THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
This is what I thought you would do. There is no significance attached to what is written in the Word of God if it doesn't agree with you. The words of the Holy Spirit " the first day of the week" written 11 times according to you, has no meaning?

Why would it not have more meaning over God's Sabbath that is written over 79 times in the NEW TESTAMENT and more in the OLD when references of no significance to the first day of the week was only mentioned 11 times?

There is no command in any of the First day scriptures in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Neither is there anything special in all of these scripture that is commanded Christian to do on the First day of the Week. Yet we read God's 4th commandment Sabbath has the same standing it has always had.

God's Sabbath is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken and what RIGHTEOUSNESS is if obeyed by FAITH. So NO Eloy, there is NO meaning to the FIRST day of the week commanded to God's people to obey. If you believe differently please provide a scripture that states we are commanded to do anything on the First day of the WEEK. You will find none.

The only significance of the FIRST day of the week is that Jesus rose on this day as highlighted in a previous post in fulfillment of the Feast of First Fruits after fulfillment of the Passover lamb for the Passover pointing to Christ death as our passover.

Eloy Craft said:
What other day is mentioned as a day of the week? Many many things happened on other days but we don't read it as a numbered day of the week.

SABBATH (7th DAY) approximately 79 times. As I mentioned earlier I do not believe that the FIRST day of the week being mentioned 11 times is many times. Everytime it is mentioned there is no requirement or command to do anything at all so I do not see any point you are making.

Eloy Craft said:
The only other day written in that way is the seventh day and the third day. But it is not followed by 'of the week'. It's written 'on the third day' or the seventh day',. The reason that the first day is mentioned like this is because it is pointing to the week of creation. That day has a two fold symbolism that both fit precisely with the rest that God entered that the Jews will not enter according to Scriptures.

Not really Eloy, the preparation day (Day 6) is mentioned around around 5 times in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

Now Eloy you have provided no scripture that is a commandment from God in relation to doing anything on the FIRST day of the WEEK. Neither is there any scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has now been Abolsihed and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. So I do not really understand any points you are making.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps

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LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
Hebrews 4 [Full Chapter]
[ The Rest That God Promised ]

Happy to talk about HEBREWS 4 if you like. Let's start by addressing your website commentary below

Eloy Craft said:
The author is describing the rest that is eternal symbolized by the first day of a NEW week and the eighth day of the week destined for destruction and renewal.

Well that has no truth in it. Please show the scripture that says that Hebrews 4 is talking about the first day of the week?

Eloy Craft said:
It's not a law as such described by letters but a living law written by human lives on the surface of the earth.

Scripture from Hebrews 4 please to prove the above?

Eloy Craft said:
The Lord's Day isn't a possession of the Lord but IS Our Lord Jesus..

Scripture please to prove the above statement? Where does it say the Lord's day is the First day of the week in Hebrews 4?

Eloy Craft said:
Why was this written to the Hebrews? Same reason it pertains to you. They deny that Jesus is our eternal rest, our Sabbath. This is what is taught by the letter to the Hebrews. This is why those Jesus said of"those who hear you hear me" worship on Sunday because what they worship is Himself the eternal day of eternal rest and the union of the New Heaven and New Earth.

Firstly Eloy the author of this article has not establsihed anything that he is claiming from the scriptures. Please provide the scripture that says that Jesus is our Sabbath? If you cannot then you will see that this writer is reading into scripture something that is not there. The same as the previous sections of this post has highlighted with questions above.

Eloy Craft said:
You know what is significant about the first day? God said "Let there be light" This is the light of Christ. The Holy Spirit prepared the waters is the Law and the Prophets and well personified by John the Baptist making a straight way for the Lord.

What has this got to do with Hebrews 4? This is not relavant to Hebrews 4.

Eloy Craft said:
That is why Sunday is called 'the first day of the week' so many times in the NT. The First Day and the eighth day point to that eternal rest the author of Hebrews was writing about. Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior.

How do you get all that out of Hebrews 4? It is pretty easy to see that nothing that this author has said comes out of Hebrews 4 and has to be read into the scripture to say something it is not saying to get that interpretation. Anyhow happy to talk more about Hebrews 3 and 4 in the next post.

Eloy, Please have a go at answering the questions asked of you in this post for your own benefit . If you do not wish to respond to them here it is ok

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
Hebrews 4 [Full Chapter]

Ok Eloy, let's look at the scriptures in HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4. These chapters also link very nicely into PSLAMS 95 if you have some time to read it but we will not touch on PSALMS 95 in this post.

For this post let's look at HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 and within Chapter and Scripture context highlighting what the scriptures are saying...

Hebrews 3
8, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 3

v8-10 God's people in the winderness erred and hardened their hearts not knowing God's ways
v11 Because they hardened their hearts not knowing God's way God was angry and did not let them enter HIS REST
v13 Hardness of heart comes from the deceitfulness of SIN (breaking God's LAW)
v19 God's people did not enter into God's REST because of UNBELIEF

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WHAT IS HIS (God's) REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?

Hebrews 4
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did REST the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my REST.

God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This is a direct reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 to God's REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week (please GENESIS 2:1-3)

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his REST (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4

v1-5 God's promised rest is from BELIEVING the GOSPEL (Word of God) and links directly to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST from creation in GENESIS 2:1-3
v6 None enter into God's REST without BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD
v6-7 (see Heb 3:13) If we harden out heart by SIN and UNBELIEF we cannot enter God's REST through the Gospel
v-7-8 The true rest of the Gospel of Christ is the other rest spoken of another day in David (Psalms 95)
v9 God's people (those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) have HIS SABBATH REST (God's REST) Sabbatismos

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CONCLUSION: Hebrews 3 and HEBREWS 4 is saying ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD enter into the Gospel rest and only those who enter the Gospel rest enter into God's 4th commandment's SABBATH REST

HEBREWS 4:1-3, [1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. [2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The issue with Hebrews 3 and 4 is that those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD DO NOT enter God's REST (both Gospel and Sabbath).

Sorry Eloy, HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 says nothing about what you were posting about earlier.

Hope this helps

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Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

bekkilyn said:
Why would a Christian *want* to? It wouldn't be in the nature of the Holy Spirit to do so.

“But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit” (Rom. 7:6).

That doesn't actually answer the question, since the question involves the 'wrongness'. Why is it 'wrong' to do so? Is there a commandment against doing so, and if so where is it to be found written in God's word?

Presently your 'spirit of the law' is a vague aethereal nothing with no foundation in anything but what you 'feel' it is.

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
Why did the Holy Spirit mention the first day of the week so many times?

Most of the times it is simply a testimony from 2 eye witnesses (Matthew and John), and 2 others (Mark and Luke) corroborating those witnesses about the day in which Jesus was resurrected, which followed the Lord's day being the seventh day the sabbath of the Lord.

Matthew 28:1(a) - οψε δε σαββατων
Matthew 28:1(b) - εις μιαν σαββατων
Mark 16:2 - και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων
Mark 16:9 - αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου
Luke 24:1 - τη δε μια των σαββατων
John 20:1 - τη δε μια των σαββατων
John 20:19 - τη μια των σαββατων
Acts 20:7 - εν δε τη μια των σαββατων
1 Corinthians 16:2 - κατα μιαν σαββατων

Matthew 28:1(a,b), Mark 16:2,9, Luke 24:1, John 20:1,19 are all speaking of the same "first [day] of the week" (one/first (day) of/towards/between the sabbath(s))

Acts 20:7 speaks of another moment in the days of Paul, on what is called 'saturday night', not a 'sunday morning'; but rather, the first dark (evening) part of the 'first [day] of the week'. It is recorded because of the special event that took place there, namely Eutychus.

1 Corinthians 16:2 speaks of other days, and is simply instruction to personally (at home) gather a special love offering for those in the dearth in Jerusalem, after the Sabbath was over, on the first [day] of the week', and when Paul came by the city, he would collect it from each person.

The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the Old Testament (Genesis to Malachi)

Genesis 2:1-3;

Exodus 5:4-5,8-9, 16:23-30, 20:8-11, 23:12, 31:12-18, 34:21, 35:1-3

Leviticus 19:3,30, 23:3,11,15-16,38, 24:8, 26:2

Numbers 15:32, 28:9

Deuteronomy 5:12-15

2 Kings 4:23, 11:5,7,9, 16:18

1 Chronicles 9:32, 23:31

2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 23:4,8, 31:3

Nehemiah 9:6,14, 10:31,33, 13:15-22

Psalms 92:1, 146:6

Isaiah 56:2,4,6, 58:13, 66:23

Jeremiah 17:21-27

Ezekiel 20:12-24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24, 46:1,3-4,12

Amos 8:5

The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament (Matthew to Revelation):

Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;

Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;

Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;

John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 19:31;

Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;

Additional references are:

Additional reference is in the Sabbath before Jesus' death, wherein Jesus, the disciples and Lazarus, all were at Lazarus' house, six days before the Passover, the very next day being the Triumphal entry:

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

See also:

Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11;

Hebrews 4:9; [Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]

Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek, which is the greater Sabbath of the Cosmic week], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc

Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single explicit 'first [day] of the week' text, as each text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

Matthew 28:1(a) - oye de sabbatwn
Matthew 28:1(b) - eiV mian sabbatwn
Mark 16:2 - kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
Mark 16:9 - anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
Luke 24:1 - th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:1 - th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:19 - th mia twn sabbatwn
Acts 20:7 - en de th mia twn sabbatwn
1 Corinthians 16:2 - kata mian sabbatwn

That the Sabbath [of the Lord thy God], [being] the 7th day, is always the culmination of the week in God's Created order and is always referred to as such in all of scripture.

Therefore, every single “first [day] of the week” text upholds the 7th Day Sabbath, and is undeniable evidence of its continued existence and prominence.

Eloy Craft said:
What is the significance of the first day of the week?

Just a day and has no special designation in scripture, other than, 'the first [day] of the week', see previous Koine Greek above.

Eloy Craft said:
You didn't answer that question. that's the one I asked.

Just answered it. The better question, is what is the significance of Jesus saying on the 6th day, "It is finished", and finished speaking (he died), as at Creation, being done speaking Creation and was "finished", Genesis 2:1, and entered into His rest, the 7th day the sabbath of the Lord, as at Creation, Genesis 2:1-3.

bekkilyn · Jul 31, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
That doesn't actually answer the question, since the question involves the 'wrongness'. Why is it 'wrong' to do so? Is there a commandment against doing so, and if so where is it to be found written in God's word?

Presently your 'spirit of the law' is a vague aethereal nothing with no foundation in anything but what you 'feel' it is.

It would be wrong to do so because it is not in the character of God. Not because it's written on some stone tablet and put inside of an Ark. We no longer need to follow a list of rules or specific ceremonial times and days of Sabbath or anything else. The Israelites had to specifically follow all of the Mosaic law, including the ten commandments, for a specific purpose which has been fulfilled under the new covenant. Now the Holy Spirit within us is our "law", and if we are living by the Spirit, our behavior will not behave in ways opposed to God's character. So yes, we will take periodic sabbath rest to restore us and draw us closer to God, but it is not about specific days and times of the week. Making it into a ritualistic, ceremonial thing removes its meaning and message. Don't make the ten commandments into an idol to worship. Accept *Jesus* as Lord and Savior, worship God and God alone, and allow the Holy Spirit to work within you and transform you. Scripture can be of great help to us in doing so, but should not be worshiped as if it is a god in and of itself. If you do not understand the spirit of God's law, then you may need to allow the Holy Spirit to do his work rather than attempting it all under your own effort.

BNR32FAN · Jul 31, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi All,

This thread is for scripture only. We would like to show that the "LORD'S DAY" that many proclaim is SUNDAY is a false teaching and you will not find this in God's WORD.

Let's start by looking at your scriptures that many use claim SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY"

REVELATIONS 1:9-11 [9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. [10], I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [11], Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!

NOW the only problem you have is the need to show scripture that says SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY.

Can you please provide scripture that says SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY"?

If you cannot find any scriptures to say that SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY" then you have a problem.

What day does scripture say is the LORD'S DAY ?

Let's have a look at the Scriptures...

MATTHEW 12:8 [8] FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?
A. THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

Now friend's the SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of God's 10 Commandments and there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. The same as there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.

John in the book of REVELATIONS 1:10 was in the SPIRIT on the SABBATH DAY not SUNDAY!

SUNDAY Worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down by the Roman Catholic Church that has lead many to break and ignore God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)

God's WORD is very clear. If we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

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God knows many follow these traditions from ignorance because they do not know any better. He loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Seek him in prayer asking for his Spirit to guide and teach you. He promises to be your guide and teacher. (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

May God bless you all as you seek him first through his Word. To him be all the glory forever and ever AMEN!

What about the rest of the 613 commandments of God? Does each SDA member personally write their own Torah scroll? God commanded it. Have they participated in any good stonings lately? I certainly hope not. Romans 14 is one good example. We are no longer under the letter of the law but instead we are under the purpose of the law. As long as we do pick a day to honor God we are following the purpose of the Sabbath. I think it’s great that SDA members to honor the sabbath and I wish that I could do the same but unfortunately in my line of work it is not possible. However I am fortunate to have every Sunday off to rest and worship The Lord.

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

bekkilyn said:
It would be wrong to do so because it is not in the character of God. ...

Where is that written?

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
... unfortunately in my line of work it is not possible. ...

With God all things are possible. Stop making excuses for your known refusal to obey. Your boss would not accept such lame excuses, what makes you think God will?

bekkilyn · Jul 31, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
What about the rest of the 613 commandments of God? Does each SDA member personally write their own Torah scroll? God commanded it. Have they participated in any good stonings lately? I certainly hope not. Romans 14 is one good example. We are no longer under the letter of the law but instead we are under the purpose of the law. As long as we do pick a day to honor God we are following the purpose of the Sabbath. I think it’s great that SDA members to honor the sabbath and I wish that I could do the same but unfortunately in my line of work it is not possible. However I am fortunate to have every Sunday off to rest and worship The Lord.

Conveniently, the labeling system they have devised allows them to toss out any laws they don't like and so that ALL the law doesn't really mean all of it.

bekkilyn · Jul 31, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Where is that written?

Hopefully in your heart.

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
What about the rest of the 613 commandments of God?...

Rabinical and Talmudic nonsense. No such number in scripture exists.

However, Jesus said:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

bekkilyn · Jul 31, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
With God all things are possible. Stop making excuses for your known refusal to obey. Your boss would not accept such lame excuses, what makes you think God will?

There is a big difference between obeying the will of God and obeying an out-of-context interpretation of the will of God. You don't reach understanding of God's will and character simply by parroting out legalism.

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

bekkilyn said:
Hopefully in your heart.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

How do you know that what is 'written' upon the heart is true?

Jesus said:

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

That which is to be written upon the heart is God's Law:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Where may those laws be found written in God's word, to confirm that which is written upon the heart?

The 7th day the sabbath is written upon my Heart by the Holy Ghost. That it is not written upon yours, tells me something about you and your heart. You have your own law, apart from God's Law.

Loren T. · Jul 31, 2018

If you keep the Jewish Sabbath, but not all the other laws, what good is that? This is an honest question. I don't see how people reconcile obeying some of the law but not all of it.
Sabbath, IMO, is now more of a concept, (set time aside to worship and rest), then it is a certain day.

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

bekkilyn said:
There is a big difference between obeying the will of God and obeying an out-of-context interpretation of the will of God. You don't reach understanding of God's will and character simply by parroting out legalism.

Obedience to God's law is not legalism. It is the outworking of Love in response to God's saving grace in the gift of His Son.

What you have is disobedience, and il-legalism (which is real 'legalism').

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

Loren T. said:
If you keep the Jewish Sabbath...

Can you show me a single verse in scripture which says "Jewish Sabbath"? I'll wait.

Loren T. · Jul 31, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

If you are not a Christian, yes, your heart is wicked. But you kinda skipped the part about him giving us a new heart to replace our heart of stone.

Loren T. · Jul 31, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Can you show me a single verse in scripture which says "Jewish Sabbath"? I'll wait.

Do you obey all 613 commandments, or don't you? If not, what benefit is there in obeying one of the laws given in the Torah? If you break one, you have broken all.

Pyong Ping · Jul 31, 2018

Loren T. said:
...but not all the other laws, what good is that? This is an honest question. I don't see how people reconcile obeying some of the law but not all of it....

A Christian is to obey all of God's laws.

THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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