yeshuaslavejeff
simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Perverting Scripture for one's personal belief system which opposes Jesus is not acceptable to Yahweh , not to Jesus, and not to Ekklesia born again by Yahweh.
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Dear slaveboy: Your word for today=
δουλόω
1. To bring into bondage/ under bondage.
2. To be held in bondage/ be under bondage.
3. To be enslaved.
Why does your demeanor show all of the above?
There is however hope for slaves! You have approached the right link!
Originally Posted by ttruscott
I know what verse 28 says but did you deliberately ignore the exception implied in verse 29: But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”…eternal: Strong's Concordance G166. aiónios: agelong, eternal
Short Definition: eternal, unending
I think you may have stepped upon the cuff of your fine linen...unless you have authority to change this verse?
FineLinen responds
- There is nothing in koine, nothing, that uses eternal/aidios in any aspect but the aidios God who indeed is eternal.
The following link gives the translations from numerous translators.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/mark/3-29-compare.html
The Scripture in question most certainly is speaking of that which carries a penalty, a most severe penalty! Aionios is NOT eternal, but encompassing an age, whether long or short, but coming to a close.
Young's Literal Translation=
"but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;"
The Bible in Basic English=
"But whoever says evil things against the Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but the evil he has done will be with him for ever."
Weymouth New Testament=
"but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, he remains for ever unabsolved: he is guilty of a sin of the Ages."
Rotherham=
"But, whosoever shall revile against the Holy Spirit, hath no forgiveness, unto times age-abiding,—but is guilty of an age-abiding sin:"
Jonathan Mitchell N.T. Translation=
http://www.greater-emmanuel.org/jmt/
"Yet whoever may speak injuriously (blaspheme; misrepresent maliciously) into the Set-apart Breath-effect (the Holy Spirit) continues not having a release (not holding a deliverance or a divorce; not possessing a forgiveness) – into the Age. But rather, he continues existing being one caught (or: held) within an eonian effect of a mistake (or: within a result of having missed the target in the eonian realm; in the midst of an age-lasting result of a sin or of error; in union with an effect of failure with respect to things which pertain to the Age)"
you know, i bought a young's literal, have it here... but the BOOKS of the Bible aren't LABELED in it lol I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING!!! lol
thanks man, i can search thru it and put little tabs on the pages i guessDear Hugs: I have a Young's & and old original Strong's given to me as a wee Christian by a dear Baptist pastor. You may find the following link helpful>>>>>
Young's Literal
https://www.biblestudytools.com/ylt/
hahaha, looks like poverty for Jesus is eluding you!!Calling Hillsage: Come in Hillsage
My dear brother: you are throwing my wee plan of poverty into serious problems (for the moment). Having you here from day 1 has been worth starting this link! Having a chosen vessel who sits in the Presence of the Christ is beyond words. Thank you!
"From Him, through Him, for Him."
hahaha, looks like poverty for Jesus is eluding you!!
there must be a scripture about that sort of thing lol
I am leaving the religion of Christianity behind, because it's chock full of WRONG... I am a 'believer' of Paul's gospel to the gentiles, i'm a member of the body of Christ... but I am no longer a member of the mainstream Christian religion.... i'm tired... so don't worry if you don't hear from me for a while...
yes, mainstream is a BIG flock, and it definitely falls short... a jumble of false doctrines, and a mixing of law and grace that paul calls 'no gospel' i think... grace is no longer grace and law is no longer law...Dear Hugs: I always worry about you! Actually my "chateau" is pointed towards Abba on your behalf & and every last one! Just show up when you can, mainstream falls short of the little flock of sons & daughters, very short!
My Fine brother. I have never once taken the time to give blessings and had to figure out how to even do it, this very first time. So, although I seldom get blessings because I'm here in UNORTHODOX, because I AM in many ways besides UR, there have still been some generous souls over the years allowing me to acquire quite a retirement plan. A plan which I dug deep in to for your 'blessing' ministry. I actually thought about giving my all, but I found out that no matter how unimportant 'giving' has obviously been for me, I was still stingy enough to just give you 'only' over 1/2 of my 'virtual reality' wealth. Enjoy them and make many happy brother. And put me on the prayer list for not giving my all....if our Father leads, not because I asked.Calling Hillsage: Come in Hillsage
My dear brother: you are throwing my wee plan of poverty into serious problems (for the moment). Having you here from day 1 has been worth starting this link! Having a chosen vessel who sits in the Presence of the Christ is beyond words. Thank you!
"From Him, through Him, for Him."
Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. And the Israelites of yesterday did no different than the early church of our day. The church's overwhelming position was UR or Universalism. But when part of the corporate church ascended to a POLITICAL religious Organization which began ruling the world it JUSTIFIED 'killing or coercion' into submission all who disagreed with its POV. The moving of the Spirit was quenched and 'true justice' from the plan of God came the 'justice' that only a devilish heart can justify as being fair in any true court IMO.Originally Posted by Nerfball
"As I said, universalism is appealing to me. As I've said elsewhere, the doctrine of eternal damnation is troubling to me. But I'm not going to reinvent Christianity to make myself happy. I'm going to trust that whatever eternal damnation turns out to be, I'll see that it's consistent with the just, merciful and loving nature of the God in whom I believe."
One of my friends on another thread a former PHD professor just responded>>>>
MysticPhd
Our ignorant ancestors were steeped in the OT beliefs about their War God and refused to give up their indoctrination to fully accept what this upstart Jesus tried to tell them about the True Nature of God as agape love. So Jesus SHOWED them at the expense of His body and life. He endured scourging and crucifixion while loving even His torturers and murderers. He smote no one. Unfortunately, even that unambiguous demonstration of God's true nature fell to the ignorance of our ancestors' and their belief in blood sacrifice to appease their wrathful and vengeful OT God. The rest is history. Sad, very sad. There is NOTHING merciful, loving or compassionate about eternal damnation for the actions of a finite life, period! It accomplishes NOTHING and is ONLY punitive and vengeful. That you choose NOT to see what is so obvious reveals your closed mind and fear of God who you should love.
My Fine brother. I have never once taken the time to give blessings and had to figure out how to even do it, this very first time. So, although I seldom get blessings because I'm here in UNORTHODOX, because I AM in many ways besides UR, there have still been some generous souls over the years allowing me to acquire quite a retirement plan. A plan which I dug deep in to for your 'blessing' ministry. I actually thought about giving my all, but I found out that no matter how unimportant 'giving' has obviously been for me, I was still stingy enough to just give you over 1/2 of my 'virtual reality' wealth. Enjoy them and make many happy brother. And put me on the prayer list for not giving my all....if our Father leads, not because I asked.