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THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!
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I might be missing something...I haven't read all your posts, but how do you know which laws are ceremonial, and which are moral laws?
and doesn't this make it pretty clear that the Sabbath is no longer necessary?:
…15And having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.…
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Perhaps he cannot comprehend because his heart is hardened in the way that he has accused everyone else.
Well I am glad that God is my judge and not you
. God's WORD will be our judge come judgment day *John 12:47-48.
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When people spend lots of time providing you with detailed scriptural proof, you accept none of it and then repost this same list of out-of-context scripture references with the same insistence that you are right and they are wrong, but perhaps if you open yourself in prayer to the Holy Spirit and ask him to guide your understanding, you may come to truly understand the free gift of grace that Jesus has given you if only you were willing to accept it.
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Hi Loren nice to meet you again. Good question. The Shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. These included all the ceremonial, levitical, ecclesiatical and civil laws, most of which pointed to Jesus as our true sacrifice and God's plan of salvation and the NEW COVENANT promise of a new heart to LOVE and Follow Jesus. COL 2 is discussing these MOSAIC shadow laws. Not the 10 commandments and God's 4th Commandment.
DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE CLICK ME (6x part OP)
There scriptures linked above show many of the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT scritpures for these shadow laws..
Hope this helps and thanks for the question. I will be back latter please feel free to leave a post and I will try to get to it when I can.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
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The reality of Sabbath is Christ, not a particular day of the week. Sabbath was just a shadow.Hi Loren nice to meet you again. Good question. The Shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. These included all the ceremonial, levitical, ecclesiatical and civil laws, most of which pointed to Jesus as our true sacrifice and God's plan of salvation and the NEW COVENANT promise of a new heart to LOVE and Follow Jesus. COL 2 is discussing these MOSAIC shadow laws. Not the 10 commandments and God's 4th Commandment.
DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE CLICK ME (6x part OP)
There scriptures linked above show many of the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT scritpures for these shadow laws..
Hope this helps and thanks for the question. I will be back latter please feel free to leave a post and I will try to get to it when I can.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
Colossians 2:17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
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Greetings friend. My point is your not understanding that we are under the purpose of the law not the letter of the law. This is what Paul is addressing in Romans 14. Actually he is addressing the persecution of some who still hold onto the letter of the law and his point is that if someone wants to keep the law that is fine but they shouldn’t condemn others who do feel the need to keep the letter of the law to honor God and to love one another. Another great example is Colossians 2:6-16. Another question I keep asking is God gave many other commandments that, to my knowledge, SDA do not keep. God commanded that everyone must write a Torah scroll. He also commanded that the Passover sacrifice must be observed forever. These are just a few examples of commandments directly from God not laws written by man and yet they are not kept by SDA. So why not?
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Apparently, they're making some distinction between the Mosaic law and the Ten Commandments. What I don't understand
Is where that distinction is made in scripture. The other thing I don't understand is how they can claim the law they do keep affects thier salvation, when it is so clear that salvation is only found it in Christ.
Is where that distinction is made in scripture. The other thing I don't understand is how they can claim the law they do keep affects thier salvation, when it is so clear that salvation is only found it in Christ.
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But if they are claiming that Christ is the bible (written word) and they are getting all of their ideas of salvation from the laws in the bible and taking chosen verses extremely literally while ignoring any possible deeper meanings, then salvation by works of law would be the same to them as salvation found in Christ. It's pretty convoluted.
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God's Ten Commandments are light (Proverbs 6:23; Isaiah 8:20), including the central commandment, the 4th (Exodus 20:8-11), and is never a shadow, and is never an ordinance, and never carnal, but spiritual (Romans 7:14).
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You made it up, and have not a single verse that says that.
What the verses do say is this:
Exodus 33:14 And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
In the beginning God rested, sabbath'ed (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). The sabbath is the rest of the Lord from all His works, it is His rest.Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
But the (knowingly) unbelieving will not enter into His rest, not because it was not offered freely to them, but because they chose not to enter in, for they doubted they could overcome even with the grace of God, which led to their stubborn rebellious (as witchcraft) disobedience, and thus the wrath of God abides upon them still unless they repent.
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You need to add to God's word that which it doesn't say to suit your disobedience to God's clear and explicit commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). You imagined, not exegeted.
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Hi Loren,
Besides the scriptures linking the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE LINKED CLICK ME)
Happy to share the other scriptures in relation the GOD'S LAW and the MOSSAIC Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT. Let's look at the scriptures. Many people do not bother to study the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures and think that the OLD COVENANT is simplet the 10 Commandments. If you study God's WORD you will see that the OLD COVENANT consisted of two sets of laws.
These included;
1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone. (Exodus 20:1-17; 32:16; 32:28) God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it (Deuteronomy 4:1-2). God commanded Moses to keep the Tables of Stone separated from the Mosaic book of the law and both were to be housed in the ARK of the Covenant (Deuteronomy 10:5; Deuteronomy 31:24-26).
That is why God's LAW is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments and not the 613. (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4)
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2. The MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT FOR REMISSION OF SIN spoken and written by MOSES to God's people in the BOOK of the COVENANT (Deuteronomy31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Colossians 2:14-17; Deuteronomy 29:21). This is were the other 603 laws were held many of which were SHADOWS pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and fulfilled in Christ.
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THE SHADOW LAWS OF THE MOSAIC BOOK WAS PART OF THE OLD COVEANANT
EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.
DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.
DEUTERONOMY 31 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.
2 KINGS 23 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.
2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.
2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.
2 CHRONICLES 34 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.
2 CHRONICLES 34 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.
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CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of laws which included 1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
Both these sets of LAWS had very different PURPOSES under the OLD Covenant.
1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) where to provide a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. This is the same purpose under the NEW COVENANT (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)
2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the BOOK OF THE COVENANT of laws and ORDINANCES which included the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws were laws for the REMISSION or FORGIVENESS of sin which included the Leviticial PRIESTHOOD and ORDINACES for sin offerings for the SNACTUARY SERVICE. PRIESTHOOD, SACRIFICAL SIN OFFERINGS for FORGIVENESS OF SIN.
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GODS ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER
The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).
God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).
It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).
God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matthew 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Romans 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14Romans 7:22). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Galatians 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law (Romans 3:31), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4) through love (Romans 13:10).
You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.
God's LAW was written and made by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and nothing was to be added to it. (God's LAW; Exodus 32:16; 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; 10:4; Exodus 20; Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Galatians 3:24; Deuteronomy 5:22; Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 10:4 Ecclesiastse 3:14; Exodus 25:16; Deuteronomy 10:5)
It is called God's LAW or the 10 Commandment, because he was the one alone who made it and commanded Moses to keep in separated from the book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Nehemiah 10:29; Deuteronomy 10:4-5; Deuteronomy 31:25-26; Deuteronomy 4:13; Exodus 34:28)
God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it and it was to be separated from the Mosaic book of the law. That is why it is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments (not the 613).
The Mosaic law was made and written and spoken by Moses as directed by God in the book of the covenant. (Mosaic Book of the law; Deuteronomy31:9; Exodus 24:3-4; Deuteronomy 31:24-27; Colossians 2:14-17).
God not only commanded Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the Mosaic book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Deuteronomy 10:5; 31:25-26 nothing was to be added to it (Deuteronomy 4:1-2; Deuteronomy 5:22)
God makes a distinction between the 10 Commandments and the book of the law of Moses….
2 Kings 21
8, Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.
Together God's ETERNAL LAW and the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT made up the OLD COVENANT (Torah)
Hope this helps and may God bless you as you seek him through his Word and prayer.
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