I am glad to see that your eyes have been opened to the truth.
That is a very rare thing on this forum.
I have no condemnation for the nation as a whole.
We should thank God for the ministries of Zev Porat in Tel Aviv, and for One For Israel, which is the Bible college made up of Christians from both Jewish and Arab backgrounds.
The battle for the souls of the people in the middle east continues today, just as it did during the first century.
However, you seem to be changing one word in Romans 11:26.
I have heard preachers on Christian television change the word "so" to the word "then". Others leave out the word "so", in an attempt to make their doctrine work.
Paul used the Greek word "houto" which describes the manner of their salvation by being grafted back into the Olive Tree, through faith in Christ.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
(There are two different groups of "they" in the verse above. Paul begins the passage with two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, and he ends it in the same way.)
The word "so" describes the manner of their salvation found in Romans 11:23-24.
Were all of the Israelites "partially" blinded, or were part blinded and part were not? What do we find in Romans 11:5?
Is the covenant in Romans 11:27 the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary, or is it a future covenant with the modern State of Israel.
Paul used the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles. Paul said the branches broken off could be grafted back into the tree through faith in Christ.
Paul provided no path to salvation in the passage outside of the Church.
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Hi the promise and establishment of the new covenant is not something that I disagree with. Jesus emptied Abraham's bosom and the new covenant is the only path to salvation. I am claiming that the new covenant revokes only the covenant of the law which had the animal symbolic system of sin offerings and the day of atonement and all. The covenant with the land is an everlasting covenant. It is like me telling my child I am taking you to California for two weeks in August. This promise is now out there and if I am true in August we are going to CA. I can ad a clause that says if you get all A's in school I will take you to Disneyland on that trip. if my child gets c's and B's the Disney trip is no longer part of the promise.
When we look at national Israel we can look at what is promised and expect God to keep His word. Duet says the prophet of God is a false prophet if what he says does not happen and Peter says not prophecy is of any private interpretation. So the debate should be structured to establish what God said. In basketball there is a game called horse where players take turns taking a shot and if they make one the other player must make the same shot or they get a letter H O R S E. The one loses when they have spelled our horse. A lay up is pretty easy so if you make it the opponent will likely make it too. But if you call a blindfolded layup where you have to go around the back through the legs with a leaping 360 spin off the backboard and all net you have made a attempt at a very unlikely make. This is what modern Israel and the temple mount and the return of the sacrifice are; they are very unlikely called events that have an extremely low relative likelihood of occurring randomly and if it can be established that God prophetically claimed this would happen and history is working in a tracing manner tracking over the path projected it would give great support to the literal view. I do not have time to make a mega case now but can post a few verses in support of the covenant of the land not being over. psalm 105
1 Oh, give thanks to the LORD!
Call upon His name;
Make known His deeds among the peoples!
2 Sing to Him, sing psalms to Him;
Talk of all His wondrous works!
3 Glory in His holy name;
Let the hearts of those rejoice who seek the LORD!
4 Seek the LORD and His strength;
Seek His face evermore!
5 Remember His marvelous works which He has done,
His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth,
6 O seed of Abraham His servant,
You children of Jacob, His chosen ones!
7 He
is the LORD our God;
His judgments
are in all the earth.
8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word
which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9
The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel
as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,”
12 When they were few in number,
Indeed very few, and strangers in it.
The New Covenant in Jer 31 says the new covenant is not according to the one made when they were taken out of Egypt. In exodus Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the LORD has said we will do, and be obedient.” They broke this covenant and the New covenant has replaced this one when Moses read the law and does not replace the covenant made with the land. This distinction is clear throughout both new and old testament.
Duet 4 is one place where even in destruction and exile the covenant withe the land is affirmed. 5 “When you beget children and grandchildren and have grown old in the land, and act corruptly and make a carved image in the form of anything, and do evil in the sight of the LORD your God to provoke Him to anger, 26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that you will soon utterly perish from the land which you cross over the Jordan to possess; you will not prolong
your days in it, but will be utterly destroyed. 27 And the LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the LORD will drive you. 28 And there you will serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell. 29 But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find
Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul. 30 When you are in distress, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, when you turn to the LORD your God and obey His voice 31 (for the LORD your God
is a merciful God), He will not forsake you nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers which He swore to them.
Of Jesus in Luke Zacharias prophesied by the Holy Spirit,
68 “Blessed
is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who
have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy
promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
Ezekiel 36
This chapter show that the LORD will do very specific things with Israel and if you try to make the church Israel it makes no sense. If you read about how Israel is named as having profaned the name of the LORD and been scattered and in exile yet God says he will take away the reproach of the nations from them and establish them for Gods own sake. If you read Zech 14 and consider all these as literal it is not too hard to see one covenant for salvation; the new covenant and another with the nation Israel.
“And you, son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel, and say, ‘O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD! 2 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because the enemy has said of you, ‘Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession,’ ” ’ 3 therefore prophesy, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because they made
you desolate and swallowed you up on every side, so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations, and you are taken up by the lips of talkers and slandered by the people”— 4 therefore, O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around— 5 therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I have spoken in My burning jealousy against the rest of the nations and against all Edom, who gave My land to themselves as a possession, with wholehearted joy
and spiteful minds, in order to plunder its open country.” ’
6 “Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, and the valleys, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I have spoken in My jealousy and My fury, because you have borne the shame of the nations.” 7 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “I have raised My hand in an oath that surely the nations that
are around you shall bear their own shame. 8 But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. 9 For indeed I
am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. 10 I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. 11 I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bear young; I will make you inhabited as in former times, and do better
for you than at your beginnings. Then you shall know that I
am the LORD. 12 Yes, I will cause men to walk on you, My people Israel; they shall take possession of you, and you shall be their inheritance; no more shall you bereave them
of children.”
13 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because they say to you, ‘You devour men and bereave your nation
of children,’ 14 therefore you shall devour men no more, nor bereave your nation anymore,” says the Lord GOD. 15 “Nor will I let you hear the taunts of the nations anymore, nor bear the reproach of the peoples anymore, nor shall you cause your nation to stumble anymore,” says the Lord GOD.’ ”
The Renewal of Israel
16 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. 18 Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols
with which they had defiled it. 19 So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. 20 When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These
are the people of the LORD,
and yet they have gone out of His land.’ 21 But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.
22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I do not do
this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I
am the LORD,” says the Lord GOD, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do
them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30 And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that
were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do
this,” says the Lord GOD, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
33 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable
you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities
are now fortified
and inhabited.’ 36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the LORD, have rebuilt the ruined places
and planted what was desolate. I, the LORD, have spoken
it, and I will do
it.”
37 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “I will also let the house of Israel inquire of Me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock. 38 Like a flock
offered as holy
sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they shall know that I
am the LORD.” ’ ”
