THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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The 10 commandments involve behavior. What about coveting? What does coveting behavior look like?

Not coveting is not desiring other peoples things. Behavior starts in the heart and is why God's LAW can only be obeyed through LOVE (from the heart). A NEW HEART and God's LAW written in the HEART is the NEW COVENANT promise and why we must be Born again (John 14:15; Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:9).

MATTHEW 5:28 [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
 
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Hi Saintly Sinner, nice to meet you here.

Did you have a chance to read the OP? There is no one scripture in all of God's WORD that says that Gods 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and tradition of men that has lead many to break God's Commandments. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. If we willfully and knowingly follow man made traditions that break God's Commandments the Word of God says we are not really following God. * JOHN 15:3-9.

Thanks for your thoughts SS nice to meet you.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Words. :wave:

That sounds nice, until you consider that Christianity altogether has been following the wrong day for the past nearly 1500 years.
You willing to call all of Christianity wrong based on some interpretation you made in Scripture?
 
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That sounds nice, until you consider that Christianity altogether has been following the wrong day for the past nearly 1500 years.
You willing to call all of Christianity wrong based on some interpretation you made in Scripture?

Yes SS, Sunday Worship has been handed down by the Mother Church to her daughters in Protestantism.

Trouble is here we are dealing with God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments that give us all a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken. If we are dealing with sin, who should we believe God or man? Who should we follow God or man?

ROMANS 3:4 [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

It is only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD that are his people and none will enter the KINGDOM of heaven while living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin.

All through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures it has only been the minority that have been God's people.

Thanks for your thought SS. May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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Yes SS, Sunday Worship has been handed down by the Mother Church to her daughters in Protestantism.

Trouble is here we are dealing with God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments that give us all a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken. If we are dealing with sin, who should we believe God or man? Who should we follow God or man?

ROMANS 3:4 [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

It is only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD that are his people and none will enter the KINGDOM of heaven while living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin.

All through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures it has only been the minority that have been God's people.

Thanks for your thought SS. May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Your entire interpretation rests on some half-black woman back in the 1800's who had every reason to conflict Christianity against white people.
Whether you want to recognize it or not, Sunday was the day of Jesus's Assumption, and where we let go of the day of Creation to celebrate what He made for us.
Let go of that heresy.
 
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Your entire interpretation rests on some half-black woman back in the 1800's who had every reason to conflict Christianity against white people.
Whether you want to recognize it or not, Sunday was the day of Jesus's Assumption, and where we let go of the day of Creation to celebrate what He made for us.
Let go of that heresy.

Sorry SS,

None of that has any truth in it whatsoever. For me I prayerfully study God's WORD for myself and only BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Only God's WORD has been provided for this OP. I have no idea what you are talking about in your post above. The only heresy is unbiblical man made teachings and traditions that lead others away from God's WORD to follow the teachings and traditions of men.

If you disagree with the OP here you are welcome to prove it wrong with God's WORD. Did you have any scriptures to share? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Not coveting is not desiring other peoples things. Behavior starts in the heart and is why God's LAW can only be obeyed through LOVE (from the heart). A NEW HEART and God's LAW written in the HEART is the NEW COVENANT promise and why we must be Born again
Ok it starts in the heart but it isn't behavior in the heart. So, you said all of the commandments are behavior. what about coveting. What does it look like when people commit that sin.
 
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Ok it starts in the heart but it isn't behavior in the heart. So, you said all of the commandments are behavior. what about coveting. What does it look like when people commit that sin.

Hi Eloy, not really all behaviour both good and bad starts in the heart. Please read what was posted earlier...

Coveting is desiring or lusting after other peoples things. Good or bad behaviour starts in the heart and is why God's LAW can only be obeyed through LOVE (from the heart). A NEW HEART and God's LAW written in the HEART is the NEW COVENANT promise and why we must be Born again (John 14:15; Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:9).

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MATTHEW 5:28 [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The above scripture was posted to demonstrate what we are talking about and is a good example. You do not need to commit the physical act of Adultery to commit Adultery in God's eyes. By thinking lustful thoughts about someone, you have already commited Adultery before the physical act of adultery starts.

This is the same with coveting. Coveting is desiring and lusting after your neighbore's things and is the root of all sin before it begins in the physical act.

Hope this helps.
 
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MATTHEW 5:28 [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
The seventh day Sabbath is entered into by a specific behavior that is repeated in sequentially equal intervals. Not behaving in such manner was a sin for those under the Law. Behaving in such manner wasn't a proof that the moral aspect of the Sabbath is accomplished. Therefore it is the ceremonial aspect of the commandment. An aspect of a moral law that is ceremonial. That's why man has the authority through Christ to change it to Sunday. It's a 'positive' law, meaning it is a 'do this' not a 'thou shalt not'. It being a positive ceremonial Law is why Jesus said "The sabbath is for man not man for the Sabbath". The early church had the authority to change the day to worship God to Sunday rather than Saturday.
 
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Hi Eloy, not really all behaviour both good and bad starts in the heart.
All sin starts in the heart but man is able to resist temptation. Humans have the power to not behave badly when the heart desires to do so. Besides there is a reason that you can't say that behavior is happening in the heart.
 
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Sabbath isn't about which day a person goes to church. This idea completely misses what Jesus was trying to teach the pharisees when he broke the sabbath and yet did not sin. (Note: He's not teaching that it's okay to work on the sabbath as long as you go into the medical field. One is still doing good even by working as a cashier at the local grocery store.)

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Sabbath isn't about which day a person goes to church. This idea completely misses what Jesus was trying to teach the pharisees when he broke the sabbath and yet did not sin. (Note: He's not teaching that it's okay to work on the sabbath as long as you go into the medical field. One is still doing good even by working as a cashier at the local grocery store.)

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Hi Bekkilyn, Yeah Jesus was quite the rogue. He seemed to be always correcting the Pharisees in matters of the heart. Them putting the observance over the meaning of Sabbath. For me there is no better day than the day the merits of the cross were given to the believers. The day Jesus resurrected and the day of Pentecost. Other than that, whatever the Apostles decided I have faith in, I want to worship with the community as much as possible.

I think Jesus is closer to the paycheck to paycheck wage earner than other workers. Paycheck to paycheck living is like the 40 years in the desert when they got just enough manna for that day. imo.:wave:
 
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The seventh day Sabbath is entered into by a specific behavior that is repeated in sequentially equal intervals. Not behaving in such manner was a sin for those under the Law. Behaving in such manner wasn't a proof that the moral aspect of the Sabbath is accomplished. Therefore it is the ceremonial aspect of the commandment. An aspect of a moral law that is ceremonial. That's why man has the authority through Christ to change it to Sunday. It's a 'positive' law, meaning it is a 'do this' not a 'thou shalt not'. It being a positive ceremonial Law is why Jesus said "The sabbath is for man not man for the Sabbath". The early church had the authority to change the day to worship God to Sunday rather than Saturday.

Hello Eloy,

It seems you do not understand the purspose of the Sabbath or it's intent. Just like everyone of God's Commandments it can only be kept by faith that works by love in the NEW HEART in those who have been Born again. None of the 10 Commandments are ceremonial. All are MORAL and the 4th is a memorial of creation and God as as the creator. Disobedience to any of God's Commandments is sin (Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) because breaking any one of them is the KNLOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

Mankind has NO AUTHORITY to change any of God's commandments. Please show your scriptures for this statement. There is not one scripture in the entire bible that says mankind has the authroity to change any one of God's 10 Commandments, just the same as there is not a single scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment Sabbath has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

This is a man made teaching and tradition handed dow by the Roman Catholic Chuch. Jesus says in his own words those who follow the teachings and tradititions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God..

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

.................

SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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Sabbath isn't about which day a person goes to church. This idea completely misses what Jesus was trying to teach the pharisees when he broke the sabbath and yet did not sin. (Note: He's not teaching that it's okay to work on the sabbath as long as you go into the medical field. One is still doing good even by working as a cashier at the local grocery store.)

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What puzzles me is why you keep saying things and making strawmen arguments that no one is talking about. Who here has said to you the Sabbath is about what day you go to church on? Please post the link and where are your scriptures?

HOW DO WE KEEP THE SABBATH?

WHAT DOES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT SAY?

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH?

v10 The SEVENTH DAY of the week. (Saturday)

WHEN DOES THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK START?

GENESIS 1:4-5
[4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A day in God's time is the night (darkness) and the light make up one day. The DAY in God's WORD starts at SUNSET and ends the following SUNSET. So God's 4th Commandment Sabbath would start Friday at SUNSET and end Saturday at SUNSET.

ALL UNECCESSARY WORK TO BE DONE BEFORE FRIDAY SUNSET

EXODUS 16:22-23
[22], And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
[23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH?

MATTHEW 12:5-12
[5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
[9], And when he was departed from there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man who had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

MARK 2:27, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

WHAT IS LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

1. Remembering the creator and his creation (Exod 20:8-11)
2. Rest from all unnecessary work (Ecodus 20:10-11)
3. Doing good (Matt 12:12)
4. Prayer (Acts 16:13; Matt 21:13)
5. Worship the creator (Isaiah 58:13-14; Ex 34:14; 1KING 9:6; Rev 14:6-12)

Song, praise, bible study, helping others, preaching the gospel, resting, prayer, seeking God, remembering the creator and his creation. Walking in nature, going to church with like minded believers. (too many scriptures)

WHAT IS NOT LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

WORK; all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week and anything to do with work (Exodus 20:8-11; Ex 16:22-23; Matt 21:13).

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There is no purpose in FOLLOWING any of God's LAWs including the SABBATH if it is NOT done through FAITH that works by LOVE because it is ONLY as GOD writes his LAW to LOVE then we can take up our beds to follow him. LOVE is the fulfilling of GOd's LAW in those who BELIEVE (Rom 13:8-10)

Hope this helps.
 
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seems you do not understand the purspose of the Sabbath or it's intent. Just like everyone of God's Commandments it can only be kept by faith that works by love in the NEW HEART in those who have been Born again. None of the 10 Commandments are ceremonial. All a
 
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it can only be kept by faith that works by love in the NEW HEART in those who have been Born again.
Then why is the particular day necessary to act in faith and love with a new heart? Why do you make a particular seventh day a moral law? Isn't that a matter of conditions and circumstance the people find themselves in at that time in history?
 
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Then why is the particular day necessary to act in faith and love with a new heart? Why do you make a particular seventh day a moral law? Isn't that a matter of conditions and circumstance the people find themselves in at that time in history?

Good question Eloy, all the ten Commandments are God's Moral laws that show us our duty towards God and our fellow man (Exodus 20:1-17). All of them can only be kept by faith that works by LOVE and is why we need a new heart to LOVE (Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's LAW plays the same role they always have and that is they give us the KNOWLEDGE of right and wrong, good and evil, sin (if broken) and rightouesness (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 Jonn 3:4). They are the very standard of the OLD and NEW COVENANANT and the Judgment to come. (Exodus 20:1-17; Hebrews 8:10-12; James 2:8-12)

Hope this helps.
 
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Hi All,

This thread is for scripture only. We would like to show that the "LORD'S DAY" that many proclaim is SUNDAY is a false teaching and you will not find this in God's WORD.

Let's start by looking at your scriptures that many use to claim SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY"

REVELATIONS 1:9-11 [9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. [10], I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [11], Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!

NOW the only problem you have is the need to show scripture that says SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY.

Can you please provide scripture that says SUNDAY or the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the "LORD'S DAY"?

If you cannot find any scriptures to say that SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY" then you have a problem.

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Now let's look at the scriptures that give the answer to our question

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?
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MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY
(MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

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Now friend's the SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of God's 10 Commandments and there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. The same as there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.

John in the book of REVELATIONS 1:10 was in the SPIRIT on the SABBATH DAY not SUNDAY!

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HOW WAS THE LORD'S DAY CHANGED TO SUNDAY?

SUNDAY Worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down by the Roman Catholic Church that has lead many to break and ignore God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)


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ARE YOU FOLLOWING A MAN MADE TRADITION IN SUNDAY WORSHIP?

God's WORD is very clear. If we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

.................

SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

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God knows many follow these traditions from ignorance because they do not know any better. He loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Seek him in prayer asking for his Spirit to guide and teach you. He promises to be your guide and teacher. (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

May God bless you all as you seek him first through his Word. To him be all the glory forever and ever AMEN!


<<No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!>>

I believe you misunderstand this scripture; The lord's Day is not WHEN John was in the spirit, but rather WHERE he was in the spirit; he was told to write down what he saw and the Book of Revelation is a description of the Lord's day, the day of God's vengeance, that great and terrible day of the Lord.
 
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<<No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!>>

I believe you misunderstand this scripture; The lord's Day is not WHEN John was in the spirit, but rather WHERE he was in the spirit; he was told to write down what he saw and the Book of Revelation is a description of the Lord's day, the day of God's vengeance, that great and terrible day of the Lord.

Hi sparrow, nice to meet you and thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have heard this before but do not agree with this interpretation that Revelation 1:10 is in reference to "Day of the Lord" (God's vengence) as it is written in the GREEK "Lord's Day" (κυριακή ημέρα; day belonging to the Lord). That is this is the day John was in the Spirit receiving his vision was the time of the vision, the Lord's Day.

The phrase in this latter passage is totally different. The phrase here is; en te kuriake hemera. The adjective is applied by Paul to the Lord’s Supper: from the Supper it came to be applied to the day.

On the Lord's day - The word rendered here as "Lord's" (κυριακῇ kuriakē), occurs only in this place and in 1 Corinthians 11:20, where it is applied to the Lord's supper. It properly means "belonging to the Lord"; and, so far as this word is concerned, "a day; belonging to the Lord," in any sense, or for any reason; either because he claimed it as his own, he was the "Creator" of the Sabbath. It is that day he set aside and rested on in the creation week, made known to his disciples that he made this day and he was the creator of it Lord and set it aside and made Holy (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8).

Jesus being the creator of all things and Lord's of the Sabbath would not be common to the Jews as the majority of them did not believe Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus as creator and Lord of the Sabbath was a revelation from God to his people. Hence Lord's day the day of the Sabbath that all God's people knew about is applied to Jesus as the creator of it.

It is clear that in reference to Revelation 1:10: That this refers to some day which was distinguished from all other days of the week, and which would be sufficiently designated by the use of this term "κυριακή ημέρα; day belonging to the Lord" κυριακή ημέρα that it was a day which was for some reason regarded as especially a day of the Lord, or especially devoted to him. κυριακή ημέρα it would further appear that this was a day particularly devoted to the Lord Jesus; for: that is the natural meaning of the word "Lord" as used in the New Testament and in, MATTHEW 12:8 κύριος γαρ εστι του σαββάτου ο υιός του ανθρώπου with the Word Lord κύριος being used here as supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller ; God, Lord. The Sabbath is the day that distinguishes Jesus as LORD, God creator of all things. This is the day (Sabbath) that John received his Vision.

MATTHEW 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps.
 
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Hi sparrow, nice to meet you and thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have heard this before but do not agree with this interpretation that it is in reference to "Day of the Lord" (God's vengence) as it is written in the GREEK "Lord's Day" (κυριακή ημέρα; day belonging to the Lord). That is this is the day John was in the Spirit receiving his vision was the Lord's Day.

The phrase in this latter passage is totally different. The phrase here is; en te kuriake hemera. The adjective is applied by Paul to the Lord’s Supper: from the Supper it came to be applied to the day.

On the Lord's day - The word rendered here as "Lord's" (κυριακῇ kuriakē), occurs only in this place and in 1 Corinthians 11:20, where it is applied to the Lord's supper. It properly means "belonging to the Lord"; and, so far as this word is concerned, "a day; belonging to the Lord," in any sense, or for any reason; either because he claimed it as his own, he was the "Creator" of the Sabbath. It is that day he set aside and rested on in the creation week, made known to his disciples that he made this day and he was the creator of it Lord and set it aside and made Holy (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8).

Jesus being the creator of all things and Lord's of the Sabbath would not be common to the Jews as the majority of them did not believe Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus as creator and Lord of the Sabbath was a revelation from God to his people. Hence Lord's day the day of the Sabbath that all God's people knew about is applied to Jesus as the creator of it.

It is clear that in reference to Revelation 1:10: That this refers to some day which was distinguished from all other days of the week, and which would be sufficiently designated by the use of this term "κυριακή ημέρα; day belonging to the Lord" κυριακή ημέρα that it was a day which was for some reason regarded as especially a day of the Lord, or especially devoted to him. κυριακή ημέρα it would further appear that this was a day particularly devoted to the Lord Jesus; for: that is the natural meaning of the word "Lord" as used in the New Testament and in, MATTHEW 12:8 κύριος γαρ εστι του σαββάτου ο υιός του ανθρώπου with the Word Lord κύριος being used here as supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller ; God, Lord. The Sabbath is the day that distinguishes Jesus as LORD, God creator of all things. This is the day (Sabbath) that John received his Vision.

MATTHEW 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps.


I do not doubt your knowledge of the Greek language, but the scriptures are copies and the earliest copies are 30 years after the original; it is possible "the Lord's day" is edited in.

None the less I take a logical approach. All things be long to God, Sunday also; in the 4th commandment, "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God". I do not believe this implies a special ownership nor do I believe that, "the Sabbath is made for man", implies ownership, instead it implies purpose.

Mark 2:27-28 (NKJV)
27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

So the Sunday keeping Church fathers called their Sunday the "Lord's day", and whether you like it or not "The lord's Day" refers to the Pagan Sunday, why, well from Isiah, "they will where their own garments and use the Lord's name to hide their reproach.

Suppose John said he was in the spirit on the Sabbath and he was not shy on using that word in other writings: The Sabbath would the need to relative to what follows. but it is irrelevant what day it happened. If john said he was in the spirit day of the lord, that would make sense and be relative to what follows; John was taken in the spirit to the time of the end (truly SDA jargon), in the same manner that James was taken in the spirit to the Ethiopian. Revelation is an a count of the time of the end or the Day of the Lord.

Isaiah 13:9 (NKJV)
9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it.

Jeremiah 46:10 (NKJV)
10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, A day of vengeance, That He may avenge Himself on His adversaries. The sword shall devour; It shall be satiated and made drunk with their blood; For the Lord GOD of hosts has a sacrifice In the north country by the River Euphrates.

Joel 1:15 (NKJV)
15 Alas for the day! For the day of the LORD is at hand; It shall come as destruction from the Almighty.

Joel 2:1 (NKJV)
1 Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the LORD is coming, For it is at hand:

Joel 2:11 (NKJV)
11 The LORD gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great; For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?

Joel 2:31 (NKJV)
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

Zephaniah 1:8 (NKJV)
8 "And it shall be, In the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, That I will punish the princes and the king's children, And all such as are clothed with foreign apparel.

Zephaniah 1:18 (NKJV)
18 Neither their silver nor their gold Shall be able to deliver them In the day of the LORD'S wrath; But the whole land shall be devoured By the fire of His jealousy, For He will make speedy riddance Of all those who dwell in the land.

Zephaniah 2:3 (NKJV)
3 Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden In the day of the LORD'S anger.

Malachi 4:4-5 (NKJV)
4 "Remember the Law of Moses, My servant, Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Acts 2:20 (NKJV)
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 (NKJV)
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10 (NKJV)
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
 
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I do not doubt your knowledge of the Greek language, but the scriptures are copies and the earliest copies are 30 years after the original; it is possible "the Lord's day" is edited in.

None the less I take a logical approach. All things be long to God, Sunday also; in the 4th commandment, "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God". I do not believe this implies a special ownership nor do I believe that, "the Sabbath is made for man", implies ownership, instead it implies purpose.

Mark 2:27-28 (NKJV)
27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

So the Sunday keeping Church fathers called their Sunday the "Lord's day", and whether you like it or not "The lord's Day" refers to the Pagan Sunday, why, well from Isiah, "they will where their own garments and use the Lord's name to hide their reproach.

Suppose John said he was in the spirit on the Sabbath and he was not shy on using that word in other writings: The Sabbath would the need to relative to what follows. but it is irrelevant what day it happened. If john said he was in the spirit day of the lord, that would make sense and be relative to what follows; John was taken in the spirit to the time of the end (truly SDA jargon), in the same manner that James was taken in the spirit to the Ethiopian. Revelation is an a count of the time of the end or the Day of the Lord.

Isaiah 13:9 (NKJV)
9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it.

Jeremiah 46:10 (NKJV)
10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, A day of vengeance, That He may avenge Himself on His adversaries. The sword shall devour; It shall be satiated and made drunk with their blood; For the Lord GOD of hosts has a sacrifice In the north country by the River Euphrates.

Joel 1:15 (NKJV)
15 Alas for the day! For the day of the LORD is at hand; It shall come as destruction from the Almighty.

Joel 2:1 (NKJV)
1 Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the LORD is coming, For it is at hand:

Joel 2:11 (NKJV)
11 The LORD gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great; For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?

Joel 2:31 (NKJV)
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

Zephaniah 1:8 (NKJV)
8 "And it shall be, In the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, That I will punish the princes and the king's children, And all such as are clothed with foreign apparel.

Zephaniah 1:18 (NKJV)
18 Neither their silver nor their gold Shall be able to deliver them In the day of the LORD'S wrath; But the whole land shall be devoured By the fire of His jealousy, For He will make speedy riddance Of all those who dwell in the land.

Zephaniah 2:3 (NKJV)
3 Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden In the day of the LORD'S anger.

Malachi 4:4-5 (NKJV)
4 "Remember the Law of Moses, My servant, Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Acts 2:20 (NKJV)
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 (NKJV)
2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10 (NKJV)
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Hi sparow,

Nice to hear from you and thanks for your thoughts, while I love the scriptures you have provided on the "Day of the Lord" and also believe them in relation and context to the 2nd coming and God's judgment. Your application to these scriptures as a reference to Revelation 1:10 does not make any sense as your

1. trying to compare Hebrew word's to Greek word's that have a different meaning and
2. your not considering the within scripture and chapter context of your Hebrew words within the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures to the GREEK words used in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures (Revelation 1:10).

Let's take a quick look at the scriptures you have quoted in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT.

All the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures you have quoted earlier from Isaiah 13:9, Jeremiah 46:10, Joel 1:15, Joel 2:1, Joel 2:11, Joel 2:31, Zephaniah 1:8, Zephaniah 1:18, Zephaniah 2:3, Malachi 4:4-5 use the Hebrew for "Day of the Lord" Hebrew is יום יהוה
means day of yehôvâh or day of God.

The CONTEXT of and reference of the day in every one of these OLD TESTAMENT scriptures is in reference to;

yehôvâh's (God's)...

1. day of anger (Is 13:9; Zeph 2:3)
2. day of wrath, (Is 13:9; Zeph 1:18)
3. day of vengence, (Jer 46:10)
4. terrible day, (Joel 2:11; 31; Mal 4:5)
5. who can abide this day (Joel 2:11)
6. day to destroy sinners (Is 13:9; Joel 1:15
7. day to tremble (Joel 2:1)
8. day to punish (Zeph 1:8)

So the CONTEXT of the day used here is to the Lord's anger, wrath, vengence, to punish, destroy sinners. It is a terrible day where all will tremble. This is the COTEXT reference to all these scriptures used in reference to the "day"

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Now compare all the above scripture from the HEBREW OLD TESTAMENT we have different GREEK words and context being used. Let's look at the scriptures and GREEK word meanings again. We will then latter compare these to the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures you provided.

Revelation 1:10-20
[10], I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [
[11], Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
[12], And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
[13], And in the middle of the seven candlesticks one like to the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the breasts with a golden girdle.
[14], His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
[15], And his feet like to fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
[16], And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in his strength.
[17], And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand on me, saying to me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
[18], I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for ever more, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
[19], Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
[20], The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which you saw are the seven churches.

Now I could have posted the whole chapter. I wanted to highlight the CONTEXT of v10 which is what? John is taken in VISION to Jesus as our great high priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary. It is NOT the DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGENCE or second coming. Jesus is talking to John in the midst of the seven golden candle sticks in the Heavenly Sanctuary.

Now let's look at the scripture again in v10. John says in v10

"I was in the Spirit on the "Lord's day" the meaning and scripture CONTEXT is different here to what you have provided in the OLD TESTAMENT HEBREW. The OLD TESTAMENT HEBREW was "day of the Lord" wrath, vengence, to punish, destroy sinners. It is a terrible day where all will tremble.

The GREEK use of the word "Lord's Day" is " κυριακή ημέρα; day belonging to the Lord. John says he was in the Spirit on the day belonging to the Lord. Where was John in Vision?

[12], And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
[13], And in the middle of the seven candlesticks one like to the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the breasts with a golden girdle.
[14], His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

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CONCLUSION: John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day in the Heavenly Sancuary not the day of the Lord's wrath.

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Finally, let's look at the three GREEK NEW TESTAMENT scriptures used which where Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:22 and 2 Peter 3:10. All three scriptures use ημέρα κυρίου "day of the Lord" this is the same in meaning as GREEK "DAY OF THE GOD". The CONTEXT once again in all three scriptures is similar to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures you quoted. That is it is the day of anger, wrath, vengence, to punish, destroy sinners. It is a terrible day where all will tremble. 2nd Coming.

Now notice the the GREEK word used in Revelation 1:10 is different to ημέρα κυρίου "day of the Lord". In Revelation 1:10 the GREEK words κυριακή ημέρα; which mean "day belonging to the Lord". Within scripture CONTEXT means John was "in the Spirit on the day belonging to the Lord". John was taken in the Spirit on the Lord's day to the Heavenly Sanctuary and spoke with Jesus.


Hope this helps. :wave:
 
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