If I told you that Jesus taught me how to open the Seven Seals, would you ask me to tell you?

Steven Heiss said:

Apocalypse Now....

An apocalypse (Ancient Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apokálypsis, from ἀπό and καλύπτω meaning "uncovering"), translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation. In religious contexts it is usually a disclosure of something hidden, “a vision of heavenly secrets that can make sense of earthly realities".
Bart D. Ehrman, "How Jesus Became God", pg. 59, ISBN 978-0-06-177818-6

This is it, folks. The real deal. Pray and ask the Holy Spririt if this is so.

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And while you are at it, do you have a date for the end? Everybody who has this all figured out provides a date.

nvm

Steven Heiss said:

One would think so, but people still missed it. History calls what is behind the fourth seal the Holocaust. The third was the Great Depression, etc.

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Interesting. And then the 5th is a period of waiting....

Which seems to fit with where we have been and where we are. Communist persecution and suppression of the Russian Orthodox Church would also fit in during this period (and other suppressions I suppose, but it would have been a big one through the USSR times, tons of martyrs. I remember reading some of the history of that and thinking 'this church has suffered trauma')

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

So we are waiting. And when the wait is over, then the 6th.

OK, I can see that. I didn't get the memo because I hadn't been born yet, and we are in the waiting Seal.

Steven Heiss said:

Or would you think I was crazy?

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I would call you the false prophet , first of all no man was worthy to open the Scroll so you would need to be Christ yourself .

Petros2015 said:

Hmm? Did the Apocalypse start and I didn't get the memo? The 4th seal is

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

I feel like that would be pretty hard to miss if it was open.

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Your history knowledge is sadly lacking. Just google 'famines in the world' and see how multi millions have died of famine over the centuries and are still dying in many places of the world.
But the proof of the first five Seals being open is the Fifth Seal, where the souls of all the martyrs since Stephen, killed for their faith are kept under the heavenly Altar.

Are we talking Rev 5? "But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it."... I leave you in peace ..

I'd say you were in a false vision.

When Jesus told the apostles he would leave He also told them He would send them a comforter (the Holy Spirit), who would lead them to all truth.

It is the Holy Spirit who draws us to God and teaches us *if* we listen...all we need do is pray. Revelation 1:3 says this:
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Are you listening? ALL believers have that promise!!!

Steve Petersen said:

Bruce.

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I knew it! Never did like that guy.

Lots of modern day prophets about. Each believing they have the truth. If in doubt, stick to the only truth. That is, Jesus.

Steven Heiss said:

Then you reject the premise that Jesus can teach people through the promptings of the Holy Spirit?

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No , but he can't teach you how to open Scrolls , HS will never teach you anything which would contradict alredy given Scriptures .

Steven Heiss said:

There is no tribe of Joseph. That tribe was headed by Ephraim.
Read the blessings in chapter 48 again.

Dan does not receive an inheritance, because he refused to claim his allotment. There are no saints from the tribe of the anti-Christ.

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Genesis 49 is the 12 sons that were blessed by Jaceob.

Genesis 48 is different. It is about the blessings Jacob made on Ephraim and Manasseh.

My list is right as far as the 12 tribes of Israel listed in Genesis 49, KJV. Joseph was one the tribes, which after Jacob blessed Benjamin, the blessings concluded with...

28 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.

Then Jacob passed away.
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As far as the way the land of Israel was divided up among the tribes - from the maps I have seen, it is not Joseph, but Ephraim and Manasseh representing what would be the tribe of Joseph, as two regions. The reason that it didn't make 13 regions is, as I understand it, the Levites, the priest tribe settled among all the other tribes' regions.

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Dan does not receive an inheritance, because he refused to claim his allotment. There are no saints from the tribe of the anti-Christ.

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Well, I have heard that said, but there is not proof of it that I know of. For the person to become the Antichrist - which is by being anointed the King of Israel, as the son of David messiah - he would have to be from the tribe of Judah.

Isaiah 14, it appears that the Antichrist person will be a descendant of David or Jesse . The person is likened to an abominable branch - which Christ was the righteous branch.

Isaiah 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

keras said:

But the proof of the first five Seals being open is the Fifth Seal

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I would say that the biggest proof of the fifth seal being open is a lot of people going 'how long? how long?' for a very long time. But since that's where I'm at, I'll take it.

And that pretty much means that 6 can open at any time. 6 sounds like a pretty good description of an asteroid strike to me, which could literally happen anytime with some warning or without and be a complete game changer on a global scale.

Petros2015 said:

I would say that the biggest proof of the fifth seal being open is a lot of people going 'how long? how long?' for a very long time. But since that's where I'm at, I'll take it.

And that pretty much means that 6 can open at any time. 6 sounds like a pretty good description of an asteroid strike to me, which could literally happen anytime with some warning or without and be a complete game changer on a global scale.

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Christ opened the 6th seal during the first century and let John see future events.

We have the sun darkening, and the moon changing its brightness, and the stars falling from heaven to the earth, and those in fear of the Lamb, which we also find in the Olivet Discourse at the Second Coming of Christ.

The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

In Revelation 6 we also find "mighty men", "captains", "bond", and "free" which are also found in Revelation 19, at the Second Coming.

The events revealed by the opening of the 6th seal are a description of the Second Coming of Christ.

Why would they be hiding from the wrath of the Lamb, if the Lamb is not present at that point in time?

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Steven Heiss said:

How does Jesus teaching his disciples the way to unseal the Word of God contradict scripture?

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He is not unsealing Word of God but unsealing plagues and famine on earth with such scroll if you still didn't get this part .