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I guess its a waiting game then
Patience is a virtue............

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness,
but is patient to us-ward.
Not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


James 5:8
7 Be patient then brethren! till the parousia of the Lord
behold! the farmer doth expect the precious fruit of the earth,
being patient for it, till he may receive rain — early and latter;
8 be ye patient! also stand-fast! the hearts of ye,

that the parousia of the Lord has drawn nigh/hggiken <1448> (5758);

 
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You're still waiting for Elijah? Don't you know that John the baptist was Elijah?

Matthew 11:13-14
13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”
10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first[fn] and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist. Clearly Jesus agrees that Elijah is coming again and reaffirms that John came in the Spirit of Elijah.
 
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I believe the two witnesses will literally be Moses and Elijah.


Jos 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,

Jos 1:2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

Moses is dead...

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How about if the Olive Tree turned into a pile of firewood, or if it started dropping olives on the ground, or if the candlestick's top caught on fire and kept burning like a menorah, would that do it for you, also???

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BA where did you get this from? Do you mock? Are you convinced that in the OP are the two witnesses in Revelation. Well, since it appears that you don't know what characteristics to look for.Here it is.
Rev.11:
The Two Witnesses
11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”a]">[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.NIV
 
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Jos 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,

Jos 1:2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

Moses is dead...

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The two witnesses talk with Jesus on a mountain.

“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.” (Matthew 17:1-4).

The two witnesses breathe fire out of their mouth and they are eventually killed and then raised from the dead in the streets.

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.” (Revelation 11:3-12).

How can they be forever dead if they die again?
 
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BA where did you get this from? Do you mock? Are you convinced that in the OP are the two witnesses in Revelation. Well, since it appears that you don't know what characteristics to look for.Here it is.
Rev.11:
The Two Witnesses
11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”a]">[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.NIV

I am not mocking.

I got it from Jesus.

I am simply asking why anybody would ignore the fact that Christ told us in Revelation 1:20 that the candlesticks (lampstands) are a symbol of the churches, and then we turn around and ignore what He said in chapter 4 of the same book?

We know the two witnesses are symbolized by the Olive Trees and Candlesticks, but yet we think other parts of the passage are literal?

If these are not two men made of wood and metal, then what is the probability that much of the rest of the passage is also symbolic?



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The two witnesses talk with Jesus on a mountain.

“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.” (Matthew 17:1-4).

Can you show us the word "witnesses" in the text of the "vision" where Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ?

You missed the main point of the text.

Moses represents the Old Covenant which would be made "obsolete" by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13, and Elijah represents the Old Testament prophets, who foretold of the Messiah who was to come.


What did God say?


Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Based on Luke 24:25-27, the whole Old Testament is about Christ.

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Can you show us the word "witnesses" in the text of the "vision" where Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ?

You missed the main point of the text.

Moses represents the Old Covenant which would be made "obsolete" by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13, and Elijah represents the Old Testament prophets, who foretold of the Messiah who was to come.


What did God say?


Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Based on Luke 24:25-27, the whole Old Testament is about Christ.

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And Christ came and said in John 15:26-27

And they both witness to this day..and everyday in between. Its not new..
 
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I am not mocking.

I got it from Jesus.

I am simply asking why anybody would ignore the fact that Christ told us in Revelation 1:20 that the candlesticks (lampstands) are a symbol of the churches, and then we turn around and ignore what He said in chapter 4 of the same book?

We know the two witnesses are symbolized by the Olive Trees and Candlesticks, but yet we think other parts of the passage are literal?

If these are not two men made of wood and metal, then what is the probability that much of the rest of the passage is also symbolic?



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First, lets look at the Scriptures:

The Two Witnesses:
(Prophecy begins by the Two Witnesses (Moses & Elijah)):

Malachi 4:5

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD

Zechariah 4:11 and Zechariah 4:14

"11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?" ... "14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."

Revelation 11:1-5

And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, “Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.” “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Second, it is literal because it does not use a metaphor to describe something beyond the realm of possibility. The text describes it like a real event. This is common basic reading with all texts that you should read. The basic rule of reading is that when you read something, you should read it literally unless it is clear that it is speaking metaphorical because it is too outside the realm of possibility. For example: The lamb with many eyes is obviously a metaphorical picture of something else because we know the Lamb represents Jesus and the many eyes thing is just a little out there to take place even in Heaven. But when it talks about the events of two witnesses in the End Times, that is very much a real event that will happen because the language reads like it can happen with no problem. Maybe you didn't read comics as a kid to have an imagination. Maybe you don't have the capacity to understand that such thing sounds like it is within the realm of possibility. I mean, after all, do you write off Jesus dying and rising from the grave as a metaphor because it was a miracle? I sure hope not. Besides, the event in Revelation involving the two witnesses doesn't sound waaay too out there beyond the realm of reality. Maybe you did not take art class when you were in school. But I know the difference between a realistic painting and a metaphorical painting that is beyond this reality like say the works of Salvador Dali. Art and writing go hand in hand. They are both forms of communication. I say this because they relate to one another here (for me to show you what I am talking about).

Three, it doesn't take a detective to figure out that if Elijah and Moses were present with Jesus as witness of His 1st coming, then they would also show up again for his 2nd coming (Especially when Scripture confirms that Elijah will appear sometimes shortly before the dreaded period of time known as the "Day of the Lord.").

Four, I do not doubt that the Old Testament is all about Jesus Christ. That does not mean individual people like Abraham, Moses, Elijah existed and did things as examples for us in our walk with the Lord.
 
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First, lets look at the Scriptures:

The Two Witnesses:
(Prophecy begins by the Two Witnesses (Moses & Elijah)):

No, Moses and Elijah as an individual are NOT Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.

Malachi 4:5

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD

Of course... so much for the fact that there are many misguided souls today who still believe Elijah must physically come again before Christ returns to fulfill that prophecy. Why? Because they simply refuse to RECEIVE the truth that Christ spiritualized, what to them, is "so obviously literal."

Jesus refutes you... on TWO counts:

First:

Luke 1:13-17 KJV
[13] But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
[14] And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
[15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
[16] And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
[17] And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John the Baptist DID have the spirit and power of Elijah.

Second:

Matthew 11:12-15 KJV
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[15] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Elijah had already come first fulfilling the prophesy, but they didn't know him and thus did to him whatever they listed (chose). It wasn't that Elijah didn't already come exactly as Malachi prophesied, it was that they simply didn't know it because they were looking for all to be fulfilled physically and it spoke in Spirit and truth. Just as they missed the Messiah Jesus Christ for the same reason, they were busy looking or demand an Earthly or physical kingdom, reign, rule, freedom from the Romans, restoration of the nation of Israel physically, etc., etc. Just like the Dispentastiontists today! But God never intended it to be literally or physically Elijah. Using Scripture to interpret Scripture, we "know" that John the Baptist was the fulfillment. I did not say that, but God:

Luke 1:17
  • "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
John came as a metonymy in the same Spirit and Power of Elijah, not physically as Elijah, but after the model. And that is what the Malachi prophesy always meant no matter what Israel's Old Testament congregation leaders or Dispentastiontists supposed. It doesn't matter that some people don't get it, that's what the prophesy always looked forward to. Christ interpreted the meaning of this to His disciples (Look for yourself in Matthew 17:10-13; Luke 1:17) explaining it as referring to John the Baptist who came in the same "Spirit and Power" that characterized the prophet Elijah. As long as we interpret Scripture by Scripture and not by what "seems" right in our own eyes, or by book-sellers, church traditions or by mimicking ideas of famous theologians, we can not go wrong. Indeed, following your logic, Christ spiritualizes what is so obviously literal. But it's not so, Christ spiritualized what God always intended to be spiritual and not physical/literal, and it is He that sent the Spirit of truth that these things might be made known or revealed to us.

John 14:17
  • "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
Whether one sees these things or not is not in my hands, but in the power of the Spirit of truth that reveals its validity. As it did with the more noble (honest) Bereans, who searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were true or not. As Jews, they didn't simply follow the teachings of the religious leaders of Israel, they followed the Word. Thus the believed Christ was indeed the Messiah prophesied in Scripture, and John the Baptist indeed came before Him in the Spirit and power of Elijah. What I can say is the carnal mind that looks at things in worldly, carnal or physical terms of swords, script and purse does not see these things as truth.

So the real question is, do you have ears to hear to receive that Elijah has ALREADY come through John to prepare people for Lord Jesus Christ? Or are you as blind as the Scribes and Pharisees who were looking for the same physical fulfillments?
 
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No, Moses and Elijah as an individual are NOT Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.



Of course... so much for the fact that there are many misguided souls today who still believe Elijah must physically come again before Christ returns to fulfill that prophecy. Why? Because they simply refuse to RECEIVE the truth that Christ spiritualized, what to them, is "so obviously literal."

Jesus refutes you... on TWO counts:

First:

Luke 1:13-17 KJV
[13] But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
[14] And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
[15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
[16] And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
[17] And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John the Baptist DID have the spirit and power of Elijah.

Second:

Matthew 11:12-15 KJV
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[15] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Elijah had already come first fulfilling the prophesy, but they didn't know him and thus did to him whatever they listed (chose). It wasn't that Elijah didn't already come exactly as Malachi prophesied, it was that they simply didn't know it because they were looking for all to be fulfilled physically and it spoke in Spirit and truth. Just as they missed the Messiah Jesus Christ for the same reason, they were busy looking or demand an Earthly or physical kingdom, reign, rule, freedom from the Romans, restoration of the nation of Israel physically, etc., etc. Just like the Dispentastiontists today! But God never intended it to be literally or physically Elijah. Using Scripture to interpret Scripture, we "know" that John the Baptist was the fulfillment. I did not say that, but God:

Luke 1:17
  • "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
John came as a metonymy in the same Spirit and Power of Elijah, not physically as Elijah, but after the model. And that is what the Malachi prophesy always meant no matter what Israel's Old Testament congregation leaders or Dispentastiontists supposed. It doesn't matter that some people don't get it, that's what the prophesy always looked forward to. Christ interpreted the meaning of this to His disciples (Look for yourself in Matthew 17:10-13; Luke 1:17) explaining it as referring to John the Baptist who came in the same "Spirit and Power" that characterized the prophet Elijah. As long as we interpret Scripture by Scripture and not by what "seems" right in our own eyes, or by book-sellers, church traditions or by mimicking ideas of famous theologians, we can not go wrong. Indeed, following your logic, Christ spiritualizes what is so obviously literal. But it's not so, Christ spiritualized what God always intended to be spiritual and not physical/literal, and it is He that sent the Spirit of truth that these things might be made known or revealed to us.

John 14:17
  • "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
Whether one sees these things or not is not in my hands, but in the power of the Spirit of truth that reveals its validity. As it did with the more noble (honest) Bereans, who searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were true or not. As Jews, they didn't simply follow the teachings of the religious leaders of Israel, they followed the Word. Thus the believed Christ was indeed the Messiah prophesied in Scripture, and John the Baptist indeed came before Him in the Spirit and power of Elijah. What I can say is the carnal mind that looks at things in worldly, carnal or physical terms of swords, script and purse does not see these things as truth.

So the real question is, do you have ears to hear to receive that Elijah has ALREADY come through John to prepare people for Lord Jesus Christ? Or are you as blind as the Scribes and Pharisees who were looking for the same physical fulfillments?

I am just curious. What is your view of the Rapture?

In any event, may God bless you.

Side Note:

Please take note that Moses and Elijah literally appeared to Christ and they talked. Also, just because John came in the spirit of Elijah does not mean that this is the case with the appearing of the two witnesses. While it certainly is possible that they may not literally be Moses and Elijah, it just makes the most sense in light of Jesus's encounter with Moses and Elijah. Anyways, if you disagree, then by all means do so. I am not going to argue over it with you, friend.
 
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While it certainly is possible that they may not literally be Moses and Elijah, it just makes the most sense in light of Jesus's encounter with Moses and Elijah.

Moses died and was buried.

Deu 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Deu 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.


Moses and Elijah appeared in a "vision".
Are visions of all things in the Bible a reality?
When Daniel interpreted the dream of the king, was the image of the vision a real statue, or was it just a vision?



.Mat_17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

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I am just curious. What is your view of the Rapture?

Don't distract the subject. My view on the rapture (which is a different subject in itself) has nothing to do with what Scripture said about John the Baptist here.

Please take note that Moses and Elijah literally appeared to Christ and they talked.

So? Do you know exactly WHY Moses and Elijah were with Christ?

Moses and Elijah signify The law and the Prophets, representing the whole Old Covenant Kingdom body before John came to herald or announce the coming of Christ. Selah! Ergo, the law and the prophets were until John, and since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it (Luke 16:16). These two saints represented the Old covenant body.

Luke 9:29-31
  • "And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
  • And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
  • Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."
Moses and Elijah were discussing with Christ about His upcoming work in Jerusalem for a reason for they were a representation of the "law and the prophet" in the old testament tabernacle body. These types are fulfilled in the body of Christ, the New Testament Tabernacle, which is the church!

Matthew 17:4-5
  • "Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
  • While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him!"
For example, there is "ONE" tabernacle of the Church body, and it is Christ. The types are now passed away, and they could have no more prophetic significance after Christ died. We look towards the spiritual, not the earthly or physical. Selah!

Also, just because John came in the spirit of Elijah does not mean that this is the case with the appearing of the two witnesses.

Really? Do you have a verse for your assumption?

While it certainly is possible that they may not literally be Moses and Elijah, it just makes the most sense in light of Jesus's encounter with Moses and Elijah.

An assumption is the mother of all errors. It may seem right in your eyes but lacks Biblical support. We must allow Scripture to interpret Scripture, not assumptions.

Anyways, if you disagre, by all means,l means do so. I am not going to argue over it with you, friend; For there is no need to speak to me as if I was your enemy.

Good, now listen to this, my friend...

These two witnesses of Revelation chapter 11 are not literally Moses and Elijah anymore than John the Baptist was literally Elijah. But "like" John the Baptist, they come in the same Spirit and power of Moses and Elijah. They come in the same Spirit and power of the "Law" and the "Prophets." Because they are endowed with the power of the Spirit of Christ to witness of God's word. Selah? For example:

2nd Kings 2:14-15
  • "And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.
  • And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him."
The Spirit of Elijah unto this power is the Spirit of God. It would behoove men to start listening to God spiritually. Because Like Elisha came in the Spirit of Elijah by coming in the power of the Spirit of God, so John the Baptist did also. In fact, this is plainly illustrated in God's prophecy of John's birth. Consider wisely:

Luke 1:16-17
  • "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
  • And he shall go before him in the Spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
John came before Christ (as prophesied) not physically Elijah, but in the Spirit and Power that Elijah came in. In other words, it wasn't Elijah's power, it was the Spirit of God in him unto his acts. Thus it's not necessary for Elijah to physically come back for us to have a "literal" fulfillment like you hoped for, just that John came in the same Spirit that Elijah had, to do the works of God.

Now, likewise, the two witnesses come in the Spirit and Power of Moses (the law) and Elijah (the prophets) and their works are the works of the Spirit of God. Guess who the Two Witnesses are? We go to Scripture for these things are Spiritually discerned:

Acts 1:8
  • "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be Witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
Revelation 11:3
  • "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
The two witnesses are CHRISTIANS who have received Power (Holy Spirit) to prophesy Gospel to the World are the same witnesses Acts chapter one. This power started at Pentecost and God did pour the same spirit upon people throughout the New Testament period as they expanded His Spiritual kingdom through the Church. Yes, if I am a born-again Christian, I already am filled with same spirit and power of Moses and Elijah which is the Spirit of Christ! Selah!

So we do NOT need to wait for two individual men to fulfill Revelation 11 literally! :)
 
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There are now two witnesses proclaiming the Gospel in the modern city of Jerusalem.

The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 prove that the baby born in Bethlehem is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures.

The time for taking the Gospel to the Jewish people is now.



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And this video was uploaded on Youtube back in June 16, 2015. (Who knows when it was made?)

So we're only above 4 months away from the Abomination of Desolation and the antichrist will be revealed.
 
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And this video was uploaded on Youtube back in June 16, 2015. (Who knows when it was made?)

So we're only above 4 months away from the Abomination of Desolation and the antichrist will be revealed.

From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


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No, Moses and Elijah as an individual are NOT Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.



Of course... so much for the fact that there are many misguided souls today who still believe Elijah must physically come again before Christ returns to fulfill that prophecy. Why? Because they simply refuse to RECEIVE the truth that Christ spiritualized, what to them, is "so obviously literal."

Jesus refutes you... on TWO counts:

First:

Luke 1:13-17 KJV
[13] But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
[14] And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
[15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
[16] And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
[17] And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John the Baptist DID have the spirit and power of Elijah.

Second:

Matthew 11:12-15 KJV
[12] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[15] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Elijah had already come first fulfilling the prophesy, but they didn't know him and thus did to him whatever they listed (chose). It wasn't that Elijah didn't already come exactly as Malachi prophesied, it was that they simply didn't know it because they were looking for all to be fulfilled physically and it spoke in Spirit and truth. Just as they missed the Messiah Jesus Christ for the same reason, they were busy looking or demand an Earthly or physical kingdom, reign, rule, freedom from the Romans, restoration of the nation of Israel physically, etc., etc. Just like the Dispentastiontists today! But God never intended it to be literally or physically Elijah. Using Scripture to interpret Scripture, we "know" that John the Baptist was the fulfillment. I did not say that, but God:

Luke 1:17
  • "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
John came as a metonymy in the same Spirit and Power of Elijah, not physically as Elijah, but after the model. And that is what the Malachi prophesy always meant no matter what Israel's Old Testament congregation leaders or Dispentastiontists supposed. It doesn't matter that some people don't get it, that's what the prophesy always looked forward to. Christ interpreted the meaning of this to His disciples (Look for yourself in Matthew 17:10-13; Luke 1:17) explaining it as referring to John the Baptist who came in the same "Spirit and Power" that characterized the prophet Elijah. As long as we interpret Scripture by Scripture and not by what "seems" right in our own eyes, or by book-sellers, church traditions or by mimicking ideas of famous theologians, we can not go wrong. Indeed, following your logic, Christ spiritualizes what is so obviously literal. But it's not so, Christ spiritualized what God always intended to be spiritual and not physical/literal, and it is He that sent the Spirit of truth that these things might be made known or revealed to us.

John 14:17
  • "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
Whether one sees these things or not is not in my hands, but in the power of the Spirit of truth that reveals its validity. As it did with the more noble (honest) Bereans, who searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were true or not. As Jews, they didn't simply follow the teachings of the religious leaders of Israel, they followed the Word. Thus the believed Christ was indeed the Messiah prophesied in Scripture, and John the Baptist indeed came before Him in the Spirit and power of Elijah. What I can say is the carnal mind that looks at things in worldly, carnal or physical terms of swords, script and purse does not see these things as truth.

So the real question is, do you have ears to hear to receive that Elijah has ALREADY come through John to prepare people for Lord Jesus Christ? Or are you as blind as the Scribes and Pharisees who were looking for the same physical fulfillments?
 
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Don't distract the subject. My view on the rapture (which is a different subject in itself) has nothing to do with what Scripture said about John the Baptist here.



So? Do you know exactly WHY Moses and Elijah were with Christ?

Moses and Elijah signify The law and the Prophets, representing the whole Old Covenant Kingdom body before John came to herald or announce the coming of Christ. Selah! Ergo, the law and the prophets were until John, and since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it (Luke 16:16). These two saints represented the Old covenant body.

Luke 9:29-31
  • "And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
  • And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
  • Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."
Moses and Elijah were discussing with Christ about His upcoming work in Jerusalem for a reason for they were a representation of the "law and the prophet" in the old testament tabernacle body. These types are fulfilled in the body of Christ, the New Testament Tabernacle, which is the church!

Matthew 17:4-5
  • "Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
  • While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him!"
For example, there is "ONE" tabernacle of the Church body, and it is Christ. The types are now passed away, and they could have no more prophetic significance after Christ died. We look towards the spiritual, not the earthly or physical. Selah!



Really? Do you have a verse for your assumption?



An assumption is the mother of all errors. It may seem right in your eyes but lacks Biblical support. We must allow Scripture to interpret Scripture, not assumptions.



Good, now listen to this, my friend...

These two witnesses of Revelation chapter 11 are not literally Moses and Elijah anymore than John the Baptist was literally Elijah. But "like" John the Baptist, they come in the same Spirit and power of Moses and Elijah. They come in the same Spirit and power of the "Law" and the "Prophets." Because they are endowed with the power of the Spirit of Christ to witness of God's word. Selah? For example:

2nd Kings 2:14-15
  • "And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.
  • And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him."
The Spirit of Elijah unto this power is the Spirit of God. It would behoove men to start listening to God spiritually. Because Like Elisha came in the Spirit of Elijah by coming in the power of the Spirit of God, so John the Baptist did also. In fact, this is plainly illustrated in God's prophecy of John's birth. Consider wisely:

Luke 1:16-17
  • "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
  • And he shall go before him in the Spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
John came before Christ (as prophesied) not physically Elijah, but in the Spirit and Power that Elijah came in. In other words, it wasn't Elijah's power, it was the Spirit of God in him unto his acts. Thus it's not necessary for Elijah to physically come back for us to have a "literal" fulfillment like you hoped for, just that John came in the same Spirit that Elijah had, to do the works of God.

Now, likewise, the two witnesses come in the Spirit and Power of Moses (the law) and Elijah (the prophets) and their works are the works of the Spirit of God. Guess who the Two Witnesses are? We go to Scripture for these things are Spiritually discerned:

Acts 1:8
  • "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be Witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
Revelation 11:3
  • "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
The two witnesses are CHRISTIANS who have received Power (Holy Spirit) to prophesy Gospel to the World are the same witnesses Acts chapter one. This power started at Pentecost and God did pour the same spirit upon people throughout the New Testament period as they expanded His Spiritual kingdom through the Church. Yes, if I am a born-again Christian, I already am filled with same spirit and power of Moses and Elijah which is the Spirit of Christ! Selah!

So we do NOT need to wait for two individual men to fulfill Revelation 11 literally! :)

But it is still yet future. You could be wrong. I could be wrong. We will not really know until it happens. How is it going to effect my walk with Christ in obeying His commands and in loving all people if I do not get this one piece of truth 100% right? Yes, knowledge of God's Word is important. We should study to show ourselves approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15), but love is far more important for us to focus on - IMO. I am not saying we should not dig to find out the truth, but to bite and attack each other over minor issues like this is not the Christian way. Now, if it was a salvation issue we were talking about or a moral issue (Whereby people can be led into immorality), that would be different. I can see having a bit more of a zeal or passion. But I just do not get why you are fussing over such a thing (When it really is not all that important). Yes, we should know the truth of this part of Scripture, but how is knowing this truth correctly really going to effect my walk with the Lord and in loving others?

"Love never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." (1 Corinthians 13:8).

Side Note:

Do you believe the two witnesses (Whether they be Moses and Elijah vs. say other believers) will breath literal fire and die and then be risen again? Or is this metaphorical to you?

As for your view of the Pre-Trib Rapture:
I would say that not admitting to a particular truth is never good, my friend.
Why should you be afraid of saying the truth? It makes no sense. At least in my book anyways.
Truth should only arm you with a good defense.

In any event, may God bless you today (even if we disagree).
 
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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


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Hi it is a bit funny that you rest your case that the abomination of desolation is past tense because the Jews understood it to be. This is like having a valuable painting appraised by a con artist and thief as Israel's track record of understanding prophecy is very low as they did not recognize the Messiah or the deity of Jesus. Is Israel the suffering servant of Isaiah 53? the same sources would say so. Perhaps it is the other way around where Antiochus was acting out something that is similar to what was to come and Jesus was saying that what Daniel had seen has not yet occurred. If you look at chapter 12 in Daniel it certainly reads like a later day prophecy to me. If the literalist are right we should see Israel a nation that is going to be divided and the return of the temple sacrifices with the outer court given the the Gentiles. Israel has returned and the whole world is trying to force a two state solution and indeed intend to divide the land. The preparations for the return of the temple and its sacrifices are made. The outer court of the temple has the dome of the rock mosque sitting there. Furthermore a global government needs to rise up and a economic collapse that can bring a denarius for a quart of wheat wage conditions over the whole earth and trigger ethnic wars that kill off 1/4 of the people must be. If the dollar collapses the fiat system of the world is all interconnected and the world could find itself like Venezuela overnight. The migration patterns of the world and the pitting one group against another have created a divide that if resources are scarce and money worthless the horror described in the seal judgments will be world wide.
Did Jesus ride in on a metaphoric foal of a donkey or be betrayed for a symbolic 30 pieces of silver that were thrown to a allegorical potter? The literal sense makes sense and is lined up with the exact players on the stage waiting for the curtain to be raised. It takes a lot of faith to hold to the allegorical view at this point of the game with this evidence in plain view. At any rate I hope that we can disagree on these topics and be united in our dependence and hope in Jesus Christ our God and savior.
 
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But it is still yet future. You could be wrong. I could be wrong. We will not really know until it happens.

How do you know it is still future if you claim that we do not know until it happens. That is absurd. That means you will not accept anything what the Scripture declares that may already be taken place which is why Jesus warned, "if you receive it." Not everyone will accept the truth because many people are in denial that John the Baptist was Elijah that was prophesied to come while insisting that we do not know that until the coming of Prophet Elijah actually happens in the future!

How is it going to effect my walk with Christ in obeying His commands and in loving all people if I do not get this one piece of truth 100% right?

Are you trying to play a card of martyr complex here or something?

Yes, knowledge of God's Word is important.

Only from the Spirit of God as He wills.

We should study to show ourselves approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15), but love is far more important for us to focus on - IMO.

Tell me, why should we study to show ourselves approved unto God? Is it not to search out for truth and yes, Truth hurts. It is supposed to offend people. But you are all about "love" thinking that to avoid hurting their feeling is more important than apage love by telling them the Truth.

I am not saying we should not dig to find out the truth, but to bite and attack each other over minor issues like this is not the Christian way.

So you view as My testimony with Scripture concerning John the Baptist with spirit and power of Elijah considered as "bite and attack?" No, it means that you are offended by the truth. Should I be careful not to offend your feeling with my knowledge? No. I am only a witness and testify to God's Word. It is God who you need to deal with. If you want to refute my testimony, show us the Scripture. Not your sensibilities.

Now, if it was a salvation issue we were talking about or a moral issue (Whereby people can be led into immorality), that would be different.

No, we deal with the truth on all subjects. By the way, do you realize that we are not discussing salvation here?

I can see having a bit more of a zeal or passion. But I just do not get why you are fussing over such a thing (When it really is not all that important).

Seriously?! Whatever God says in the Bible is not important? To know whether John the Baptist is prophet Elijah was to come is not important? It "IS" important because to deny this is why people came up with the false doctrine of Dispentastiontism.

Yes, we should know the truth of this part of Scripture, but how is knowing this truth correctly really going to effect my walk with the Lord and in loving others?

LOL! No, to walk with the Lord is to testify what Scripture says is true, whether its about Salvation, baptism, marriage, and divorce, abortion, homosexualities, or speaking in tongues, etc. Not about being careful not to offend someone's feeling with Truth. You must testify to what the Word of God says and allow the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) decide how it affects the hearers.

"Love never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." (1 Corinthians 13:8).

Do you really understand what the verse is saying?

1st Corinthians 13:8
  • "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away."

1. Prophecies shall [katargeo] fail, or be rendered voided.
2. Tongues shall [pauo] cease.
3. Knowledge shall [katargeo] vanish away, or be rendered voided.

Why? Because (as is written), God says partial knowledge and partial prophecy. That's what shall vanish away [katargeo], or be made idle. "By implication," this is what we won't have anymore. Partial knowledge and partial prophecy. We will have full knowledge and full ability to declare God's Word. The partial will be voided when that which is perfect has come (We'll know even as we are known), but languages shall cease all together.

Note that for tongues (diverse languages) God use a different word [pauo] to separate it from the partial (knowledge and prophecy), and to signify it will cease/stop all together. It is not something we have in part (as knowledge and prophecy). Those Christians who have the gift of different languages can both speak, and often interpret languages perfectly and fully now. It didn't stop when the Bible was completed. This gift is necessary to evangelize the world. But when Christ comes, different languages are no longer necessary because we will be caught up to be with Christ. it will cease. But agape love never fails [ekpipto] or "becomes ineffective" because it is the work of Christ in us.

1st John 4:19
  • "We love him, because he first loved us."
That's the only reason that it will never fail. The Charity, the work of God's 'agapao' love, the generosity of God in us, is why it never fails. While languages, cease and "partial" knowledge and "partial" prophecy disappears. Selah!

Do you believe the two witnesses (Whether they be Moses and Elijah vs. say other believers) will breath literal fire and die and then be risen again? Or is this metaphorical to you?

What do you think? What does God want you to do to find out the Truth? Have you forgotten already that you need to go to Scripture and "study to show ourselves approved unto God" and find out?

Here is an example of how I find out. You asked if Two Witnesses will breath literal fire? I go to Scripture:

Jeremiah 5:14 KJV
[14] Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

Compare Scripture with Scripture, God is saying that Two Witnesses will come with power (Holy Spirit) to testify God's Word as fire upon those who do not want to hear the Truth. This is how the word of God judges them as fire. Symbolically! It is OUR TESTIMONY, as two edged sword that brings salvation and judgment. Selah!

Don't tell me that you also believe some individuals will spew frogs literally out of their mouths in Revelation 16:13, as well?!

Point being, I have a Scripture as a proof of how the fire proceedeth out of Two Witnesses' mouth. But your problem is that you do not have one but instead going after speculations or man's vain imaginations because it sounds more exciting that should belong to Hollywood.

Offended much?
 
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