Evolution becomes theory, theory becomes word (Word becomes guide)

grasping the after wind said:

It is bizarre that you encountered that. In my experience, albeit long, long ago in an age far gone, most teachers had some things they simply refused to explore with their students. My first taste of a teacher unwilling to answer questions that dealt with a fundamental issue was in a science class and he made it a point in the first class to warn us not to question the theory of evolution as evolution was fact and there could be no question about that and no need for him to prove it to us. I also had a biology teacher that constantly assured us that no question was stupid and then made it clear on several occasions that there actually were many he considered to be. My religion teachers always seemed to have answers to our questions. Not all of those answers made sense to me but they always had answers of some kind. One nun's answer as to why we can break open an egg and not find a baby chick was very inventive and completely ridiculous. When I entered High School the first thing one of the Franciscan teachers said was to ignore everything the nuns told us because most likely it was wrong.

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Speaking as a former teacher, there are some things that you need to establish as fact quickly and move on, otherwise you risk miring the whole curriculum debating something that's actually irrelevant to the subject being taught and the outcomes you want for them.

Questioning evolution in science class is like questioning the origin and history of the English language during an a poetry class. It's actually irrelevant to what's being taught and would only mire the class in irrelevant discussion and debate.

Yet, if the idea that English resulted from a one-off cataclysmic event in the Levant about ~4500 years ago that created all languages was as popular as the rejection of evolution is, I'd bet there would be English teachers that would precis their classes the same way.

It isn't about words. Its about understanding processes. I think this is a hangup religious people have with science in general. They operate on authority and the words of authority. Even when they speak of understanding they are doing it under the umbrella of the authority of the holy spirit and of god. This is why they fixate on definitions and people like Dawkins or Hawking instead of engaging the ideas they bring up. To them, that's how knowledge works and once you learn something from a "master" then it can't change or it's wrong.

That's not how science works. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what Dawkins or Gould or Kimura or Hawking say so much as what they can show and demonstrate and compare and contrast to previous knowledge. They all have their opinions and they are all various degrees of wrong just like everyone else. What matters is how it compares to knowledge we've accumulated through observation of reality through time.

AV1611VET said:

Solomon spoke of [pre-science] evolution.

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No such thing.

Gottservant said:

Just for the record, I did not actually question "Evolution".

Any theory made with words has to have a working component.

I was merely asking what that component was.

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I'm sorry, but that question doesn't make sense.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

No such thing.

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I'll take what Solomon said over any academian any day of the week.

AV1611VET said:

I'll take what Solomon said over any academian any day of the week.

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You have every right too, but there is zero sense of reason or even faith to do so.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

You have every right too, but there is zero sense of reason or even faith to do so.

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I'll find something.

AV1611VET said:

I'll take what Solomon said over any academian any day of the week.

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You saw sagacious Solomon
You know what came of him
To him, complexities seemed plain
He cursed the hour that gave birth to him
And saw that everything was vain
How great and wise was Solomon
The world, however, did not wait
But soon observed what followed on
It's wisdom that had brought him to this state
How fortunate the man with none


You saw courageous Caesar next
You know what he became
They deified him in his life
Then had him murdered just the same
And as they raised the fatal knife
How loud he cried "you too my son!"
The world, however, did not wait
But soon observed what followed on
It's courage that had brought him to that state
How fortunate the man with none


You heard of honest Socrates
The man who never lied
They weren't so grateful as you'd think
Instead the rulers fixed to have him tried
And handed him the poisoned drink
How honest was the people's noble son
The world, however, did not wait
But soon observed what followed on
It's honesty that brought him to that state
How fortunate the man with none


Here you can see respectable folk
Keeping to God's own laws
So far he hasn't taken heed
You who sit safe and warm indoors
Help to relieve out bitter need
How virtuously we had begun
The world, however, did not wait
But soon observed what followed on
It's fear of God that brought us to that state
How fortunate the man with none

Gottservant said:

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(ps. schizophrenia is not a curse, if you make more sense in the end)

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I dont believe in curses, but no, I’m not belitteling you for your condition. I’m just explaining why your posts are hard to understand.

VirOptimus said:

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And now we see a scientist
Steeped in all his pride
Doing what he does best
And polluting us with Thalidomide

And if that wasn't good enough
Because of what came after
He built an O-ring, solid and tough
That killed seven people at NASA

You'd think they'd learn from time to time
And do something right for a change
But fame and fortune beckons them
To work on something strange

AV1611VET said:

And now we see a scientist
Steeped in all his pride
Doing what he does best
And polluting us with Thalidomide

And if that wasn't good enough
Because of what came after
He built an O-ring, solid and tough
That killed seven people at NASA

You'd think they'd learn from time to time
And do something right for a change
But fame and fortune beckons them
To work on something strange

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Stop bringing these up! They have nothing to do with evolution, so this is just trolling at this point.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Stop bringing these up! They have nothing to do with evolution, so this is just trolling at this point.

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He just love revelling in death and misery. Weird.

VirOptimus said:

He just love revelling in death and misery. Weird.

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AV1611VET said:

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Big difference compared to what you do. This has been explained to you a myriad of times.

"My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted."

com7fy8 said:

I think Gottservant means there could be a certain word which is a key word which has you meditating on evolution and which opens your mind up to your ideas about evolution and has you feeding on what you consider to be its benefits.

And Gottservant means that there is at least one key word of Jesus, which can have us meditating on and considering various things of being with God in His love.

@Gottservant > Is this what you mean?

By the way, one word for me would be "love". Also, we need God's "correction" > Hebrews 12:4-11.

So, a question could be > what do your key words about evolution bring you to thinking about? What do they get for you?

Do you become more self-dependent, in considering evolution?

With Jesus, we become more and more God-dependent . . . since He is so superior to us and better for us than we have been for ourselves.

So, which way does evolutionary theory bring you?

Maybe this is what Gottservant means.

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Don't read too deeply into it, Gottservant just skipped out on his meds again. That's not a joke, he's mentioned needing to take medications relating to mental processes before. He must have been keeping up with the pills until recently, since I haven't seen him on here in a while.

Gottservant said:

Just for the record, I did not actually question "Evolution".

Any theory made with words has to have a working component.

I was merely asking what that component was.

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Is, since the theory still exists, and there are multiple factors that contribute to evolution. Genetic drift, mutation, and natural selection are the most common ones discussed on here, with occassional references to sexual selection.