Is the 1000 year kingdom literal?

Riberra · Aug 9, 2018

Erik Nelson said:
Amils are correct, the kingdom = the church did begin with Christ in the first century and has continued seamlessly since.

The Church is not the Kingdom ...THE KINGDOM OF JESUS WILL BEGIN WHEN JESUS WILL COME AT HIS SECOND COMING TO REIGN WITH THE RESURRECTED SAINTS MARTYRS ON THE EARTH [Revelation 20:4-6 ]

The AMILS are terrorized with the fact that one Day ...Jesus will reign physically on the Earth.

Riberra · Aug 9, 2018

BABerean2 said:
If you want to believe that Satan and the rest of the wicked angels are still in heaven with God, and Christ, and the souls of our dead brothers and sisters that is your business.

BaB BaB BaB Revelation 12:10-11.

Revelation 12:9-12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The short time will be the 42 months reign of the Beast mentioned in Revelation 13 when Satan[the Dragon] AND The Beast/AC AND the False Prophet will reign over the Earth.

BABerean2 said:
However, you may want to ask yourself how Satan ended up in the Garden of Eden, if he was not cast down to the earth???

God allowed Satan to Enter the Garden of Eden to tempt Adam and Eve ..God wanted to see whom Adam and Eve will follow... with the consequence that Satan became the Prince of this World --- Sin and Death .

Do you remember that God was temporary absent at that moment Genesis 3.

BABerean2 · Aug 9, 2018

Riberra said:
BaB BaB BaB Revelation 12:10-11.

Revelation 12:9-12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The short time will be the 42 months reign of the Beast mentioned in Revelation 13 when Satan[the Dragon] AND The Beast/AC AND the False Prophet will reign over the Earth.

God allowed Satan to Enter the Garden of Eden to tempt Adam and Eve ..God wanted to see whom Adam and Eve will follow... with the consequence that Satan became the Prince of this World --- Sin and Death .

Do you remember that God was temporary absent at that moment Genesis 3.

You forgot something in the passage...

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Based on Psalm 2, who is the "man-child" who will rule with a rod of Iron?
When was He born, and when was He caught up to God and His throne?

Notice that the dragon and the one third of the angels who followed him are "cast" to the earth, before the birth and death of the "man-child".

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Riberra · Aug 9, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Based on Psalm 2, who is the "man-child" who will rule with a rod of Iron?
When was He born, and when was He caught up to God and His throne?

Notice that the dragon and the one third of the angels who followed him are "cast" to the earth, before the birth and death of the "man-child".

Revelation 12:1-5 is about the Birth and also WHEN Jesus have ascended to Heaven.

Thus Satan who will be cast down out of Heaven with his angels Revelation 12:7-12 happen AFTER...and have not happened yet.

2tim_215 · Aug 9, 2018

BABerean2 said:
You forgot something in the passage...

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Based on Psalm 2, who is the "man-child" who will rule with a rod of Iron?
When was He born, and when was He caught up to God and His throne?

Notice that the dragon and the one third of the angels who followed him are "cast" to the earth, before the birth and death of the "man-child".

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This is debatable, whether it happened or whether it's going to happen. Let's say it did already then when do you think it was? Do you think Satan is already down here and we have fallen agnels running all over the place?

BABerean2 · Aug 9, 2018

2tim_215 said:
Do you think Satan is already down here and we have fallen agnels running all over the place?

Mat_4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Mat_8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Mat_8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Mar 5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Mar 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Luk_22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

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Riberra · Aug 9, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Mat_4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Mat_8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Mat_8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

When was the last time that you have cast out demons ?
The 12 Apostles were given the power BY JESUS to cast out demons ..that Jesus call UNCLEAN SPIRITS somewhere else in the Bible.

These unclean spirits are the disincarnated Spirits of the Nephilims [Giants]of Genesis 6:4-6 who have been destroyed in the Flood, who are roaming the Earth in search of a body to possess.

BABerean2 · Aug 9, 2018

Riberra said:
These unclean spirits are the disincarnated Spirits of the Nephilims [Giants]of Genesis 6:4-6 who have been destroyed in the Flood, who are roaming the Earth in search of a body to possess.

That is not what you have claimed before.
Make up your mind.

In the past you claimed the Nephilims were chained and found in the scripture below.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Which story is the truth?

Was it a Nephilim who went into Judas in Luke 22:3?

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DavidPT · Aug 9, 2018

Erik Nelson said:
The destruction of Heaven and Earth sounds like revelation 20:10.

Isaiah 24 = revelation 20?

Can you expand on this further? Because I too agree Isaiah 24 = Revelation 20, but probably not for the same reasons you might though.

Riberra · Aug 9, 2018

BABerean2 said:
That is not what you have claimed before.
Make up your mind.

In the past you claimed the Nephilims were chained and found in the scripture below.

No, I said the angels who have participated to Genesis 6:4-6 ...were punished that is 2Pe_2:4 ... Jud_1:6 the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation....
-If you have read Genesis 6:4-6 you should know by now that the Nephilims [Gibbors /Giants 9 to 12 Feet tall] were their childs.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

BABerean2 said:
Which story is the truth?

Was it a Nephilim who went into Judas in Luke 22:3?

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

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Was it a Nephilim who went into Judas in Luke 22:3?

These are 2 different story that YOU try to make one and the same.

The text in Luke 22:3 say clearly that SATAN entered into[Posseseded] Satanic Possession] Juda Iscariot.
3 And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

BABerean2 · Aug 9, 2018

Riberra said:
These unclean spirits are the disincarnated Spirits of the Nephilims [Giants]of Genesis 6:4-6 who have been destroyed in the Flood, who are roaming the Earth in search of a body to possess.

Can you show us one verse of scripture which says the "devils" found in the New Testament are the spirits of the Nephilim?

Can you explain why the wicked angels that created the Nephilim were bound, but not the other wicked angels?

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Riberra · Aug 9, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Can you show us one verse of scripture which says the "devils" found in the New Testament are the spirits of the Nephilim?

Jesus never use the term Fallen Angels during possession cases....but IMPUR or Unclean SPIRITS ....

BABerean2 said:
Can you explain why the wicked angels that created the Nephilim were bound, but not the other wicked angels?

Very simple ...the others angels have not participated to what is described in Genesis 6:4-6
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Their sin is described in Jude_1:6

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

BABerean2 · Aug 9, 2018

Riberra said:
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Do you believe that the other angels who rebelled against God did not sin?

Do you believe good angels in heaven now will one day turn against God and join Satan?

Why do you think Satan can go into Judas in Luke 22:3, but the other angels who followed him cannot go into men?

Why does the New Testament text use the word "devils" for many of the evil spirits which were inside of people during the first century?

Were the Nephilim "devils"?

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keras · Aug 9, 2018

DavidPT said:
Can you expand on this further? Because I too agree Isaiah 24 = Revelation 20, but probably not for the same reasons you might though.

Plainly, Isaiah 24 is the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, which happens at the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event.
Revelation 20:7-15 happens at the end of the Millennium.

Can't BaBerean and Riberra see what a waste of space they post?
Please, guys, this forum is becoming not worth the bother of looking here.

Riberra · Aug 10, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Do you believe that the other angels who rebelled against God did not sin?

They will be punished in due time and Satan as well Revelation 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
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10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

BABerean2 said:
Do you believe good angels in heaven now will one day turn against God and join Satan?

The angels who have followed Satan in his rebellion long before there was humans on the Earth were originally good angels ----Lucifer/Satan also was a good angel....before iniquity was found in him

BABerean2 said:
Why do you think Satan can go into Judas in Luke 22:3, but the other angels who followed him cannot go into men?

Satan have done this for the purpose of killing Jesus ,Satan have not Stayed in the body of Judas Iscariot

BABerean2 said:
Why does the New Testament text use the word "devils" for many of the evil spirits which were inside of people during the first century?

BABerean2 said:
Were the Nephilim "devils"?

Now you got it ....the disacarnated spirits of the Nephilim is what the Bible call devils or demons or UNCLEAN SIPRITS.
The Nephilim [Gibbors /Giants]were reputed for their EVIL behavior.

Riberra · Aug 10, 2018

keras said:
Plainly, Isaiah 24 is the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, which happens at the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event.

Something far more devastator will happen at the 7TH Vial ....Revelation 16:17-19 ....this is what is described in Isaiah 24 ...

Revelation 16:17-19
17 And the seventh poured out his bowl upon the air; and there came forth a great voice out of the temple, from the throne, saying, It is done: 18 and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunders; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since there were men upon the earth, so great an earthquake, so mighty.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

keras · Aug 10, 2018

Riberra said:
Something far more devastator will happen at the 7TH Vial ....Revelation 16:17-19 ....this is what is described in Isaiah 24 ...

Note that 'earthquake' is not mentioned in Isaiah 24; just the earths foundations shake. This is paralleled by Revelation 6:14b....every mountain and island moved from their place.
It will be a tectonic plate shift, very dramatic, but not a bad as shallow eq's.
Triggered by:
Deuteronomy 32:22 Fire will blaze in My anger,.....and the flames reach to the depths of the mountains. This describes the microwave effect of the massive CME that the Lord will send out on His Day of wrath.
There will be more and worse eq's ; the Gog/Magog destruction and again at the 7th Bowl.

BABerean2 · Aug 10, 2018

Riberra said:
Now you got it ....the disacarnated spirits of the Nephilim is what the Bible call devils or demons or UNCLEAN SIPRITS.
The Nephilim [Gibbors /Giants]were reputed for their EVIL behavior.

Can you provide any scripture, or at least a well-know commentary, for the viewpoint above?

Otherwise, it is coming from the Riberra version of the Bible.

Mar 5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

(KJV+) AndG2532 allG3956 theG3588 devilsG1142 besoughtG3870 him,G846 saying,G3004 SendG3992 usG2248 intoG1519 theG3588 swine,G5519 thatG2443 we may enterG1525 intoG1519 them.G846

G1142
δαίμων
daimōn
dah'ee-mown
From δαίω daiō (to distribute fortunes); a demon or super natural spirit (of a bad nature): - devil.
Total KJV occurrences: 5

Are you claiming that Satan can enter a man, but the other wicked angels cannot?

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Erik Nelson · Aug 10, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Can you provide any scripture, or at least a well-know commentary, for the viewpoint above

DavidPT · Aug 10, 2018

keras said:
Plainly, Isaiah 24 is the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath, which happens at the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event.
Revelation 20:7-15 happens at the end of the Millennium.

Can't BaBerean and Riberra see what a waste of space they post?
Please, guys, this forum is becoming not worth the bother of looking here.

In Isaiah 24:22 it consists of two phases of punishment.

Isaiah 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

1st phase of punishment----And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison

2nd and final phase of punishment----and after many days shall they be visited.

The 1st phase of punishment involves events from the 6th seal, like you said, and it also involves the events recorded in Revelation 19:19-21 and Revelation 20:1-3.

The 2nd and final phase of punishment, that involves Revelation 20:7-15, and that is after the millennium just like you indicated. Who are you then meaning it's a waste of space when they post? Me?

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