THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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The sabbath was from God to the Jews. Gentiles were never involved in it.
Moses wasn't a Jew, neither his wife, neither Aaron and so on. The stranger is directly mentioned in Exodus 20:8-11.

Also the peoples Israel, were to take these things to the nations around them that still were under probation; Deuteronomy 4. Even the queen of Sheba came to hear later on.
 
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But if they are claiming that Christ is the bible (written word) and they are getting all of their ideas of salvation from the laws in the bible and taking chosen verses extremely literally while ignoring any possible deeper meanings, then salvation by works of law would be the same to them as salvation found in Christ. It's pretty convoluted.

No one is claiming what you are saying in this post whatsoever and this has already been discussed with you in posts # 108; post # 110; post # 112 and post # 191.

Your only stating things that have never been said or are untrue even after you have been corrected previously as evidenced in the linked posts above where you have been posted the opposite to what you are saying above.

Not to mention your statement regarding works when this was posted to you earlier in post # 192 stating the very opposite of what your proclaiming here.

I will leave this between you and God and for others to make up their own mind as to what is being said here which is not what your saying.
 
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Loren T. said:
Apparently, they're making some distinction between the Mosaic law and the Ten Commandments. What I don't understand
Is where that distinction is made in scripture. The other thing I don't understand is how they can claim the law they do keep affects thier salvation, when it is so clear that salvation is only found it in Christ.

Hi Loren,

Besides the scriptures linking the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE LINKED CLICK ME)

Happy to share the other scriptures in relation the GOD'S LAW and the MOSSAIC Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT. Let's look at the scriptures. Many people do not bother to study the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures and think that the OLD COVENANT is simplet the 10 Commandments. If you study God's WORD you will see that the OLD COVENANT consisted of two sets of laws.

These included;

1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW
(10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone. (Exodus 20:1-17; 32:16; 32:28) God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it (Deuteronomy 4:1-2). God commanded Moses to keep the Tables of Stone separated from the Mosaic book of the law and both were to be housed in the ARK of the Covenant (Deuteronomy 10:5; Deuteronomy 31:24-26).

That is why God's LAW is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments and not the 613. (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4)

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2. The MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT FOR REMISSION OF SIN spoken and written by MOSES to God's people in the BOOK of the COVENANT (Deuteronomy31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Colossians 2:14-17; Deuteronomy 29:21). This is were the other 603 laws were held many of which were SHADOWS pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and fulfilled in Christ.

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THE SHADOW LAWS OF THE MOSAIC BOOK WAS PART OF THE OLD COVEANANT

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of laws which included 1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

Both these sets of LAWS had very different PURPOSES under the OLD Covenant.

1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) where to provide a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. This is the same purpose under the NEW COVENANT (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the BOOK OF THE COVENANT of laws and ORDINANCES which included the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws were laws for the REMISSION or FORGIVENESS of sin which included the Leviticial PRIESTHOOD and ORDINACES for sin offerings for the SNACTUARY SERVICE. PRIESTHOOD, SACRIFICAL SIN OFFERINGS for FORGIVENESS OF SIN.

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GODS ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).
God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).
It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matthew 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Romans 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14Romans 7:22). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Galatians 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law (Romans 3:31), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4) through love (Romans 13:10).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

God's LAW
was written and made by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and nothing was to be added to it. (God's LAW; Exodus 32:16; 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4; Exodus 20; Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Galatians 3:24; Deuteronomy 5:22; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 10:4 Ecclesiastse 3:14; Exodus 25:16; Deuteronomy 10:5)

It is called God's LAW or the 10 Commandment, because he was the one alone who made it and commanded Moses to keep in separated from the book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Nehemiah 10:29; Deuteronomy 10:4-5; Deuteronomy 31:25-26; Deuteronomy 4:13; Exodus 34:28)

God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it and it was to be separated from the Mosaic book of the law. That is why it is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments (not the 613).

The Mosaic law was made and written and spoken by Moses as directed by God in the book of the covenant.
(Mosaic Book of the law; Deuteronomy31:9; Exodus 24:3-4; Deuteronomy 31:24-27; Colossians 2:14-17).

God not only commanded Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the Mosaic book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Deuteronomy 10:5; 31:25-26 nothing was to be added to it (Deuteronomy 4:1-2; Deuteronomy 5:22)

God makes a distinction between the 10 Commandments and the book of the law of Moses….

2 Kings 21
8,
Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.

Together God's ETERNAL LAW and the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT made up the OLD COVENANT (Torah). Both sets of laws had a different purpose under the OLD COVENANT. God's LAW to point out sin and rightouesness (KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL) and the Mosaic Shadow laws for remission of sin which were the remedy for when sin was committed (forgiveness from God; sin offereings, the levitical priesthood) that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps and may God bless you as you seek him through his Word and prayer.
 
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When people spend lots of time providing you with detailed scriptural proof, you accept none of it and then repost this same list of out-of-context scripture references with the same insistence that you are right and they are wrong, but perhaps if you open yourself in prayer to the Holy Spirit and ask him to guide your understanding, you may come to truly understand the free gift of grace that Jesus has given you if only you were willing to accept it.

Really? Let's talk about this what detailed scripture proof do you claim has been provided please post it or provide a link and let's discuss it?

Please also show what has been posted that you say is out of context and please prove that what has been posted to you is out of context with scripture.

Your post as no basis in fact or truth neither can you prove anything you have posted. If you believe this is not true please answer the questions above and post scripture proof. (scripture only please)

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. So far you have posted no scripture but to simply say you reject the scriptures posted.
 
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The reality of Sabbath is Christ, not a particular day of the week. Sabbath was just a shadow.

Colossians 2:17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

You are mixing up the Shadow laws of the Mosaic Book of the Covenant with God's ETERNAL law which is forever and give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and are the very standard of the OLD AND NEW COVENANT and the judgment to come.

Col2 is talking about the ceremonial annual Sabbath in ORDINACES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that were connected to the Jewish Annual festivals that could fall on ANY DAY OF THE WEEK not the 10 commandments or God's 4th Commandment.

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Hope this helps...
 
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Greetings friend. My point is your not understanding that we are under the purpose of the law not the letter of the law.

Thanks for your thoughts BNR32FAN, and your post. Although this is not true. God's WORD is ouur guide and the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments) as posted many time throughout this Forum and this thread is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7 James 2:11; 1 John 3:4). The purpose of this KNOWLEDGE is to lead us to Christ that we might be justified (forgiven) through faith (Galatains 3:24). So the first claim you have made above is not true.

This is what Paul is addressing in Romans 14. Actually he is addressing the persecution of some who still hold onto the letter of the law and his point is that if someone wants to keep the law that is fine but they shouldn’t condemn others who do feel the need to keep the letter of the law to honor God and to love one another.

Ok please provide scripture for everything you have claimed in Romans 14. There is not a single scripture in ROMANS 14 that is discussing God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH or giving permission for anyone to break it.

The chapter is discussing food and fasting connected to HOLY DAYS and days men esteem above others in relation to food and fasting and judging others. The chapter does not even mention God's 4th Commandment or does it say that God's Sabbath has been ABOLISHED and we are now free to worship God on any day of the week. Posted a little on this earlier in post # 195 linked. There is not a single scripture referring to Gods' 4th Commandment Sabbath and it is never mentioned in the whole chapter. So your second claim above is not true.

Another great example is Colossians 2:6-16. Another question I keep asking is God gave many other commandments that, to my knowledge, SDA do not keep. God commanded that everyone must write a Torah scroll. He also commanded that the Passover sacrifice must be observed forever. These are just a few examples of commandments directly from God not laws written by man and yet they are not kept by SDA. So why not?

Good questions. You are mixing up the Shadow laws of the Mosaic Book of the Covenant with God's ETERNAL law which is forever and give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken and RIGHTEOUSNESS if obeyed. God's LAW (10 Commandments) are ETERNAL and are the very standard of the OLD AND NEW COVENANT and the judgment to come. While the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC COVENANT for remission of sin were temporary pointing to Jesus as our true sacrifice for sin and our great high Priest ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary outlining God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Col2 is talking about the ceremonial annual Sabbath in ORDINACES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that were connected to the Jewish Annual festivals that could fall on ANY DAY OF THE WEEK not the 10 commandments or God's 4th Commandment.

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So your third claim above has no truth in it and detailed scripture has been provided for all of your claims. If you disagree please say why and provide scripture alone for your proof. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

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Maybe you can answer these questions (from Scripture alone) and show us where is says in God's WORD that...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts. Ok bye for now :wave:
 
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You need to add to God's word that which it doesn't say to suit your disobedience to God's clear and explicit commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). You imagined, not exegeted.

The message in the passage is clear as day to anyone willing to comprehend it. No need to resort to imaginings. Nice try.
 
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I have entered Gods rest.
Transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:1-17; Romans 7:7) is not 'rest', it is still in your own works, and worse, self-deceived, because you have your own law apart from God's law.

God has blessed me with much needed peace and joy.
There is a time which comes when the Holy Ghost is blasphemed and conscience is no longer aroused. It is seared. It is a dead kind of peace.

I am content and my heart is happy.
So are many in their sins, but it is temporary.

Praise the Lord.
I do not know 'your' 'lord'. Neither do I follow that 'voice' of your 'lord'.

The "LORD" I know, and whose voice I follow, is the Lord of the Sabbath, the seventh day, the Creator and Redeemer who rested the 7th day in both.
 
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The message in the passage is clear as day to anyone willing to comprehend it.
It sure is. Compare it to 1 Corinthians 8-10. days of eating/not eating. The pharisees constantly argued about which day was better to eat/not eat on.

No need to resort to imaginings.
I agree, but you did. You had to add words which do not exist in the text to suit your disobedience to repent.

Nice try.
If you do not repent of this sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Exodus 20:8-11), here is the reward of those who taught to transgress God's law in spite of the grace bestowed through Christ Jesus:

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.​

A most solemn judgment.
 
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Im using the same scriptures you are, i just interpret them differently.
That's the problem. 'You' are interpreting. Let God interpret:

Do not interpretations belong to God? - Genesis 40:8​

Then there will be no 'private' ('you') interpreting - 2 Peter 1:20
 
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so i am following the Hebrews 4 exhortation.
Where is Paul quoting from in Hebrews 4:4?

Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
 
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That's the problem. 'You' are interpreting. Let God interpret:

Do not interpretations belong to God? - Genesis 40:8​

Then there will be no 'private' ('you') interpreting - 2 Peter 1:20
Colossians 2:17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
 
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Where is Paul quoting from in Hebrews 4:4?

Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
The reality is Christ, right?

Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
 
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It sure is. Compare it to 1 Corinthians 8-10. days of eating/not eating. The pharisees constatly argued about which day was better to eat/not eat on.

I agree, but you did. You had to add words which do not exist in the text to suit your disobedience to repent.

If you do not repent of this sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Exodus 20:8-11), here is the reward of those who taught to transgress God's law in spite of the grace bestowed through Christ Jesus:

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.​

A most solemn judgment.

In spite of the grace bestowed through Jesus Christ? You really don't understand his grace, do you? It is a gift and there is nothing whatsoever you can do to earn it. Even if you followed hundreds upon hundreds upon thousands of laws, it would never be enough. You *cannot* earn salvation through following law. That was the message to us from the old covenant and why we *need* to decide to accept what Jesus did for us on the cross. Replacing his gift with lawkeeping is not the way, truth, or the life.
 
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You are mixing up the Shadow laws of the Mosaic Book of the Covenant with God's ETERNAL law which is forever and give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and are the very standard of the OLD AND NEW COVENANT and the judgment to come.

Col2 is talking about the ceremonial annual Sabbath in ORDINACES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that were connected to the Jewish Annual festivals that could fall on ANY DAY OF THE WEEK not the 10 commandments or God's 4th Commandment.

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Hope this helps...
I dont believe so. I believe that what you call eternal is only the shadow.
 
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Colossians 2:17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

They don't seem to understand Christ or know the transforming power and joy of the Holy Spirit in their lives. All they seem to know is law and judgment and threats of condemnation. It seems to be a joyless existence full of fear and with no real assurance of salvation. It's not how Christ intends us to live in his kingdom and is not what he taught.
 
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Transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:1-17; Romans 7:7) is not 'rest', it is still in your own works, and worse, self-deceived, because you have your own law apart from God's law.

There is a time which comes when the Holy Ghost is blasphemed and conscience is no longer aroused. It is seared. It is a dead kind of peace.

So are many in their sins, but it is temporary.

I do not know 'your' 'lord'. Neither do I follow that 'voice' of your 'lord'.

The "LORD" I know, and whose voice I follow, is the Lord of the Sabbath, the seventh day, the Creator and Redeemer who rested the 7th day in both.
Sad that you would say such things about me. I would never say them about you.
 
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They don't seem to understand Christ or know the transforming power and joy of the Holy Spirit in their lives. All they seem to know is law and judgment and threats of condemnation. It seems to be a joyless existence full of fear and with no real assurance of salvation. It's not how Christ intends us to live in his kingdom and is not what he taught.
I guess not.
 
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