What is the Gospel?

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The Epistles are for people who already know the Gospel in established Christian communities, so if the Epistles are not the Gospel then what is the Gospel? Should Matthew, Mark, Luke and John be used exclusively to tell the Gospel to non-believers?

Perhaps you could say we have theological license to use what we want to or it could be said that doctrinally meaty messages are irresponsible for non-believers as they are not ready. This begs the question what is the purpose of the Gospel? Should it "fix" ones theology or should it be more focused on introducing someone to Jesus?
The gospel is the death, burial and ressurection of JESUS CHrist...and the bible says "The lord has ordained they that preach the gospel should live it"

and Romans 6 shows we can live it through repentance, baptism, and holy ghost reception.
 
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Because they were letters of corrospondance. Paul didn’t call his letters “scripture” and certainly not the word of God equal to Jesus.

Where did you see Matthew Mark Luke or John call thier letters Scripture ?
 
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Because they were letters of corrospondance. Paul didn’t call his letters “scripture” and certainly not the word of God equal to Jesus.

But Peter called them Scripture , is Peter mistaken also ?
 
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Where did you see Matthew Mark Luke or John call thier letters Scripture ?
They aren't, they were written accounts which the church latter included in the cannon. There were other books that people read as well such as Enoch. The church decided not to make other works the official cannon or "scripture". The Book of Revelation was the last and most controversial book made into scripture.
 
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Well not everything , you don't know the name of your saviour from that one .

This one for example has :
a) Sin and it's wages = death
b) Redeemer's name
c) God's solution how to deal with sin

Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

My post was a simplified version of the gospel as I see it.
It is a starting point for everything.

Why does God love us like this?
Who is His begotten Son?
How can we believe in Him?
Why do we need the Son?

and every other question we have, so we follow up by finding the answers to these questions in the Bible.
That is how I see John 3:16, and why I said what I did.:)
 
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They aren't, they were written accounts which the church latter included in the cannon. There were other books that people read as well such as Enoch. The church decided not to make other works the official cannon or "scripture". The Book of Revelation was the last and most controversial book made into scripture.

So if whole NT is not Scriptures according to you why do you argue from it , it's only opinions of men then .
 
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So if whole NT is not Scriptures according to you why do you argue from it , it's only opinions of men then .
The New Testament is scripture, scripture is man made and fallible. The councils of the church are imperfect just like the council that conspired to put Jesus to death was comprised of biased imperfect men. In fact Jesus told them that their father was the devil.


Jesus taught the original gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven publicly for 3 + years. The Jews hated that gospel and thus sought to kill him because of that Gospel. Killing Jesus wasn't that gospel.



Jesus Before the High Priest

19Meanwhile, the high priest questioned Jesus about His disciples and His teaching.

20“I have spoken openly to the world,” Jesus answered. “I always taught in the synagogues and at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret. 21Why are you asking Me? Ask those who heard My message. Surely they know what I said.”

22When Jesus had said this, one of the officers standing nearby slapped Him in the face and said, “Is this how You answer the high priest?”

23Jesus replied, “If I said something wrong, testify to what was wrong. But if I spoke correctly, why did you strike Me?”



Jesus performed a number of miracles, the resurrection was the final act. After the ascension some of Jesus' followers began immediately to build a new religion around the death and resurrection as that was naturally the most spectacular miracle. They also assumed he would soon return to fulfill the predictions of a Jewish Messiah.
 
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The New Testament is scripture, scripture is man made and fallible.
2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Well there is no point trusting your arguments or even what you wrote , since everything is man made and fellible so are your opinions presented there . So why should we believe what you say again ? Why do you consider your opinion better than somebody's else opinion and on what basics you judge this ?
 
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2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Well there is no point trusting your arguments or even what you wrote , since everything is man made and fellible so are your opinions presented there . So why should we believe what you say again ? Why do you consider your opinion better than somebody's else opinion and on what basics you judge this ?
Jesus taught a gospel about faith in his Father long before the cross.....which became the central focus of the new religion about —> Jesus to the exclusion of the original.

You are filibustering, finding secondary fault with me to avoid the glaring facts in what I’m pointing out. It’s the age old technique of trying to discredit the messenger so that you can block the message from entering your mind! They tried to do it to Jesus who would teach some profound truth only to have the quiblers point out that he didn’t wash his hands before he ate dinner!

The “good news” of Jesus wasn’t the “good news” of Paul.
 
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Jesus taught a gospel about faith in his Father long before the cross.....which became the central focus of the new religion about —> Jesus to the exclusion of the original.

You are filibustering, finding secondary fault with me to avoid the glaring facts in what I’m pointing out.

It does not matter what you are pointing out if you deny New Testament , you can't even tell if Jesus existed or not you haven't been there .

You alredy said you don't believe Peter about the topic of Paul , why would you believe Peter about topic of Jesus ?
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Seems like you cherry pick what you want or what you believe
 
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It does not matter what you are pointing out if you deny New Testament , you can't even tell if Jesus existed or not you haven't been there .

You alredy said you don't believe Peter about the topic of Paul , why would you believe Peter about topic of Jesus ?
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Seems like you cherry pick what you want or what you believe
I believe Jesus about the topic of Jesus. I believe that Paul got some of his ideas about Jesus from Peter.
 
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I believe Jesus about the topic of Jesus. I believe that Paul got some of his ideas about Jesus from Peter.

But Jesus never wrote his gospel , you either believe what Peter said in his book or not . All or nothing .

How could Paul get the idea from Peter if they never met prior to Jerusalem council ?
You are guessing again why should we trust your opinions based on nothing ?
 
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It was not so at the beginning .
Matthew 10:5
“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:”


Only after Jews rejected the Kingdom Christ converted Saul and renamed him Paul and set him as apostle to gentiles .
Today is not "the beginning" and the gospel was always for all the descendants of Eve that's what God said to Eve on the day she first sinned.
Genesis 3:8And they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Jehovah God amongst the trees of the garden. 9And Jehovah God called unto the man, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13And Jehovah God said unto the woman, What is this thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.​

14And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:​

15and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
And Abraham received a covenant for the blessing of all the nations.
 
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Today is not "the beginning" and the gospel was always for all the descendants of Eve that's what God said to Eve on the day she first sinned.
Genesis 3:8And they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Jehovah God amongst the trees of the garden. 9And Jehovah God called unto the man, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13And Jehovah God said unto the woman, What is this thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.​

14And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:​

15and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
And Abraham received a covenant for the blessing of all the nations.

Ephesians 2:12
“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”
 
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Ephesians 2:12
“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”
That's an excellent verse. It teaches that before conversion people who didn't know Christ were "strangers from the covenants". Ephesians 2:12 does not teach that what Jesus said in Mark 1 is some kind of "old testament" saying that can be safely ignored. The fact is that the gospel is what Jesus said it is; specifically, the kingdom of God is at hand repent and believe the good news.
 
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But Jesus never wrote his gospel , you either believe what Peter said in his book or not . All or nothing .

How could Paul get the idea from Peter if they never met prior to Jerusalem council ?
You are guessing again why should we trust your opinions based on nothing ?
Never said Peter didn't meet Paul before Jerusalem council.

I believe what Jesus said in his own words.
 
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Paul, who never new the original gospel or Jesus in the flesh, adopted the new, post cross gospel and innocently embellished it with his own preexisting religious beliefs.


Paul's dominant, charismatic teachings influenced the recollection of Jesus as the gospels were developed and written.
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Then what your saying is, the Bible was not inspired by God, and that none of the Bible can be trusted because, Paul lied about so many things?
 
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