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Walvoord and Lahaye both admitted in print they have zero scripture to support the any of the tribulation rapture views.
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I'm pretty sure you aren't reading past much. You just don't care to spread truth. You are more interested in fooling people by twisting scripture. Your denial of the rebirth and existence of Israel is something else. Gods people will accept Jesus as the Messiah.........just like it says....in spite of your denial. You spend more time putting words in peoples mouths in an attempt to fool other that there is even a hint of truth in the foolishness of REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
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They wrote a work of fiction, passing it off as truth and doctrine, made lots of money and perpetuate false doctrines, oppose the scripture and God. A bad place to find oneself, dangerous ground when someone begins to teach and it is a lie. I used to believe it too, until I comprehended the scriptures, which comprehension I have is only because of the mercy of God, I was able to escape.
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As of late: I do believe that the second Rapture will more than likely happen Prewrath because believers are not appointed unto wrath.
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The Rapture:
(The 1st Rapture or Translation of the Saints):
Description of the Rapture:
• 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
• 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Clues Concerning the Rapture:
• John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
• Isaiah 26:20 NLT
Go home, my people, and lock your doors! Hide yourselves for a little while until the LORD’s anger has passed.
• Matthew 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
• Hebrews 9:28 ESV
So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Promise of the Rapture:
(A Deliverance of the Wrath to Come):
• 1 Thessalonians 1:10
"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."
• 1 Thessalonians 5:9
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Admonishes about being ready for the Rapture:
(In order to miss out on the Tribulation):
• Luke 21:34-36
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
• Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
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The Lord Gathers His Elect For the Upcoming Battle:
(The Call to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb):
(The 2nd Rapture or Translation of the Saints):
(And The End of the Surviving Tribulation Saint's 1,335 Day of Testing):
• Luke 12:36
And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Daniel 12:12 ISV and Daniel 12:12 NIV
Blessed is the one who perseveres...and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
• Revelation 14:16
And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
• Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
• Mark 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
• Luke 17:34-37
"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
And they answered and said unto him,
"Where, Lord?"
And he said unto them,
"Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
• Matthew 24:28
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
• Revelation 19:17-18 and Revelation 19:14
And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying
"To all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto thesupper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
• Jude 1:14
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
• Isaiah 31:4 NLT
The LORD of Heaven’s Armies will come down
• Isaiah 26:21b NLT
The earth will no longer hide those who have been killed. They will be brought out for all to see.
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The Second Coming of Christ:
(The Lord Appears in the Clouds Coming in Great Power & Glory):
• Revelation 16:15
The Sixth Vial (Part 3)
"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
• Revelation 1:7 NIV
Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.
• Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
• Mark 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
•Luke 17:24
For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
• Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
• Isaiah 26:21a NLT
Look! The LORD is coming from heaven to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
• Psalm 96:13 NKJV
For He is coming, for He is coming to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness
• Matthew 24:30b
And they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn
• Revelation 19:11-13 and Revelation 19:15-16
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
• 1 Timothy 6:14 NLT and 1 Timothy 6:15 NKJV
Our Lord Jesus Christ comes again...
He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
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Although, I do believe that there is a slight possible chance that the 2nd Rapture could happen in the second half of the Tribulation (close to Christ’s return). More people could repent during this time. Plus, there is a population problem involving the saints at the midpoint of the Tribulation. Most saints would have been martyred by the Antichrist at the breaking of the 4th seal. This possibly doesn’t allow sufficient enough time for more believers to be around to even be Raptured.
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What you believe then is Christ returns three times. Instead of just a second coming, there is a third or even 4 comings..
About God's wrath, that is correct, believers do not experience the wrath of God, but they do experience the wrath of the beast's evil world system.
God did not appoint us to wrath but to obtain salvation, but this does not exclude all wrath from other sources!
Revelation 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
The Woman Persecuted
13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus [c]Christ.
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In the passage you quoted to me, it says that the devil went to war with the rest of her offspring. This is talking about believers. The word "rest" or "remnant" is talking about how there are a remaining group of believers that exist from a previous group. Where did this previous group go to? To meet the Lord in the air and forever be with Him (no doubt in Heaven). For we see the 24 elders up in Heaven mentioned in Revelation 5. The 24 elders got to Heaven by the Rapture and not by death. For the dead in Christ shall rise first and be caught up in the air to meet the Lord and so shall they forever be with the Lord.
Also, when we talk about Christ's 2nd coming: This is in reference to His touching His feet down up on the Earth. The Lord coming to meet His followers in the air does not count as a physical coming to the Earth. They are a partial coming to take up His bride. Jesus does not actually land on the Earth when the Rapture happens. Even in the breaking of the 6th seal, the Lamb is revealed from Heaven. Again, this is not a full head on coming (like at the 2nd coming), but merely an appearance of the Lord from high above in the sky. Again, this would not be qualified as a coming to the Earth. The Lord needs to land on the Earth in order to make that happen.
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It is quite ironic that those who shout "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY" are those whose form of Dual Covenant Theology replaces the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.
You have replaced the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.
You have replaced the "son", who is the "heir" to the land in Matthew chapter 21, with those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone".
So who is really teaching "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY"?
If you think a person can reject God's Son and still be in God's favor, you must have cut 1 John 2:22-23 out of your Bible.
How many modern churches have invited Christ rejecting Orthodox Jews to speak from their pulpits?
Those churches are yoking themselves with unbelievers.
The Two Peoples of God doctrine is one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church.
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Steven Straub used to believe the same thing you are now promoting.
He gave it up when he could not get it to match up with his Bible.
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I have told you countless times that you are not being truthful about your dual covenant claim. There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved. End of story. Why would you knowingly misrepresent the truth?
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I have read your posts.
None of the scriptures you present say that God will take His people to heaven.
I reject the 'rapture to heaven' theory for that reason and also for the prophesies that do tell us what God has planned for His people in the end times.
You don't like it because instead of strumming harps, we will all have to face trials and hardship; even unto death for some. This will reflect badly for you when you stand before Jesus in Judgement.
Revelation 13:9-10 is a clear statement that we must endure in out faith until the end. Obviously those who have been deceived by false teaching, do not have ears to hear!
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Do you deny there is a tribulation before Christ returns? If you don't deny that, that means you yourself are either, pre, mid, or post, in regards to when you conclude 1 Thessalonians 4:17 takes place. How can you not be? It doesn't matter what you take or what anyone takes 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to be referring to, this event has to either precede the tribulation, happen during it, or happen after it. There's no logical way around that unless one flat out denies that there is a tribulation. Even if someone concludes the tribulation occurred in the first century, that still logically makes that person post trib then.
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If you claim that God made a separate covenant with the Jewish people, which was not fulfilled at Calvary, then you are by definition promoting some type of "Dual Covenant" Theology.
How am I misrepresenting your viewpoint?
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Where have I said God made a separate covenant with the Jewish people. I never said that.........and you know it. You personally would not be saved by this covenant until you accept Jesus as the Messiah, the son of God, whose blood covers the sin of those who believe. It is the same covenant that the Jewish people have. They just haven't accepted Jesus as their Messiah. There will come a time that many of the twelve tribes will accept Jesus as their savior. It will start with the 144000 first fruits. That will occur after the fullness Gentiles comes in,.....pretribulation rapture. (Please don't waste your time posting the times of the Gentiles scriptures that you use to twist scripture and attempt to fool the babes) How can you do these things knowingly....do you not fear Him who sees all? Do you know who you are? Are you good with twisting the truth? That doesn't bother you? You should check your clothes. I already have.
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The gathering of all the faithful people who are alive and remain, will happen after the Great Tribulation. [post]
My contention is just that it isn't to heaven, but for them to be where Jesus is; in Jerusalem.
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What is a bread crumb or clue that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is true? Well, when we want to verify a truth within God's Word, we know that the Bible testifies of itself by the fact that it repeats the same message or idea over and over thru out the whole of Scripture.
So one came make the parallel that...
1. The Church is sent out to spread the Gospel (Revelation 1)
2. Some in the Church are warned of His Return & Judgment (Revelation 2-3)
3. Rapture of Faithful Church (Revelation 4)
4. Judgment of Daniel's 70th Week Begins that will bring the End (Revelation 6)
In fact, the same parallel can be made with Noah and the Flood, too.
For there were 3 groups of people facing the Judgment of the Flood:
1. Those that perished in the Global Flood.
2. Those that were preserved thru the time of the Global Flood.
3. Those that were removed prior to the Global Flood.
For Enoch was translated before the Flood, right?
And Noah and his family went thru the Judgment of the Flood but were protected by God, right? Sort of like the 144,000 Jewish Christians who will be protected or sealed by God thru the tribulation.
So a Pre-Trib Rapture proves to be Biblical and true not only in straight forward teaching but by paralleling the beginning and ending stories within the Bible, too.
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