Which commandments to obey?

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If the man doesn't believe the true word when you bring it to him then he is not of God, and cannot do that which is of God(concerning the baptism of a believer of the truth).
2 John 1:9-11
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
So you have to find a Oneness minister in order to be saved (ultimately). And then what? If you don't keep going to that Oneness church, are you still saved?
 
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Luke 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

Oneness doctrine effectively condemns a bunch of people who I believe and know are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I reject it for that reason.
 
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If it has to be a Oneness minister, and a person was baptized by a Baptist minister, does that mean that the baptism they had was invalid? What if they were baptized as a disciple (according to the formula in Matthew 28:19-20)? Do they need to be baptized again in the name of Jesus, because their prior baptism didn't save them?

Personally, I believe that salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ alone. It is not going to be forfeited because you have the opportunity to be baptized and don't go through with it. If you have the Holy Spirit because you asked for Him (Luke 11:13), there is no need to fulfill the condition of the promise found in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39. I have been taught that baptism doesn't save. Now I believe that it can save as a point of contact, but that it is not necessary and that a person can be saved without it. Whoever believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but whosoever believeth not shall be damned. It does not say you will be damned if you are not baptized; only unbelief will make you not saved. if you believe and are baptized you shall be saved, absolute promise, while if you only believe you should not perish. But also, if you call on the name of the Lord you shall be saved. Now if someone calls on the name of the Lord, and then does not get baptized in Jesus' name when they have the opportunity, all of a sudden that shall is made void? I don't think so.
If it is done in the way described in the bible in the name Yahshua the Christ only then the baptism is valid if both men believe the true doctrine.

1. If the baptism was not done as described above^ then they would need to be rebaptized after hearing the truth. This would be the answer to all three of your questions.

2. That is what you think brother, it is obvious no amount of discussion will change that. I'm sorry you could not see the truth, but I warn you that now that you have heard the truth you will be guilty of everything brought to you.

I love you brother.
 
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He can call all he wants to, and not be saved if
on judgment day the judge tells him "bye" (be gone) .....
Romans 10:13 is an absolute promise of scripture (see also 2 Peter 1:4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20).
 
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Brother, the verse says to love your wives as Christ loved the church and then it says cleanse it by the washing of water by the word as Christ commanded. This would be speaking to baptism by water by faith in word of God/Christ.
How often should I baptize my wife? :tutu::swoon:
 
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Luke 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

Oneness doctrine effectively condemns a bunch of people who I believe and know are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I reject it for that reason.
Many people love to say Judge not least ye be Judged. (Matt 7:1-2; Luke 6:37-38) But of course they fail to quote the next verse. Which goes on to say, least ye be judged by the measure in which you used to judge. Which is great. Because all will be Judged by the word of God in the Last day. So also are Christ followers to judge all things by the word of God and by the same word will they be judged. 1 Cor 2:15, 6:2-5
 
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If it is done in the way described in the bible in the name Yahshua the Christ only then the baptism is valid if both men believe the true doctrine.

1. If the baptism was not done as described above^ then they would need to be rebaptized after hearing the truth. This would be the answer to all three of your questions.

2. That is what you think brother, it is obvious no amount of discussion will change that. I'm sorry you could not see the truth, but I warn you that now that you have heard the truth you will be guilty of everything brought to you.

I love you brother.
So Jesus' commandment in Matthew 28:19-20 is invalid? Jesus gave the wrong formula?
 
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So you have to find a Oneness minister in order to be saved (ultimately). And then what? If you don't keep going to that Oneness church, are you still saved?
There is no building you need to go to, we are the temple of the holy spirit( Acts 7:47-50, Acts 17:23-25, 1 Cor 3:8-11, 16-17, 1 Cor 6:13,15, 17-20, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:14-15, 2 Cor 6:16) so as long as you follow God's word you will be fine.
 
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Many people love to say Judge not least ye be Judged. (Matt 7:1-2; Luke 6:37-38) But of course they fail to quote the next verse. Which goes on to say, least ye be judged by the measure in which you used to judge. Which is great. Because all will be Judged by the word of God in the Last day. So also are Christ followers to judge all things by the word of God and by the same word will they be judged. 1 Cor 2:15, 6:2-5
It is scripture. Should we fail to heed it because the unbelieving love to use it as a defense?
 
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So Jesus' commandment in Matthew 28:19-20 is invalid? Jesus gave the wrong formula?
It's the right formula the name of the father son and holy spirit on earth is Yahshua. Those three names are just titles, the name is Christ Yahshua.
Acts 4:10-12
Acts 10:48
Matthew 28:19-20
Acts 2:38
Acts 19:5
 
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There is no building you need to go to, we are the temple of the holy spirit( Acts 7:47-50, Acts 17:23-25, 1 Cor 3:8-11, 16-17, 1 Cor 6:13,15, 17-20, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:14-15, 2 Cor 6:16) so as long as you follow God's word you will be fine.
That is different from what some Oneness churches that I have been to, teach. They teach that if you go to a church that isn't Oneness, and the rapture happens, you will be left behind.
 
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It is scripture. Should we fail to heed it because the unbelieving love to use it as a defense?
No brother, but you are using it as they do. Those verses say that if we judge by the law of Christ(as I have done) then we will be judged by the same measure(God's Law) on the day of judgment(like we already were going to be). I am not wrong in what I am doing, I am judging as we are commanded to do.
 
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It's the right formula the name of the father son and holy spirit on earth is Yahshua. Those three names are just titles, the name is Christ Yahshua.
Acts 4:10-12
Acts 10:48
Matthew 28:19-20
Acts 2:38
Acts 19:5
So if I baptize using the formula of titles as Jesus said to, I am baptizing in His name. Therefore the whole issue is moot, as to what formula you use; because if I baptize in His name I am really baptizing in the titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. And if I baptize in the titles I am really baptizing in the name of Jesus.
 
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No brother, but you are using it as they do. Those verses say that if we judge by the law of Christ(as I have done) then we will be judged by the same measure(God's Law) on the day of judgment(like we already were going to be). I am not wrong in what I am doing, I am judging as we are commanded to do.
I am not using it as they do. They do it to defend themselves, I do it to defend people who I know are my brothers and sisters in the Lord! You have taken scriptures out of the context of the whole counsel of God and have used them to condemn people who are guiltless (who are genuinely saved but not according to the doctrine you hold). If you had known what this means, I desire mercy and not sacrifice, you would not have done this.
 
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That is different from what some Oneness churches that I have been to, teach. They teach that if you go to a church that isn't Oneness, and the rapture happens, you will be left behind.
Well for one, I do not believe in the Rapture as it cannot be shown in the bible. And no member of God's true church believes in that doctrine. Secondly I can't speak on what those churches teach as I am not a part of them.
 
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Well for one, I do not believe in the Rapture as it cannot be shown in the bible. And no member of God's true church believes in that doctrine. Secondly I can't speak on what those churches teach as I am not a part of them.
You obviously don't know your Bible. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 clearly teaches the rapture. The Latin word "rapturo" is even used in the Latin translation of the passage.
 
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So if I baptize using the formula of titles as Jesus said to, I am baptizing in His name. Therefore the whole issue is moot, as to what formula you use; because if I baptize in His name I am really baptizing in the titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. And if I baptize in the titles I am really baptizing in the name of Jesus.
Again brother those are just titles and are not the only name given under heaven by which a man may be saved. Many people on this earth bear the titles son others still are fathers/Dads these are just titles not their real names. The real names would be YHWH, Yahshua, and the Holy spirit/spirit of the father, and some do baptize like that but that would be three names and not one name. There is only one name given Yahshua. One not three.
 
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I am not using it as they do. They do it to defend themselves, I do it to defend people who I know are my brothers and sisters in the Lord! You have taken scriptures out of the context of the whole counsel of God and have used them to condemn people who are guiltless (who are genuinely saved but not according to the doctrine you hold). If you had known what this means, I desire mercy and not sacrifice, you would not have done this.
As I said brother they are saved until they hear the truth, because they have believed wholeheartedly that form of doctrine believed unto them.
Again brother I have not distored or misued God's word but have given it's clear interpretation.
 
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