.”

1 Kings 19:18 (God's reply)
Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel—all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and whose mouths have not kissed him.”

As always, there will be those who actually do follow and obey God. Never mind the heathen, even when they call themselves Christian.
 
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If they are calling themselves Christians and they are living like the devil, they are phonies.
Very few people represent God. But that does not mean they are not saved. It just means God is very strict in who He allows to speak for Him. They have to take their Priesthood serious. 1Peter2:9 "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."

Paul warns us to be careful Romans 11 "21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. 22 Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off."
 
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I feel your hurt, disappointment and confusion and understand completely. The church as we know it, especially here in the west, has come to a point where a fork in the road is coming into view. We are entering the valley of decision.

Up till now, it has been relatively easy to be a worldly Christian. No one really noticed because it was ‘normal’ Christian behavior. But as we approach the coming darkness, the contrast between the Spirit and the flesh is increasingly shown.

Although it is a hard time for you, realize there are others, many others who feel the same way. The church right now is a mixture of wheat and tares, sheep and goats. Unfortunately, the sheep have not lifted the goats up to their level, but visa versa.

Thus we see a church body content with assurance of eternal life, but with no pressing desire to be like Him, to walk in purity and love and holiness. Why is this? Simply because we have been taught that real victory over our flesh is impossible. Thus, the temptations we are daily assailed with hit their mark, because our shields of faith are down. The world and it’s baubles pull ever harder at us, and because we believe we cannot truly walk as overcomers, then we have followed the world’s definition of success as our church model.

But take heart, dear brother, change, glorious change is coming. The church is about to be awakened and when that happens, the separation of the sheep and the goats will finally occur. The true saints of God will awake to who they truly are, new creatures, sojourner sin this world, and with this understanding, they will finally hold their shields of faith high and find they truly do what Jesus promised they will do. Every arrow cast at usby the enemy of our souls will be quenched.

We will finally fully comprehend the hope of His calling for us, that we walk as overcomers in this life, with sin and self love replaced by holiness and abundant fruits of the Spirit.

The amazing thing about this is that it is not for the strong, but for the weak. It is when we come to the place of having no strength that we finally can look totally away from us and our feeble efforts and look to Jesus to change us from religious to righteous saints.

You are blessed in that you see the many shortcomings that seem to be growing daily in our churches. That does not make our situation more pleasant, as true fellowship is difficult to find right now. Just know that God foretold this and it is temporary.

His return for us is near, and He is not coming back for a fruitless, worldly, lukewarm bride. We are the blessed generation that will see the church returned to its former glory. Keep your eyes on Jesus Himself. He will not disappoint you.

Blessings,
Gideon

Yeah, but he said other Christians are hurting his faith. He shouldn't let that happen. You surely wouldn't it doesn't seem.
 
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(I was in the service in 1974-1978 and actively worked against communist infiltration into the U.S. and still do not understand why we are doing any business with Communist China, their allies, Russia, or any communist country.)
Because not everyone of them is a card carrying member of the communist party. We could not fight Hitler and Stalin at the same time. We had to choose and they made a choice to support Stalin. Hitler did not understand that at all. He did not understand why we would choose Stalin over him.
 
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Very few people represent God. But that does not mean they are not saved. It just means God is very strict in who He allows to speak for Him. They have to take their Priesthood serious. 1Peter2:9 "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."

Paul warns us to be careful Romans 11 "21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. 22 Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off."

I like this:
The Workers in the Vineyard.** and he said to them, ‘You too go into my vineyard, and I will give you what is just.’* a When it was evening the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Summon the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and ending with the first.’* Did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage?* Take what is yours and go. What if I wish to give this last one the same as you?* Thus, the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

...There is time for everyone, even if It's just prior to their final breath.
 
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"The message in verse 16, “the last will be first, and the first last,” is that no matter how long or how hard a believer works during his lifetime, the reward of eternal life will be the same given to all"

...Thanks be to GOD.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/parable-laborers-vineyard.html
1cor3 "14 If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as one being snatched from the fire. "
 
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OP it’s Tares vs Wheat and Goats vs Sheep. Not everyone who is at church is really a Christian. Some are there with hidden agendas and not for God.

Also, Everyone will disappoint you in life not just “Christians”.

Yes this is extremely true. There are a lot of great pretenders in the church.
A lot of people think church is just this safe haven where youre protected from the outside world... but the devil is there too. Trying to operate in leaders there, create division among the members and get you to turn from God.

I think another thing to remember is that people are in different spiritual stages in life.
So I think many are still trying to understand how to put the word in action ...others are probably
eager but not yet ready to give up control to God yet (none of this exscuses bad behavior..just saying not everyone isnt where you are)

Like the person I quoted stated ... everyone will disappoint you. Ive learned not to get wrapped up in titles like "Christian and pastor or apostle ect" were still human so I try to give people room to be human and mess up. God does for us..His grace and mercy is new every morning.

Also its good to remain humble, its easy to look at everyone else and see how ungodly they are but when we were unsaved we were just like that in God's eyes... and we ourselves also fall short everyday... and Jesus who was God himself sat among sinners... sothere's no reason you should isolate yourself...

Youre supposed to be a light..it can't shine when it's hidden.
 
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Because not everyone of them is a card carrying member of the communist party. We could not fight Hitler and Stalin at the same time. We had to choose and they made a choice to support Stalin. Hitler did not understand that at all. He did not understand why we would choose Stalin over him.
That was then. I am talking about sending all of our manufacturing to China. Working with Russia in regards to gas and oil and the billions behind the scenes that Russia does.
 
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