Revelation 2:10: thrown in prison, tribulation 10 days

Is the "10 days" in Revelation 2:10 literal or symbolic


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While harmonizing the Olivet Discourse on another thread, I ran into a word that Luke uses, prisons.

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...and-luke-21-harmonized.8076438/#post-73042736

It is used 3 times in Revelation, 1 concerning the Devil , 1 concerning Mystery Babylon one concerning the Dragon being loosed from his prison.

Prison/cage: #5438 Reve 2:10, 18:2, 20:7

Is the 10 days a literal 10 days or some other amount of time?

Revelation 2:
9 I have known thy works, and tribulation, and poverty — yet thou art rich — and the blasphemy of those saying themselves to be Jews and are not, but [are] a synagogue of the Satan.

10 ‘Be not afraid of the things that thou art about to suffer, behold!
the Devil is about to cast of you to prison<5438>,

that ye may be tried,
and ye shall have tribulation ten days;

become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the crown of the life.

Luke 21 mentions both synagogues and prisons.........

Luke 21:12
and before all these, they shall lay on you their hands, and persecute<1377> ye,
delivering<3860> up ye to synagogues and prisons<5438>,


John 8:44
Ye are of your father the Devil, and the desires of your father you desire to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Prison: #5438 Reve 2:10, 18:2, 20:7

 
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Interesting.

I've not ever noticed that before, either. I did find this about the possible meaning of ten days:


  • Literal Ten Days. The view which I hold is that this refers to ten literal days that the believers in Smyrna will experience more severe persecution. A similar surge of persecution occurred about fifty years later (approximately AD 145) in Smyrna, which the church historian Eusebius describes in his church history (Eusebius of Caesaria, “The Church History of Eusebius,” in Eusebius: Church History, Life of Constantine the Great, and Oration in Praise of Constantine, ed. Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, trans. Arthur Cushman McGiffert, vol. 1, A Select Library of the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, Second Series [New York: Christian Literature Company, 1890], 188-189; Thomas, Revelation 1-7, 170).~ http://christopherscottblog.com/letter-church-smyrna-rev-2-8-11/
 
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Another option I just found is that the reference to "ten days" could have been a reminder to God's faithfulness to Daniel and Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego that's recorded in the book of Daniel.

Quoting this site: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/letter-church-smyrna/
There is also a more obscure encouragement here. The persecution will be limited to “ten days” (Rev. 2:10). The picture is drawn from Daniel 1. Daniel and his friends are seeking to serve King Nebuchadnezzar and yet not compromise with the pagan world. They refuse to eat the meat served by the court. They then set “ten days” as a time in which to test whether they would survive just as well without meat. Under God’s sovereign protection, they survived the test.​
 
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Interesting.

I've not ever noticed that before, either. I did find this about the possible meaning of ten days:
  • Literal Ten Days. The view which I hold is that this refers to ten literal days that the believers in Smyrna will experience more severe persecution. A similar surge of persecution occurred about fifty years later (approximately AD 145) in Smyrna, which the church historian Eusebius describes in his church history (Eusebius of Caesaria, “The Church History of Eusebius,” in Eusebius: Church History, Life of Constantine the Great, and Oration in Praise of Constantine, ed. Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, trans. Arthur Cushman McGiffert, vol. 1, A Select Library of the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, Second Series [New York: Christian Literature Company, 1890], 188-189; Thomas, Revelation 1-7, 170).~ http://christopherscottblog.com/letter-church-smyrna-rev-2-8-11/
Good info and thanks.

I looked up the exact phrase "ten days" and behold! Daniel 1.
[Jesus mentions Daniel in the Gospels]

https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=ten+days&t=NKJV&ss=1#s=s_primary_0_1
exact phrase "ten days" shown in 10 verses......8 verses in OT, 2 verses in NT

3985. peirazo pi-rad'-zo from 3984; to test (objectively), i.e. endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline:--assay, examine, go about, prove, tempt(-er), try


Revelation 2:10
‘Nothing be fearing!<5399> of the things that thou art about to be suffering<3958>
Behold! the Devil is about to cast of you to prison<3958>,
that ye may be being tried<3985>,

and ye shall have tribulation ten days;
Become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the crown of the life.

5254 nacah naw-saw' a primitive root; to test; by implication, to attempt:--adventure, assay, prove, tempt, try.

Daniel 1
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12 ‘Try, I pray thee, thy servants, ten days;
and they give to us of the vegetables, and we eat, and water, and we drink;
13 and our appearance is seen before thee, and the appearance of the lads who are eating the king’s portion of food, and as thou seest — deal with thy servants.’
14 And he hearkeneth to them, to this word, and trieth<5254> them ten days:

15 and at the end of ten days their appearance hath appeared better and fatter in flesh then any of the lads who are eating the king’s portion of food.



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This word is used


Revelation 2:10
‘Nothing be fearing!<5399> of the things that thou art about to be suffering<3958>
Behold! the Devil is about to cast of you to prison<3958>,
that ye may be being tried<3985>,
and ye shall have tribulation ten days;
Become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the crown of the life.


Used only in Luke 21 of the Olivet Discourse:

Luke 21:

26 men fainting at heart from fear<5399>, and expectation of the things coming on the world,
for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

6 verses in Revelation:


Revelation 11:18
and the nations were angry, and Thine anger did come, and the time of the dead, to be judged, and to give the reward to Thy servants, to the prophets, and to the saints,
and
to those fearing<5399> Thy name,
to the small and to the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the land.'
 
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I believe ALL numbers in the Book of Revelation are LITERAL, however to what they are attributed is SYMBOLIC. So the number 10 is LITERAL, DAYS is SYMBOLIC. Without getting into a treatise on the Book of Revelation, I believe that it is a history of the Church, Past, Present and Future and that DAYS are actual YEARS
 
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Revelation 2:8-11 KJV
[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
[10] Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
[11] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.​

This is talking about the persecution and trail of the Elect in the unfaithful congregations prior to Second Coming in the time of the end. Nothing to do with Jews in 70AD, or the particular literal church in Turkey.

Allow me to explain...after the faithful testimony of the Church for the past 2,000 years is finished (because all Elect has been sealed, Rev 7) and when Satan comes out of the bottomless pit, being tried in prison is symbolism of being in a church with a spiritual condition where they are held under spiritual "captivity." The Elect (Two Witnesses) is no longer free to preach or witness the truth because no one wants to hear the truth anymore. They want to hear more smooth and lying words from false prophets and enjoy the entertainment in the church.

Revelation 11:7-8 KJV
[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.​

But even in this, God commands that Two Witnesses (Elect) must remain faithful until they are killed. Until they are killed by the beast who came out of the bottomless pit. The 10 days symbolizes the "fullness" of time of whatever is in view. And being faithful unto death is until they are killed in the streets of this Church, which is spiritually Jerusalem. The elect shall be faithful unto death. For example, "Here is the faith and patience of the saints." To remain faithful in this prison house of Satan until we are killed (our testimony being silenced) in the tribulation. This is our "Trial of faith!" Will we bow down and worship the image of the beast like all those around us, or will we remain faithful unto death?

Do not be confused with tribulation and trails in the WORLD. We, Elect, always had tribulation in the world, but "in the great tribulation" prior to Second Coming, "IS" the trial, persecution, hatred of the elect in the Church. That is clear by everything God says about this period. They are come into a captivity in the Lord's house! We need to understand that Satan is loosed not to accost the world, but to accost the Church! This is where Satan wants to RULE! Yes, you could see that the world is getting progressively more evil and wicked as the light of the Church is extinguished. So much so that if God doesn't shorten the days, because the candlesticks no longer shine, there would be no flesh left to be saved! Selah! I do not see what this preoccupation with the saints in the world has to do with the great tribulation they obviously suffered in their own Church. Since God is fully concentrating upon telling us of the abominations and hatred going on WITHIN HIS CHURCH! An UNFAITHFUL CHURCH where people no longer want to hear the truthful testimony of the Elect anymore! God is not preoccupied with the world, other than to say at judgment day, the people will all be judged. Nearly all His prophesy and warnings are about the Church. Not Jersualem in Middle East. Not Rome. Not 70AD. Not third temple. And isn't it amazing how nearly none of it is recognized or acknowledged "by the Church!"

The bottom line is, the "tribulation ten days" is the fullness of time for Elect to suffer trails in the synagogue of Satan which is the great city that was supposed to represent God has turned into a harlot. Consider wisely:

Revelation 18:2 KJV
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

This is how the congregation of God all over the world has eventually become the synagogue of Satan where He has his false prophets and christs sitting (ruling) in the church (temple). This is when the Great Tribulation begun FOR THE ELECT because the false prophets and christs, along with professed christians they decevied wage a spiritual war against them, to OVERCOME them, and to kill (silence) them so that people of the congregation may rejoice over the "dead bodies" of Two Witnesses so that the truthful testimony no longer torment them! The false prophets, like Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Joseph Prince, etc. are free to preach whatever they want in order to deceive MANY professed Christians. They are being deceived. They do it "thinking" they are giving glory to God with their tolerance of homosexuality, divorce and remarriage, speaking in tongues, feel-good gospel, prosperity gospel, love for national Israel/Dispensationalism, free will doctrines, etc. God allows this to happen because they have silenced (killed) His witnesses of Elect and He will judge them. How? By causing them to believe their own lies!

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

See? This has NOTHING to do with national Israel, 70AD, or future temple. IT is about God's unfaithful congregation who do not want to hear the true testimony of the Two Witnesses because it torments their unrighteousness. With Two Witnesses' testimony being silenced, they can believe whatever they want in the church thinking they are saved and giving praise to God. But guess what? God is using false prophets and christ (aka Gog and Magog) against them to deceive them so they will believe a lie! It is a spiritual war, my friends, that I believe is taking place right now. Especially AFTER the period of " ten days of tribulation" for the Elect.
 
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The bottom line is, the "tribulation ten days" is the fullness of time for Elect to suffer trails in the synagogue of Satan which is the great city that was supposed to represent God has turned into a harlot. Consider wisely:
Especially AFTER the period of " ten days of tribulation" for the Elect.
Good post.

The exact form of the greek word #2347 used in Reve 2:10 is used in only 3 verses of the Gospels [and 3 verses in Revelation, all in Chapter 2].

This appears to agree with what you said about after the tribulation and deaths of the "2 witnesses"?.......
I am going to work on this some more.......fascinating.


Matthew 24:
9
then they shall deliver you up to tribulation<2347>, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated by all the nations because of my name;
29
‘And immediately after the tribulation<2347> of those days,
the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven,

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken;

Mark 13:24
‘But in those days, after that tribulation<2347>,
the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Luke 21:
25
“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars;
and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26
“men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


John 16:

33 these things I have spoken to you, that in me ye may have peace,
in the world ye shall have tribulation<2347>, but take courage — I have overcome the world.
 
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Matthew 24:
9
then they shall deliver you up to tribulation<2347>, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated by all the nations because of my name;


This is the "great tribulation period" when the army of Satan (false prophets and professed christians) wage war to test God's Two Witnesses to the point of their death so the enemies can finally rejoice and exchange gifts. The gifts are the false doctrines they can preach without resistance from the Elect.

29
‘And immediately after the tribulation<2347> of those days,
the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven,

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken;

Mark 13:24
‘But in those days, after that tribulation<2347>,
the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Luke 21:
25
“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars;
and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26
“men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.


After the period of Great Tribulation FOR the Elect is over becaue God has resurrected them to call them to come out of unfaithful church as God was about to judge her! I am not talking about physical resurrection here. I am talking about the resurrection from THAT DEATH - the silence of the testimony - so that they will prophesy again, not about salvation, but JUDGMENT of the harlot. See? God is using his people to prophesy God's judgment upon the church as the enemies watch and feared. In other words, the enemies will feel offended by the fact that the Elect is leaving the church as they warned them that the church is under judgment. Just like the days of Lot for example!
 
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This is the "great tribulation period" when the army of Satan (false prophets and professed christians) wage war to test God's Two Witnesses to the point of their death so the enemies can finally rejoice and exchange gifts. The gifts are the false doctrines they can preach without resistance from the Elect.


After the period of Great Tribulation FOR the Elect is over becaue God has resurrected them to call them to come out of unfaithful church as God was about to judge her! I am not talking about physical resurrection here. I am talking about the resurrection from THAT DEATH - the silence of the testimony - so that they will prophesy again, not about salvation, but JUDGMENT of the harlot. See? God is using his people to prophesy God's judgment upon the church as the enemies watch and feared. In other words, the enemies will feel offended by the fact that the Elect is leaving the church as they warned them that the church is under judgment. Just like the days of Lot for example!
Isn't Luke 21 describing the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies?

#5399 used only in Luke 21 of the Olivet Discourse:


Luke 21:
26 men fainting at heart from fear<5399>, and expectation of the things coming on the world,
for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.


Revelation 2:10
Nothing be ye fearing!<5399> of the things that thou art about to be suffering<3958>
Behold! the Devil is about to cast of you to prison<3958>,
that ye may be being tried<3985>,
and ye shall have tribulation ten days;
Become thou faithful unto death, and I will give to thee the crown of the life.


 
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