Can a person never sin again?

John 8:11
She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

would Jesus tells us to sin no more if it was not possible?

devin553344 said:

I think I see his point. The bible doesn't declare any saints, churches do? Or does the bible declare saints? I'm at a loss for remembrance. But I do remember the apostles wanting to build a tabernacle for Moses and Elias and were chastised for it [Matthew 17:4]

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The bible, in the new testament scripture, declares anyone who believes in Christs death burial and resurrection... as saints.

I listed these scriptures in post #101.

I am assuming that this poster is referring to the people that have been given this super elite title of Sainthood as it pertains to the Catholic Church. They have to be proven of a certain number of miracles or some other method of human measure. Then they are held as some icon or super human religious super hero.....

I don't know if that poster is RC or not and I am not totally educated in all the steps and achievements that must be accomplished to receive sainthood. However, the word of God calls all of Christ's children "saints". I'm not trying to start a debate with the RC posters here either. They have their view and I have mine. I just wanted to be clear on what they meant by the statement of post #87

Dorothy Mae said:

No, sometimes it does not at all.

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When you are obeying the Lord's commandments, thereby making him happy, what is preventing you from being happy?

Archivist said:

Yes, but I think sins of omission are more common. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.

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I see a lot of sexual immorality, substance abuse, and pride - those sins need to be addressed, also, don't you think?

Dorothy Mae said:

Are all the people in the church you attend or all the christians you know perfect in thought, word and deed? Do they all have a tender, responsive heart all the time 24/7? If not, why not?

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Because they still struggle with sin. That doesn't mean their hearts have not been changed.

Dorothy Mae said:

Is everyone at your church talking to others with a tender, responsive heart? Is every christian on this site like that? If not, something is wrong with your understanding of what this means in reality. (They are not 100% like that in any church I was in so the word written has some requirements on our part ot it does not happen which is what I have seen in Christianity.)

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I never said that anyone had reached perfection. I said there hearts had been changed. If we believe that our hearts are still evil, this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. We are promised transformation. If we are not seeing any change, we are not fully trusting in God to help us.

dreadnought said:

When you are obeying the Lord's commandments, thereby making him happy, what is preventing you from being happy?

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I understand your point here.

However, nobody, not even God, promised that if we are Christians.... even the best Christians.... there is no promise of "happiness". Joy... yes. Hope, yes. Eternal life, yes. Happiness.... never a promise.

In fact, if you are a Christian and you are living life on easy street with no issues, no problems, no hurdles, no controversy.... then you need to ask how close is your walk with Christ.

Many people have told me that the more closely you walk with God and the more Christian, real Christian, you are in your life..... the more trials it seems that you will have. .

So, if things are smooth... you're either coming to a trial or you are too lukewarm... Just my opinion.

JacksBratt said:

I understand your point here.

However, nobody, not even God, promised that if we are Christians.... even the best Christians.... there is no promise of "happiness". Joy... yes. Hope, yes. Eternal life, yes. Happiness.... never a promise.

In fact, if you are a Christian and you are living life on easy street with no issues, no problems, no hurdles, no controversy.... then you need to ask how close is your walk with Christ.

Many people have told me that the more closely you walk with God and the more Christian, real Christian, you are in your life..... the more trials it seems that you will have. .

So, if things are smooth... you're either coming to a trial or you are too lukewarm... Just my opinion.

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I think we can assume that the Lord's way will make us happy.

JacksBratt said:

I understand your point here.

However, nobody, not even God, promised that if we are Christians.... even the best Christians.... there is no promise of "happiness". Joy... yes. Hope, yes. Eternal life, yes. Happiness.... never a promise.

In fact, if you are a Christian and you are living life on easy street with no issues, no problems, no hurdles, no controversy.... then you need to ask how close is your walk with Christ.

Many people have told me that the more closely you walk with God and the more Christian, real Christian, you are in your life..... the more trials it seems that you will have. .

So, if things are smooth... you're either coming to a trial or you are too lukewarm... Just my opinion.

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The Holy Ghost fills us with joy which makes one happy . So even though we suffer trials, we are happy more often then not. This is the fruits of the Holy Spirit:

Galatians:
{5:22} But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, {5:23} Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

dreadnought said:

I think we can assume that the Lord's way will make us happy.

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I would have to disagree. We can walk in the will of God and have joy... but there will always be things that will challenge what most would call "happiness".

For instance... a daughter of son moving in with their boyfriend without marriage. Or a car accident leaving you financially tight or without the ability to work.

This is not happiness. However, we can still have joy in the trials not being worse than they are. Or the people we can witness to while we go through them.

This is why the scriptures say "count it all joy" but there is no promise of being "happy".

Loren T. said:

I never said that anyone had reached perfection. I said there hearts had been changed. If we believe that our hearts are still evil, this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. We are promised transformation. If we are not seeing any change, we are not fully trusting in God to help us.

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Well i don’t see that as the reason people continue to pursue their own happiness at the expense of others. James said we have not because we ask not. Then we ask and do not receive not because we don’t trust but because we ask with wrong motives. We sin because it gives us happiness (pleasure.) That’s the reason God gives for us sinning, not we don’t trust God enough.

Loren T. said:

Because they still struggle with sin. That doesn't mean their hearts have not been changed.

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So uh they still sin the same as before but their hearts have been changed. Is that a name it claim it belief despite the truth?

dreadnought said:

When you are obeying the Lord's commandments, thereby making him happy, what is preventing you from being happy?

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Suffering, denying self, going without comforts, for some.

dreadnought said:

I see a lot of sexual immorality, substance abuse, and pride - those sins need to be addressed, also, don't you think?

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When did I say they shouldn’t be addressed? Christians need to address all the sin in their lives. That doesn’t mean that they will ever stop sinning.

RaymondG said:

I would not trust the claims of one boasting that they are sinless either....

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I’ve always tested them and found that they read that they are sinless from some Bibke verse, ignore their actual behavior to others and that was then their position. How they really behave is irrelevant to them. It’s not to those who live with them.

Which 'Jesus' ? (so many make up their own )

DaveM said:

would Jesus tells us to sin no more if it was not possible?

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The lost souls everywhere all around us.
The spikes holding one to an execution stake.
The 10,000 children dying of thirst every month, month after month, because of all the government's and corporation's and church's greed and deception.

dreadnought said:

When you are obeying the Lord's commandments, thereby making him happy, what is preventing you from being happy?

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JIMINZ said:

Then that's an affirmative, you do believe Christians can and do sin,
as per 1 Cor. 6

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Well, in the chapter, Paul acknowledges both that the Corinthians were sinning and that they were doing so as born-again believers. So, yes, Scripture makes it clear that Christians can and do sin.

JIMINZ said:

But if a Believer is someone which has been Freed From Sin, and a Christian sins, isn't that an oxymoron?

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Believers are freed from the power of sin, not its presence. The "old man" is held impotent on the cross of Christ until the believer chooses to live under his control again. If they make such a choice, they return to the carnal condition of the Corinthian believers Paul rebuked. (1 Corinthians 3:1-3). It is certainly sad that Christians don't live in the light of the identification truths of Romans 6 and "reckon themselves dead unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus." Many Christians have no idea what the identification truths are, so it is no surprise that they don't live in accord with them. You won't live like a millionaire if you don't know you're one. And even when they do know, there is a contest that occurs between the new life in Christ they possess and the old sinful habits of thought and behaviour and the fleshly impulses to which they have been used to surrendering. Many believers are surprised by the weight of the current of a sinful life when they begin to stand against it and live in conformity to Romans 6.

JacksBratt said:

I would have to disagree. We can walk in the will of God and have joy... but there will always be things that will challenge what most would call "happiness".

For instance... a daughter of son moving in with their boyfriend without marriage. Or a car accident leaving you financially tight or without the ability to work.

This is not happiness. However, we can still have joy in the trials not being worse than they are. Or the people we can witness to while we go through them.

This is why the scriptures say "count it all joy" but there is no promise of being "happy".

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I think part of what makes the Lord great is that we will all be happy.

Dorothy Mae said:

Suffering, denying self, going without comforts, for some.

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When we sin we will suffer, yes.
It is good to refrain from selfishness, yes.
If we get jobs, we can afford necessary comforts, can't we?