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Perverting Scripture for one's personal belief system which opposes Jesus is not acceptable to Yahweh , not to Jesus, and not to Ekklesia born again by Yahweh.
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The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism
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Dear slaveboy: This is what is required of you.
#1. Define "only" and "especially" in koine.
#2. Why does the Apostle Paul in his letter to Timothy instruct us to command and teach the following?
"God is [the] Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe/trust in Him. Command this & teach this."
Koine for especially = malista
Koine for only = monon
#1. God is Saviour
#2. He is not a potential Saviour: He IS Saviour.
#3. He IS Saviour of all mankind.
#4. He is Saviour "especially" of those who believe/trust in Him.
#5 Especially = malista.
#6 Only = monon.
The passage before us does not say>>>>>
God is Saviour of some of mankind, and only those who trust in Him/ who believe. Command this and teach this.
#1. Define "only" and "especially" in koine.
#2. Why does the Apostle Paul in his letter to Timothy instruct us to command and teach the following?
"God is [the] Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe/trust in Him. Command this & teach this."
Koine for especially = malista
Koine for only = monon
#1. God is Saviour
#2. He is not a potential Saviour: He IS Saviour.
#3. He IS Saviour of all mankind.
#4. He is Saviour "especially" of those who believe/trust in Him.
#5 Especially = malista.
#6 Only = monon.
The passage before us does not say>>>>>
God is Saviour of some of mankind, and only those who trust in Him/ who believe. Command this and teach this.
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Dear slaveboy: there is hope for you and all who have been made slaves in Adam1.
Your answer=
ῥύομαι=
1. To rescue/ deliver.
2. To draw to oneself.
3. To pull to oneself
4. To snatch up.
5. To draw/ rescue to and for the Deliverer.
"The whole of created life shall be delivered"
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Flibbertyjibbet
I'm sorry for complaining about 'the whole world' lol but it does seem that way... now that i'm being extracted from religious strongholds, i'm shaking my head, i'm bewildered that i even had to come THROUGH mainstream Christianity!!
it's the worst starting point ever, and caused me much suffering... the last time i tried to leave, still thinking that leaving Christianity meant leaving Christ, but i was suffering so much that i DID THINK about leaving Christ behind, just to escape the pain...
and I think Christ got a little impatient with me, even tho He is sovereign and knew it was coming of course! anyway, He dipped my body in this unspeakable HELL, and it only lasted a second, but it was the longest second of my life!! and i couldn't barely put one foot in front of the other for about an hour after, coz it had weakened my body so much... if it had gone on for any longer it would have killed me. then the still small voice said 'are you sure you want to leave?'
i thought about this, and i thought that i had created this hell, coz i knew it wasn't the firey hell that legend talks about... but what i think now is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to leave Christ!! if Christ wasn't here the universe would COLLAPSE under indescribable evil within seconds!
what is that scripture? even if we believe not, He yet abides faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
I'm shame facedly feeling a little ticked at Jesus for HIDING the fact that mainstream Christianity was a baaaaaad scene, even tho He actually DID try to tell me a couple of times, but I just didn't get it...
but 'it's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of kings to seek it out'
God wants us to search and work for the truth, and all i can say was that i was lazy, cowardly, and deceived...
so i don't know WHO or WHAT to be angry at this morning lol i'm just a little teensy weensy bit ANGRY AS ALL GET OUT lol
Hi Pneuma...
where ya been hanging out?
there is a book of poetry by a whacky sufi poet named 'Hafiz' and it's called 'I Heard God Laughing'
that's all i can say about that today lol 'I hear God laughing'
it's the worst starting point ever, and caused me much suffering... the last time i tried to leave, still thinking that leaving Christianity meant leaving Christ, but i was suffering so much that i DID THINK about leaving Christ behind, just to escape the pain...
and I think Christ got a little impatient with me, even tho He is sovereign and knew it was coming of course! anyway, He dipped my body in this unspeakable HELL, and it only lasted a second, but it was the longest second of my life!! and i couldn't barely put one foot in front of the other for about an hour after, coz it had weakened my body so much... if it had gone on for any longer it would have killed me. then the still small voice said 'are you sure you want to leave?'
i thought about this, and i thought that i had created this hell, coz i knew it wasn't the firey hell that legend talks about... but what i think now is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to leave Christ!! if Christ wasn't here the universe would COLLAPSE under indescribable evil within seconds!
what is that scripture? even if we believe not, He yet abides faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
I'm shame facedly feeling a little ticked at Jesus for HIDING the fact that mainstream Christianity was a baaaaaad scene, even tho He actually DID try to tell me a couple of times, but I just didn't get it...
but 'it's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of kings to seek it out'
God wants us to search and work for the truth, and all i can say was that i was lazy, cowardly, and deceived...
so i don't know WHO or WHAT to be angry at this morning lol i'm just a little teensy weensy bit ANGRY AS ALL GET OUT lol
Hi Pneuma...
where ya been hanging out?
there is a book of poetry by a whacky sufi poet named 'Hafiz' and it's called 'I Heard God Laughing'
that's all i can say about that today lol 'I hear God laughing'
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F.L. has been posting to some of the lunatics still at the base of the mountain. One of them wants to simply consider only translations that are "normal" and not on "shaky ground".
Rotherham Translation=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emphasized_Bible
Young's Literal Translation=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young's_Literal_Translation
Weymouth N.T. Translation=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weymouth_New_Testament
Bible In Basic English=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_in_Basic_English
Jonathan Mitchell N.T. Translation=
Over 22 Years of preparation>>>>>>>
http://www.greater-emmanuel.org/jmt/
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Dear Hugs: I have a Young's & and old original Strong's given to me as a wee Christian by a dear Baptist pastor. You may find the following link helpful>>>>>
Young's Literal
https://www.biblestudytools.com/ylt/
May the Lord bless you as He continues to mold you into His image! Do you need more blessing points? They should help the process LOL. Oh no:F.L is broke again, I trust it will not impede progress for me.
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Calling Hillsage: Come in Hillsage
My dear brother: you are throwing my wee plan of poverty into serious problems (for the moment). Having you here from day 1 has been worth starting this link! Having a chosen vessel who sits in the Presence of the Christ is beyond words. Thank you!
"From Him, through Him, for Him."
My dear brother: you are throwing my wee plan of poverty into serious problems (for the moment). Having you here from day 1 has been worth starting this link! Having a chosen vessel who sits in the Presence of the Christ is beyond words. Thank you!
"From Him, through Him, for Him."
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hahaha, looks like poverty for Jesus is eluding you!!
there must be a scripture about that sort of thing lol
Only for the moment!
What love is all about
It was a busy morning, approximately 8:30 am, when an elderly gentleman, in his 80s arrived to have stitches removed from his thumb. He stated that he was in a hurry and that he had an appointment at 9:00 am. I took his vital signs, and had him take a seat, knowing it would be over an hour before someone would be able to see him. I saw him looking at his watch and decided, since I was not busy with another patient, I would evaluate his wound.
On exam it was well healed, so I talked to one of the doctors, got the needed supplies to remove his sutures and redressed his wound. While taking care of him, we began to engage in conversation. I asked him if he had a doctor's appointment this morning, as he was in such a hurry. The gentleman told me no, that he needed to go to the nursing home to eat breakfast with his wife. I then inquired as to her health. He told me that she had been there for awhile and was a victim of Alzheimer's Disease.
As we talked and I finished dressing his wound, I asked if she would be worried if he was a bit late. He replied that she no longer knew who he was, and hadn't recognized him in five years. I was surprised, and asked him, "And you still go every morning, even though she doesn't know who you are?" He smiled and patted my hand and said, "She doesn't know me, but I still know who she is."
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"Look boys, Universalism is just flat out stupidity. If your think you language based machinations are going convince anyone who isn't already sitting in the choir loft, you're delusional.
There is a single word that simultaneously forms the foundation of the entire Christian faith and makes universalism impossible.
Justice"
Dear friend: I do appreciate that the Restitution of all things declared by the Prophets from earliest ages is "dilusional". I also fully grasp the Saviour cannot, or will not, draw all mankind to Himself & is either "dilusional" or does not grasp the purpose in Abba's "Heart".
I almost forgot: St. John who declares the Saviour the hilasmos of the holos. is also ""delusional".
The heck with St. Paul, that old former Pharisee: speak about "delusional" he is delusional with a capitol "D" DELUSIONAL.
Now friend, if and when you would like to show me how delusional I am, you know where to find my old delusional bones!
I will start with the perfect equation of "Justice" and go from there.
There is a single word that simultaneously forms the foundation of the entire Christian faith and makes universalism impossible.
Justice"
Dear friend: I do appreciate that the Restitution of all things declared by the Prophets from earliest ages is "dilusional". I also fully grasp the Saviour cannot, or will not, draw all mankind to Himself & is either "dilusional" or does not grasp the purpose in Abba's "Heart".
I almost forgot: St. John who declares the Saviour the hilasmos of the holos. is also ""delusional".
The heck with St. Paul, that old former Pharisee: speak about "delusional" he is delusional with a capitol "D" DELUSIONAL.
Now friend, if and when you would like to show me how delusional I am, you know where to find my old delusional bones!
I will start with the perfect equation of "Justice" and go from there.
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needhugs
Flibbertyjibbet
I am leaving the religion of Christianity behind, because it's chock full of WRONG... I am a 'believer' of Paul's gospel to the gentiles, i'm a member of the body of Christ... but I am no longer a member of the mainstream Christian religion.... i'm tired... so don't worry if you don't hear from me for a while...
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Dear Hugs: I always worry about you! Actually my "chateau" is pointed towards Abba on your behalf & and every last one! Just show up when you can, mainstream falls short of the little flock of sons & daughters, very short!
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Originally Posted by Nerfball
"As I said, universalism is appealing to me. As I've said elsewhere, the doctrine of eternal damnation is troubling to me. But I'm not going to reinvent Christianity to make myself happy. I'm going to trust that whatever eternal damnation turns out to be, I'll see that it's consistent with the just, merciful and loving nature of the God in whom I believe."
One of my friends on another thread a former PHD professor just responded>>>>
MysticPhd
Our ignorant ancestors were steeped in the OT beliefs about their War God and refused to give up their indoctrination to fully accept what this upstart Jesus tried to tell them about the True Nature of God as agape love. So Jesus SHOWED them at the expense of His body and life. He endured scourging and crucifixion while loving even His torturers and murderers. He smote no one. Unfortunately, even that unambiguous demonstration of God's true nature fell to the ignorance of our ancestors' and their belief in blood sacrifice to appease their wrathful and vengeful OT God. The rest is history. Sad, very sad. There is NOTHING merciful, loving or compassionate about eternal damnation for the actions of a finite life, period! It accomplishes NOTHING and is ONLY punitive and vengeful. That you choose NOT to see what is so obvious reveals your closed mind and fear of God who you should love.
"As I said, universalism is appealing to me. As I've said elsewhere, the doctrine of eternal damnation is troubling to me. But I'm not going to reinvent Christianity to make myself happy. I'm going to trust that whatever eternal damnation turns out to be, I'll see that it's consistent with the just, merciful and loving nature of the God in whom I believe."
One of my friends on another thread a former PHD professor just responded>>>>
MysticPhd
Our ignorant ancestors were steeped in the OT beliefs about their War God and refused to give up their indoctrination to fully accept what this upstart Jesus tried to tell them about the True Nature of God as agape love. So Jesus SHOWED them at the expense of His body and life. He endured scourging and crucifixion while loving even His torturers and murderers. He smote no one. Unfortunately, even that unambiguous demonstration of God's true nature fell to the ignorance of our ancestors' and their belief in blood sacrifice to appease their wrathful and vengeful OT God. The rest is history. Sad, very sad. There is NOTHING merciful, loving or compassionate about eternal damnation for the actions of a finite life, period! It accomplishes NOTHING and is ONLY punitive and vengeful. That you choose NOT to see what is so obvious reveals your closed mind and fear of God who you should love.
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My Fine brother. I have never once taken the time to give blessings and had to figure out how to even do it, this very first time. So, although I seldom get blessings because I'm here in UNORTHODOX, because I AM in many ways besides UR, there have still been some generous souls over the years allowing me to acquire quite a retirement plan. A plan which I dug deep in to for your 'blessing' ministry. I actually thought about giving my all, but I found out that no matter how unimportant 'giving' has obviously been for me, I was still stingy enough to just give you 'only' over 1/2 of my 'virtual reality' wealth. Enjoy them and make many happy brother. And put me on the prayer list for not giving my all....if our Father leads, not because I asked.
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Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. And the Israelites of yesterday did no different than the early church of our day. The church's overwhelming position was UR or Universalism. But when part of the corporate church ascended to a POLITICAL religious Organization which began ruling the world it JUSTIFIED 'killing or coercion' into submission all who disagreed with its POV. The moving of the Spirit was quenched and 'true justice' from the plan of God came the 'justice' that only a devilish heart can justify as being fair in any true court IMO.Originally Posted by Nerfball
"As I said, universalism is appealing to me. As I've said elsewhere, the doctrine of eternal damnation is troubling to me. But I'm not going to reinvent Christianity to make myself happy. I'm going to trust that whatever eternal damnation turns out to be, I'll see that it's consistent with the just, merciful and loving nature of the God in whom I believe."
One of my friends on another thread a former PHD professor just responded>>>>
MysticPhd
Our ignorant ancestors were steeped in the OT beliefs about their War God and refused to give up their indoctrination to fully accept what this upstart Jesus tried to tell them about the True Nature of God as agape love. So Jesus SHOWED them at the expense of His body and life. He endured scourging and crucifixion while loving even His torturers and murderers. He smote no one. Unfortunately, even that unambiguous demonstration of God's true nature fell to the ignorance of our ancestors' and their belief in blood sacrifice to appease their wrathful and vengeful OT God. The rest is history. Sad, very sad. There is NOTHING merciful, loving or compassionate about eternal damnation for the actions of a finite life, period! It accomplishes NOTHING and is ONLY punitive and vengeful. That you choose NOT to see what is so obvious reveals your closed mind and fear of God who you should love.
That which started with the mother of harlots has simply been passed down to the generational Protestant offspring. And yet, though the church as an ORGANIZATIONISM still lives high in the world there is still no doubt that the ORGANISM of the true church still lives within those cold divided walls of DenominationalISM. Jesus is not done sanctifying His bride. He is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle. I must simply not fight His sanctifying work in my life. A sanctifying which will allow me to offer the same kind of forgiving grace to the Orthodox church, that I want them to believe for as, 'God gives to the unsaved world'. He is not done with the world, and He is not done with me. I still snake bite those manifesting the religious spirit, even though they do so by bucking the quenched spirit of Christ within their bosoms. Is their POV an offense to the God we see? Yes, but I should not take up an offense which really just hurts me more than the one I claim to serve.
EPH 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
He overlooks so many shortcomings in me, how can I justify my un-Christlike attitude toward those who've had their minds taken captive by the adversary to believe the lie that 'ETERNAL TORTURE' can even come close to 'JUSTICE'? Not even the sufferings cause by the many Caesars and Hitlers of history can come close to what 'the nominal most' think is FAIR JUSTICE for sin.
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My dear brother in arms: You are so funny! How will I keep up with you? You are already before me at the "chateau". You were so generous in your giving, evidently you have spent a remarkable amount of time speaking to the Personage I see in your logo. He, after all, is why we are joined here on this link, and by His "all the more Presence " we look forward to continued joy speaking of Him & and a retirement Plan that is off the charts!
I am debating what to do with this windfall. I actually know what I will do, but it is in the dimension of mystery, to be disclosed down the road if all toes remain on this side of Glory. Again my brother, thank you!
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