How Many Non-Catholics Understand what goes on in the Confessional?

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Yes, for Christians alike, those are the two greatest... But some people fall from grace, even spending years outside the faith. When they return, they may find they've done some horrible things while they were lost.

What if person dies while driving to church to confess sins in car accident . Where will that person go ?
 
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What if person dies while driving to church to confess sins in car accident . Where will that person go ?

Heaven.

Same for someone about to be baptized, but dies before the baptism takes place -it's called "baptism of fire" or 'baptism of desire".
 
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Why do you go for forgivness of your sins to confession if they were paid for on cross ?

Because, one has to show FRUITS of repentance. By humbling yourself, and standing (or sitting) before the priest, asking for God to forgive you, and allowing the priest to pray for you, is a showing one of the Fruits of repentance. By following the counseling of the priest, you are saying that you trust God more than yourself.
 
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Because, one has to show FRUITS of repentance. By humbling yourself, and standing (or sitting) before the priest, asking for God to forgive you

Which fruits of repentance did God have to show to priest in these verses and to who did he humble himself ?

Exodus 32:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.


Jonah 3:10
“And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”
 
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14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

“And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”

The Lord God does not NEED to repent. He is Good and Love, and He does NOT sin. The "repentance" is a way of saying He changed His mind, and decided--because the Jews and Ninevites had already repented, and shown their fruits of repentance.
 
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The Lord God does not NEED to repent. He is Good and Love, and He does NOT sin. The "repentance" is a way of saying He changed His mind, and decided--because the Jews and Ninevites had already repented, and shown their fruits of repentance.

Did they really ? I thought that nobody can pay a ransom to God

Psalms 49:7
 
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Did they really ? I thought that nobody can pay a ransom to God

Okay, let's take a deep breath and think about this.

God's gift of grace IS free. However, you must be willing to cooperate with Him. This is not done by reciting a sinner's prayer, and going to church. It is done by following the rules that
God has set, not necessarily in the Bible, but what He has written in our hearts. If we truly Love God and love our neighbor, then it stands to reason that every time we fall short of that (I know I do), then we have sinned, and know that we must confess, and bear fruit of repentance. (James 5:16--“Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”)

Note that James does not say "stand out in the middle of a field (or go into your prayer closet) and confess your sins." It says, “Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.”

Why go to a priest? First, he has been given the authority to listen to your sins and convey God's grace to you.
Second, a priest is usually trained in counseling.
Third, a priest is the only one you can go to to confess something (put your favorite worst sin here) and you will KNOW that nobody can force that priest to tell them what you have confessed.

For more on this topic, go to EWTN or some other Catholic website and look up the reasons there.
 
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Okay, let's take a deep breath and think about this.

God's gift of grace IS free. However, you must be willing to cooperate with Him. This is not done by reciting a sinner's prayer, and going to church. It is done by following the rules that
God has set, not necessarily in the Bible, but what He has written in our hearts. If we truly Love God and love our neighbor, then it stands to reason that every time we fall short of that (I know I do), then we have sinned, and know that we must confess, and bear fruit of repentance. (James 5:16--“Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”)

Note that James does not say "stand out in the middle of a field (or go into your prayer closet) and confess your sins." It says, “Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.”

Why go to a priest? First, he has been given the authority to listen to your sins and convey God's grace to you.
Second, a priest is usually trained in counseling.
Third, a priest is the only one you can go to to confess something (put your favorite worst sin here) and you will KNOW that nobody can force that priest to tell them what you have confessed.

For more on this topic, go to EWTN or some other Catholic website and look up the reasons there.

Gift means free of charge you don't have to do anything other than receive a gift to obtain it or else it can't be gift .
Psalm 40:6 (LXX)
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not; but a body hast thou prepared me: whole-burnt-offering and sacrifice for sin thou didst not require.

Hebrews 10
5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.


Do you really think that you can impress Yah which spoke this world into existence by doing something ?
 
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Gift means free of charge you don't have to do anything other than receive a gift to obtain it or else it can't be gift.
Well, you have to do something to receive the gift, do you not? Such as put your trust in our Lord Jesus as savior? Just because you do something necessary in order to receive the gift, does not mean that you have earned the gift, or that you deserve the gift in the manner that a worker deserves his wages. This is where you err.

Do you really think that you can impress Yah which spoke this world into existence by doing something ?
Yes, this is EXACTLY how Catholics think. On our judgment day we will say to God, "God, as you know, on August 1, 2018, I gave two dollars to a homeless person, therefore I have earned my way into heaven. You have to let me in. Grace and mercy has absolutely nothing to do with it." This is clearly stated on page 37 of the most recent Catechism.
 
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Well, you have to do something to receive the gift, do you not?
No you don't that's why it's called Gift and that's why it's called grace because it's underserved .
If you do work you get wages for your work not gifts .

Read Galatians 2:16


gift
ɡɪft/
noun
noun: gift; plural noun: gifts
1.
a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.


If you think you do good deeds to go to heaven you boast about it and about your works stealing glory from God . Read Ephesians 2:8-9 it's said to not boast about it and it being free .
 
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Do you really think that you can impress Yah which spoke this world into existence by doing something ?

First, I am not trying to impress God by works. I committed to Him a long time ago that I would cooperate fully in His plan for my life, and I try to live that commitment in all that I do.

What I have been trying to impress on you is that you can't just say a sinner's prayer and then live like you have been living before you said that prayer. One has to live in line with the Bible, and with God's laws that are written on his/her heart.
 
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First, I am not trying to impress God by works. I committed to Him a long time ago that I would cooperate fully in His plan for my life, and I try to live that commitment in all that I do.

What I have been trying to impress on you is that you can't just say a sinner's prayer and then live like you have been living before you said that prayer. One has to live in line with the Bible, and with God's laws that are written on his/her heart.

Yea sinner's prayer is not in Bible I have no idea who invented such thing .
No you don't have to live in line with Bible to be saved , people didn't even have Bible untill it was written nor could most of them write or read .

If somebody has not put thier trust in Christ but put thier trust in thier good works then one has not proper gospel .

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Present tense
If you believe you have everlasting life , not two week vacations in heaven but forever , nor can you lose it if it's everlasting .


If you think that people are saved by works you need to explain why people who prophecy , were casting out demons and did many miracles were still condemned and Christ never knew them to begin with .

Matthew 7:21-23
 
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No you don't have to live in line with Bible to be saved , people didn't even have Bible untill it was written nor could most of them write or read .

You say that, but then you quote the Bible. Which am I supposed to believe?

I personally trust the Bible, and the One that inspired it.
 
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No you don't that's why it's called Gift and that's why it's called grace because it's underserved .
If you do work you get wages for your work not gifts .

Read Galatians 2:16


gift
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noun: gift; plural noun: gifts
1.
a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.


If you think you do good deeds to go to heaven you boast about it and about your works stealing glory from God . Read Ephesians 2:8-9 it's said to not boast about it and it being free .
Your error is that you equate all actions with "payment". If my mother gives me a watch for Christmas as a gift, obviously I have to pick up the box from under the tree. I have to unwrap the box, I have to put the watch on my wrist. These are things that I have to do to receive the gift, but they are not payment.

Just because you have to do something (such as putting your trust in Jesus as Lord, for example) does not mean that you deserve to be saved.
 
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Your error is that you equate all actions with "payment". If my mother gives me a watch for Christmas as a gift, obviously I have to pick up the box from under the tree. I have to unwrap the box, I have to put the watch on my wrist. These are things that I have to do to receive the gift, but they are not payment.

Just because you have to do something (such as putting your trust in Jesus as Lord, for example) does not mean that you deserve to be saved.

No you don't have to unwrap anything .
You have to be born again . You didn't give a birth to yourself first time actually you did nothing to make it happen , likewise when God gives you new birth you do nothing aswell is all him .
 
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No you don't have to unwrap anything .
You have to be born again . You didn't give a birth to yourself first time actually you did nothing to make it happen , likewise when God gives you new birth you do nothing aswell is all him .
Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6

Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
 
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Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6

Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

You get born of water when your mom's water break that's what Jesus mean , then you need to be born of Spirit .

Matthew 3:11-17 King James Version (KJV)
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

This is different baptism .
 
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