Who is Gog of the land of Magog?

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For example, Israel against the Nations/Gentiles, the Gentiles against the camp of the Jews. And in the New Testament, that can only be the Church, not national Israel.

You are 100% on point!

The unbelieving Jews of the 1st Century, were and are become the Gentile nation of the world, divorced from the commonwealth of Christ's Israel, to whom all power, authority and majesty was transfered to. That is why Jesus Christ is called the Kingly High Priest of Israel, to whom God the Father promised that David's throne will not be left with no man sitting on it, yet the Messiah did come and approached the Ancient of Days at his ascension, to be given a Kingdom and he reigns supreme through his Kingdom Church on Earth.

Zechariah 14:1-3 supports your interpretation.....

1A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2I will gather all the Gentile nations (inclusive of unbelieving Jews) to Jerusalem My Church, to fight against it; My Church city will be captured/infiltrated, the houses of prayer ransacked, and the women/denominations raped. Half of the Church city will go into exile (divorced from Christ), but the rest of the people/Christians will not be taken from My Church city. 3Then the Lord will go out and fight against those Gentile nations, as he fights on a day of battle.
 
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Ezekiel 38/39 is the OT version of Rev 20:7-9.
They are the very same prophetic event.

Ezekiel 37 [regathered Israel under the rule of
God's New David = Christ]... is the OT version
of Rev 20's 1000 year reign with Christ. This
has come and gone... it was the Church age
which was followed by the secular falling away
and current rebellion against God... for which
God sends Gog/Magog as our punishment and
catalyst of God's divine intervention.

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There is an interesting prophetic relationship between Gog/Magog at the end of the age and Pharaoh at the beginning. God uses both villains the same way, as a catalyst for God's divine intervention.

God hardened the heart of Pharaoh so he would NOT let Israel go. God puts hooks in Gog's jaws to bring Gog's globalist forces against the land of God's people.

God defeated Pharaoh's forces, liberated ancient Israel from Egypt and brought Israel into their Promise Land. In a similar way, God defeats Gog's global forces, liberates Christian Israel and brings them into the New Jerusalem.

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Here's more info [see my previous post.]


For the scripture said to Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Romans 9:17


You will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land. In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.

Ezekiel 38:16

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Ezekiel 38/39 is the OT version of Rev 20:7-9.
They are the very same prophetic event.

With reference to the Revelation of Jesus in Revelation 20:7-9......

Satan within the 1st Century Context was chained from using the unbelieving Gentile nations of the world, inclusive of the unbelieving Gentile Jews (Acts 4:15-20) from preventing Christ's Church Israel from preaching the gospel to the ends of the earth, even until the Gentiles come to full, before Satan is released to wage war on the commonwealth of Israel, that is His Church.

Satan is released before the White Throne final judgment, when Jesus returns and he defeats the final enemy death and then Satan is destroyed in the Lake of Fire. The first heaven and the first earth are no more and Jesus becomes subject to the Father. (1 Corinthians 15:27-28)

As Apostle Paul states Christ must continue to reign through his anointed two witnesses, that is his Church Israel of God, before he can come, at the appointed time after his Church Israel is martyred in a world wide Calvary and then salvation is removed from the gentile world of unbelievers, inclusive of the gentile unbelieving Jews. (1 Corinthians 15:23-28)

Ezekiel 37 [regathered Israel under the rule of
God's New David = Christ]... is the OT version
of Rev 20's 1000 year reign with Christ. This
has come and gone... it was the Church age
which was followed by the secular falling away
and current rebellion against God... for which
God sends Gog/Magog as our punishment and
catalyst of God's divine intervention.

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New David Jesus Christ according to Daniel's prophetic vision, was when the Messiah came and was crucified for the sins of many Gentile nations, inclusive of the Gentile Jews, then ascended up on high, approaching the ancient of days and was given all dominion, authority and power and the Kingdom, as declared in Daniel 2:44. So as prophesied.......

5The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

6In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The Lord Our Righteous Savior. (Jeremiah 23:5-6)

It is Jesus Christ our Lord, who came 2000 years ago and who sat on David's throne and who ministers on our behalves in the Holy of Holies as our High Priest Melchizedek.....

13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13-14)

Daniel 2:44 fulfilled in Christ Jesus at his first advent and ascension.

"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. (Daniel 2:44)

The end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (1 Corinthians 15:24-25)

Jesus has throughout the last 2000 years and counting been reigning through his Kingdom Church Israel, as our our Kingly High Priest David. He will continue to reign by making subjects of the world, through his Cross, inclusive of the unbelieving Gentile Jews. After he has done this, then the end will come, when he returns and becomes subject to the Father, as God will be all in all the saved who are written in the book of Life at his return, at the final judgment.

Christ's Kingdom Church Israel IS NOT like the national kingdom that was in the Old Covenant times, but is spiritual and heavenly. The Jews rejected their Messiah because they were looking for a national fleshly Kingdom on earth, like the olden times of their fathers.

I will establish your royal throne over Israel forever, as I promised David your father when I said, 'You shall never fail to have a successor on the throne of Israel. 1 Kings 9:5)

Christ Jesus continues to reign through his Kingdom Church Israel, as our Kingly High Priest Melchizedek, for the last 2000 years and counting and will do so until he destroys all enemies and the final enemy death at his return, when this first earth and first heaven will flee from his presence and be no more.

17For this is what the Lord says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel, 18nor will the Levitical priests ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.’ ” (Jeremiah 33:17-18)

Amen in Christ Jesus as our Kingly High Priest who ministers on our behalves in the Heavenly Holy of Holies.
 
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God hardened the heart of Pharaoh so he would NOT let Israel go. God puts hooks in Gog's jaws to bring Gog's globalist forces against the land of God's people.

Land to God, is a dwelling place, where two or more are gathered in His Holy Name. So the gathering of a Christian congregation is considered land by God's definition, within the New Testament context of land, owing to having a mind governed by the Holy Spirit of God (Roman's 8).

The land of God's people Israel is his Christ's Church congregation, the many women described in Zechariah 14:2.

1A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem (peaceful dwelling land), my Holy Church Congregation, when your possessions (spiritual, that is gifts of the Spirit) will be plundered and divided up within your very walls (congregations).

2I will gather all the unbelieving Gentile nations, inclusive of the unbelieving gentile Jews to Jerusalem (peaceful dwelling place) to fight against it; the city Church will be captured/infiltrated, the houses of prayer ransacked, and the women/denominations raped. Half of the city Church will go into exile and be left desolate, but the rest of the people of God's Church Israel will not be taken from the city Church.3Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. (Zechariah 14:1-3)

God defeated Pharaoh's forces, liberated ancient Israel from Egypt and brought Israel into their Promise Land. In a similar way, God defeats Gog's global forces, liberates Christian Israel and brings them into the New Jerusalem.

God liberates his Christians Church Israel, at the cost of loosing half the Church City to apostasy in the last days before his brilliant return, owing to the Falling Away from the faith once given to th Apostolic saints.

This time a fire of judgment from heaven, similar to Noah's days will usher in the extinction protocol that God has set in motion according to His word (2 Peter 3).
 
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Here's more info [see my previous post.]


For the scripture said to Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Romans 9:17


You will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land. In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.

Ezekiel 38:16

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We can discern that the final battle is a war being waged by the Prince of this world aka Pharaoh and his people aka the Assyrian (Isaiah 14), against God's Kingdom Church Israel.

The poetic language reiterates the descriptive language used in Zechariah 14:1-3.

The vindication of God's Holiness claim, must also in the past tense participle of the verb vindicated, means that his land, pointing to his Church congregation of Christ Israel indicates his Holy presence. So God is claiming to vindicate his past and present tense Holy Presence, through the last 2000 years and counting Messianic Kingdom establishment, his Kingdom Church Israel. God vindicates as he did to his servant Job, the righteousness of his Son's Church, as the reflection of his residing Holiness and this indicates that those unbelieving nations, inclusive of the unbelieving Gentile Jews, are with Ma-Gog.

The fleshly nation of Zionist Israel could be Gog. Whether it is one way or the other, be it Gog or Ma-Gog, these are the vehicles of Satan by which the final war is being waged with the lamb of God.

Look at how ISIS, the tool of the brothers in crime Washington and Zionists have scripted through Obama as their opening spokesman and Trump as their main spokesman, a trial by fire of Christianity throughout the Middle East, by beheadings and this is the battle that is being alluded to where God's Holiness has been trampled upon and his Son's land congregation of believers have been martyred by the encircling armies of pharaoh aka the Assyrian.

Washington and Zionists, along with their European cohorts, with their alliance with the Islamic version of the Nihilists are the gentile nations of Gog and Ma-Gog, who now are waging war against the Lamb of God and this will spread to the western world, owing to the purposeful influx by design of fundamentalist Islamists from terrorist hotbeds. These Islamist Nihilits are given one hour as Kings to wreck havoc upon the Holy Land in the Middle East, where Christianity was established from and flourished from.

The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

15Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

America some say is Mystery Babylon. A mother to the rest of the world, when it comes to economic trade and standing world army who rains down the fire of war against all who oppose its emperialist agenda. America one can say, is the mother of the gentile world and was established by the nations of the world.

So we have fleshly players waging war against the Lamb by the beheading and crucifixion of Christians in the Middle East. Christianity is made an example off and put on display to the islamic world, credits to obama the opening spokesman who showed to the Islamic world, how Christ is to be crucified again and again through his body of believers.

But the war being waged is two fold, one is physical, such as the case in the Middle East and the other is spiritual, in the case of western countries, where Christianity is being labelled as an intolerant religion, bordering on hate speech and much intimidation and bullying is being aroused by the enemy to have infiltrators to come within congregations and to try and profan the name of the Lord, through the abominations of homosexuality, transgenderism, transhumanism and in your face after school satanism.

The war is two fold and it is this Gog and Ma-Gog war, being waged against Christ's Church Israel.
 
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Because God has led me to understand the analogy between Pharaoh and Gog... now I wonder if there might be other related analogies. For example, God's last plague on Pharaoh/Egypt was the death of the first born. Esau/Edom was also the first born.

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FredVB said:
Magog is a name in a list of named nations in a genealogy shown in Genesis 11, as are other names of nations going with Magog against people of Israel in Ezekiel 38:2-6. These names are all linked to known nations, and Russians are known for their connection with people of Magog in the past. The weapons they use are reformed afterwards for peaceful purposes after a defined number of years, so it would not be the event with the Gog shown at the end of the millennium after the return of Jesus Christ to reign here on earth, which does not leave that prophesied event possible.

Satan being released will lead people from all nations in formation to attack the city from which Christ reigns, indeed in the end when the fire from heaven will vanquish those armies. But the passages from Ezekiel are not about that, for a time of relief will follow, when the weapons are to be remade into peaceful tools, and after interval the dead will be buried.

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Your carnal mind does not make any sense, Fred!

How are you saying my mind is carnal, as if your mind is not carnal? How are you determining what a carnal mind is?

You are trying to have two "Gog and Magog" battles here. You believe the first one with Ezekiel 38/39 with Russians as leading force against modern national Israel prior to 7-year tribulation, then the second with Revelation 20 with "all nations" after the thousand years of Christ's rule. You can't be right. If you insist that Russians "is" Magog, the leading force of Ezekiel 38 battle, then Russians should be the leading force of Revelation 20 again! How can the nation of Russia even exist at the end of your so-called physical millennial kingdom fable?!

See Revelation 20:9, the destruction of the armies of "Gog and Magog" directly, and then Revelation 20:11, the earth and its heavens are gone, and God judges all from the great white throne. Revelation is full of symbols with the names being used. As Mystery Babylon is not going to be literally Babylon of history, the expression Gog and Magog do not have to refer to the same enemy mentioned in prophecy in Ezekiel, where there is a lot of time in which many among the people of Israel will go set fire to all the weapons of those armies, to burn for seven years in Ezekiel 39:9, and the armies will be buried for seven months in Ezekiel 39:11 to 12. So if it referred to the same battle that would be a contradiction. This mind that you call carnal does not believe there is contradiction from what God reveals, so these different accounts would not be about the same battle. So one is sooner, and one, that in Revelation with a lot of symbolism, is the very last battle, in which the vast enemy is directly demolished from heaven, when the earth is then removed and the last judgment occurs, which is right after that.
 
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How are you saying my mind is carnal, as if your mind is not carnal? How are you determining what a carnal mind is?


1 Corinthians 2:12-14 KJV
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God defined the natural man as one with a carnal mind. If we both look at the same verses about Gog and Magog, which one of us will have God's interpretation? Carnal or Spiritual? That is the question!
 
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See Revelation 20:9, the destruction of the armies of "Gog and Magog" directly, and then Revelation 20:11, the earth and its heavens are gone, and God judges all from the great white throne.

The Gog and Magog invasion of Ezekiel 38 is the same as deceiving the nations in the four quarters of the earth by Gog of Revelation 20. The Second Coming and the White Throne Judgment occurs when Satan is captured and thrown into the Lake of Fire which spelled the end for His Army, Gog and Magog.

Revelation is full of symbols with the names being used.

Agreed if you compare Scripture with Scripture. In other words, comparing Revelation with the rest of the Scripture.

As Mystery Babylon is not going to be literally Babylon of history

Agreed, but historic Babylon was only a type or foreshadow of Mystery Babylon.

the expression Gog and Magog do not have to refer to the same enemy mentioned in prophecy in Ezekiel

Agreed. Again, the enemies of Old Testament Congregation of Israel were only a type for the enemies of New Testament Congregation, the Church! Our enemies are not some political nations or someone we need to fight with guns and missiles, but rather the false prophets and christs that are coming with deceiving power (ie. lying signs and wonders) empowered By Satan. It is a spiritual war THIS TIME which the PHYSICAL BATTLE Israel had as a type! Israel on this side of the Cross is the Church, not that modern Israel in the Middle East that are currently taught among the dispensationalists.

, where there is a lot of time in which many among the people of Israel will go set fire to all the weapons of those armies, to burn for seven years in Ezekiel 39:9, and the armies will be buried for seven months in Ezekiel 39:11 to 12.

I suggest that you study on the spiritual significance of numbers in Scripture. For example. The number two signifies the pillar and ground of the TRUTH. We are witnesses testify with TRUTH which is why God views us as His "two witnesses" not actual two indidivuals. Selah!

The number 10 signifies fullness of whatever is in view. For example, The 10 horns upon the beast of Revelation are ten kings had no kingdom as yet (when Revelation was written), but is prophesied to reign one hour with the beast. The ten horns signified the fullness of time (10) that these kings would have power (horns) to reign with the beast. So the fullness of time is a short season however long it may be. Again the number ten signifies that fullness of time.

Now we have number 7 which signifies completeness or totality. For example, the lamb having seven horns and seven eyes. Do you know what that means? Remember the horns symbolize Power so the seven horns signify the "totality" of his rule and power that Christ (lamb) has and his seven eyes illustrate the "totality" of the which of the Holy Spirit. Eyes equate to seeing/knowing. So the number seven here is numeric symbolism illustrating His presence over the totality of the world. Selah!

Now try applying the spiritual signification of seven to Ezekiel 39:9, 11-12 and think what God actually talked about here? Hint, this has nothing to do with seven literal years. Pray for wisdom of Christ.
 
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Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38/39 and Rev 20 are the OT and NT versions of the very same event, therefore it's the same Gog/Magog. It happens at the end of the age when Gog's global hordes are invading to destroy the "camp of the saints" when the power of God's holy people is totally broken [Daniel 12.] That's when God reveals Himself to His people via sending fire from heaven to destroy Gog/Magog [both the Ezekiel and Revelation versions end the same way, God's fire from heaven.]

Gog/Magog happens after the end of the symbolic '1000 year reign of Christ' over His people which was the European Church age that ended with the secular "age of enlightenment" which broke the power of God's holy people and has now ushered in globalist Gog/Magog.

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Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38/39 and Rev 20 are the OT and NT versions of the very same event, therefore it's the same Gog/Magog.

When was the OT version of Gog and Magog as described in Ezekiel 38? You do not make any sense.

It happens at the end of the age when Gog's global hordes are invading to destroy the "camp of the saints" when the power of God's holy people is totally broken [Daniel 12.]

Hold on. Let read what the verse said:

Daniel 12:7 KJV
[7] And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1.) What power is this?
2.) Who are the holy people in this side of the Cross?
3.) What did the holy people have the power for?

Show me the verses to back up with your answer.

Gog/Magog happens after the end of the symbolic '1000 year reign of Christ' over His people which was the European Church age that ended with the secular "age of enlightenment" which broke the power of God's holy people and has now ushered in globalist Gog/Magog.

No, The millennial kingdom is the church that started at Pentecost until the last Elect has been sealed. The number 1,000 signifies fullness of whatever is in view. so God is talking about the fullness of time to build His Church which is why He kept Satan in Bottomless pit until the Church is done with all Elect being sealed first!

After the last Elect has been sealed (Revelation 7:1-4), God will loosen Satan and allowed him to gather his army of Gog and Magog (false prophets and christs) to come into the church to TEST the faithfulness of His Congregation which is why she has become Mystery Babylon for her abominations!

You are looking at wrong Israel. Wrong Holy People. Wrong 1,000 years.

Selah!
 
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You are looking at wrong Israel. Wrong Holy People. Wrong 1,000 years.



As I said... Ezekiel 38/39 [OT] and Rev 20:7-9 [NT] are the OT and NT versions of the same end of the age Gog/Magog event. Both versions end with God revealing Himself to his holy people and the entire planet with fire from heaven that destroys Gog/Magog.

Ezekiel 37 is the OT version of Rev 20's symbolic '1000 year reign of Christ' over His holy people "the camp of the saints." This was the European Christian church age which ended when the secular antichrist "age of enlightenment" released satanic antichrist atheist humanists [Gog/Magog] to gather its global hordes to invade and destroy the lands of God's people.

God's holy people, the "camp of the saints", whose power has now been totally broken [Daniel 12:7] are now being invaded by Gog/Magog's global hordes. God's revelation [ie, second coming] and fire from heaven could happen at any time because the Ezekiel 38/39 - Rev 20:7-9 Gog/Magog event is happening now.

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Again, you are reading scripture with a carnal mind. No there will be no massive physical burying in Israel as you believe. And no Gog is not a man.

What I'm seeing here is you taking Scripture and applying your own individual interpretation, regardless of what it says, and telling everyone else that doesn't agree with you they're wrong.
In light of Ezekiel 39:11-16, which dedicates a lengthy 6 verses detailing(in plain words that a child could read) the physical cleanup and burial of Gog's hordes in Israel, I find your above statement to be evidence enough to say you have no proper claim(scholarly or otherwise) whether someone else is right or wrong regarding this topic, much less to comment on their state of mind. It amounts to saying these verses don't exist or mean the complete opposite of what is written.
When your claims contradict the Bible to such a level as this, you lose all credibility; especially when you try to present it as fact. :expressionless:
 
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FredVB said:
How are you saying my mind is carnal, as if your mind is not carnal? How are you determining what a carnal mind is?

See Revelation 20:9, the destruction of the armies of "Gog and Magog" directly, and then Revelation 20:11, the earth and its heavens are gone, and God judges all from the great white throne. Revelation is full of symbols with the names being used. As Mystery Babylon is not going to be literally Babylon of history, the expression Gog and Magog do not have to refer to the same enemy mentioned in prophecy in Ezekiel, where there is a lot of time in which many among the people of Israel will go set fire to all the weapons of those armies, to burn for seven years in Ezekiel 39:9, and the armies will be buried for seven months in Ezekiel 39:11 to 12. So if it referred to the same battle that would be a contradiction. This mind that you call carnal does not believe there is contradiction from what God reveals, so these different accounts would not be about the same battle. So one is sooner, and one, that in Revelation with a lot of symbolism, is the very last battle, in which the vast enemy is directly demolished from heaven, when the earth is then removed and the last judgment occurs, which is right after that.

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1 Corinthians 2:12-14 KJV
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God defined the natural man as one with a carnal mind. If we both look at the same verses about Gog and Magog, which one of us will have God's interpretation? Carnal or Spiritual? That is the question!

The Gog and Magog invasion of Ezekiel 38 is the same as deceiving the nations in the four quarters of the earth by Gog of Revelation 20. The Second Coming and the White Throne Judgment occurs when Satan is captured and thrown into the Lake of Fire which spelled the end for His Army, Gog and Magog.

Agreed if you compare Scripture with Scripture. In other words, comparing Revelation with the rest of the Scripture.

Agreed, but historic Babylon was only a type or foreshadow of Mystery Babylon.

Again, the enemies of Old Testament Congregation of Israel were only a type for the enemies of New Testament Congregation, the Church! Our enemies are not some political nations or someone we need to fight with guns and missiles, but rather the false prophets and christs that are coming with deceiving power (ie. lying signs and wonders) empowered By Satan. It is a spiritual war THIS TIME which the PHYSICAL BATTLE Israel had as a type! Israel on this side of the Cross is the Church, not that modern Israel in the Middle East that are currently taught among the dispensationalists.

I suggest that you study on the spiritual significance of numbers in Scripture. For example. The number two signifies the pillar and ground of the TRUTH. We are witnesses testify with TRUTH which is why God views us as His "two witnesses" not actual two indidivuals. Selah!

The number 10 signifies fullness of whatever is in view. For example, The 10 horns upon the beast of Revelation are ten kings had no kingdom as yet (when Revelation was written), but is prophesied to reign one hour with the beast. The ten horns signified the fullness of time (10) that these kings would have power (horns) to reign with the beast. So the fullness of time is a short season however long it may be. Again the number ten signifies that fullness of time.

Now we have number 7 which signifies completeness or totality. For example, the lamb having seven horns and seven eyes. Do you know what that means? Remember the horns symbolize Power so the seven horns signify the "totality" of his rule and power that Christ (lamb) has and his seven eyes illustrate the "totality" of the which of the Holy Spirit. Eyes equate to seeing/knowing. So the number seven here is numeric symbolism illustrating His presence over the totality of the world. Selah!

Now try applying the spiritual signification of seven to Ezekiel 39:9, 11-12 and think what God actually talked about here? Hint, this has nothing to do with seven literal years. Pray for wisdom of Christ.

I understand 1 Corinthians 2:12-14, I don't have any dispute with that. There isn't anything in that which you have for applying against me as a natural and not spiritual man. I am not one coming to communication with argumentation that causes division, anyway.

In Ezekiel, it is not shown that the "Second Coming and the White Throne Judgment occurs when Satan is captured and thrown into the Lake of Fire which spelled the end for His Army, Gog and Magog." It is shown there is a great deal of time, with the dead still there, in which there is recovery with assured peace for those still there. It is not a consistent description for what would result after the same battle. The only basis to say it is the same, with which there has to be all this reinterpretation that shows with this, with claim that this is more spiritual, is the same terms Gog and Magog being used in Revelation that were used in Ezekiel, while clearly Revelation is full of symbolism with using names of other entities symbolically for other things that are meant. I see there is not really sufficient basis to say that reinterpretation is the right one, and others disagreeing with that are carnal and not spiritual.

Waterwerx said:
What I'm seeing here is you taking Scripture and applying your own individual interpretation, regardless of what it says, and telling everyone else that doesn't agree with you they're wrong.
In light of Ezekiel 39:11-16, which dedicates a lengthy 6 verses detailing(in plain words that a child could read) the physical cleanup and burial of Gog's hordes in Israel, I find your above statement to be evidence enough to say you have no proper claim(scholarly or otherwise) whether someone else is right or wrong regarding this topic, much less to comment on their state of mind. It amounts to saying these verses don't exist or mean the complete opposite of what is written.
When your claims contradict the Bible to such a level as this, you lose all credibility; especially when you try to present it as fact. :expressionless:
 
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