Franklin Graham Admonishes Christians To Lay Off Trump

Speedwell said:

It's sad to contemplate the notion that God may think that the most important issue facing this country today is homosexuality--or at least that a sizable voting bloc thinks so.

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It would be hilariously funny if this false notion wasn't so harmful to so many people in the country whose civil rights are threatened by it.

I have to wonder if these people actually READ the bible rather than listening to whatever they are told God likes and dislikes by FOX news or whatever other self-proclaimed religious guru claiming to speak for Jesus is out there.

Note that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality (or abortion) even once. In fact, abortion is NEVER mentioned anywhere in scriptures, and homosexuality can be found perhaps around seven times and never in any of the gospels. (And is usually taken out of context when interpreted for political motives.) I suppose it wasn't considered that important compared to all of the other things that God actually gets angry about throughout scripture.

Such as idolatry, and putting other gods before him...something that God's prophets address over and over and over. (And it's even one of the 10 commandments!) These other gods, by the way, are not just human-created gods such as Marduk and Cybele and the like. They are money and wealth, material goods, kings and other political figures, ideologies, nationalism, and the like.

Contempt for the poor is another big issue God gets extremely angry about and regularly condemns individuals and entire nations over it.

I'm thinking if people actually READ the bible...the *whole* bible and not just cherry-picked verses to support whatever political ideologies they think are important...then perhaps they could see all of these other things, provided that the Holy Spirit allows them to see. I suspect that the Holy Spirit may be concealing it from many though since one would have to be utterly blind to read through scriptures and still not have a clue concerning Spirit-filled Christian behavior.

thats why even in the old testament kings and presidents were not supposed to be spiritual leaders.....
or at least never really ended up being spiritual leaders.......

in the old testament they looked to the priests and prophets for moral guidance.....not kings
when kings tried to act as priests they were severely chastised by the Lord.......
example : Saul tried to take over Samuels priestly duties and was struck down out of his anointing by God.....
another King went into the priest temple and was struck with leprosy..
2 cronicles 26:16-21
his pride led to his downfall. He was unfaithful to the Lord his God, and entered the temple of the Lord to burn incense on the altar of incense. 17 Azariah the priest with eighty other courageous priests of the Lord followed him in. 18 They confronted King Uzziah and said, “It is not right for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the Lord. That is for the priests, ... the sanctuary, for you have been unfaithful; and you will not be honored by the Lord God.”

... When Azariah the chief priest and all the other priests looked at him, they saw that he had leprosy on his forehead, so they hurried him out. ...
21 King Uzziah had leprosy until the day he died

we should do the same and not look to presidents as moral leaders but look to pastors and evangelists to guide us

Shiloh Raven said:

I'm quite confident that once Trump out of office and he finally drops all pretenses of pretending to be a Christian and he actually cares for the evangelical faith, the moral indignation and public outrage that conservative evangelicals once had for the president's immoral behavior (which includes sexual scandals and adultery) will quickly come back in full force if the next president is a Democrat.

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Yes, but there will be no reason left to continue to listen to them.

You have to have some credibility for your complaints to have force.

The religious right has made their choice, they have chosen to cash in any credibility they might have had for political victory right now.

You can be a religion or you can be a politically partisan voting block but not both.

RDKirk said:

And they will make that flip with perfectly straight faces, just as they've done this time.

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Low information voters apparently have very short attention spans.

Sorry, Frank, not happening.

Apologetic_Warrior said:

Yeah well, I'm a bit young to remember the fictional 50's and 60's, shoot I cannot even remember the 70's when I was just a wee little lad. The 80's were a mix of great and not so great to me. I have some good memories though, my mother made sure of it. For some of us younger peeps it's about MAG for the first time in our lives. Honestly, bumper stickers and slogans have never done much for me, regardless of whatever they're about, bit shallow in my opinion.

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tulc said:

While the 50's are a bit of a blank (born in 1955) I do remember the 60's vaguely I remember President Kennedy getting killed (more because my favorite cartoon show was preempted and I was outraged at that!) I remember Bobby Kennedy being killed and I remember Dr King being killed. I remember Vietnam (lost a couple of friends to that)


I got saved in 1973 while in the Air Force joined a Jesus Freak commune in Cali where I was stationed and when I got out moved to another commune where I met my wife, we moved out of the commune, got married in Jan 1976 and had our first kid in Dec. of the same year. Eventually moved to another state and finally joined another group of Jesus freaks and have lived communally here in Chicago since 1978...dang...I'm really REALLY old!

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Here's some perspective. Between you two and myself, we've been members of CF for a combined 46 years. If combined our accounts would have been able to vote in 1990. That's before tulc's first child was able to vote.

RDKirk said:

Those were the Pilgrims who landed on the Mayflower--Calvinists who objected to a national Church. Not on the Mayflower, but on the second ship was one particular pastor, Roger Williams.

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Point of information. Williams and his wife were part of the Puritan Great Migration to the Massachusetts Bay Colony (as opposed to Plymouth Colony where the Pilgrims settled). They traveled on the Lyon in 1931/2 (old calendar) which was many, many ships after the Mayflower. I know this because I have many ancestors who were part of the Puritan Great Migration to Massachusetts Bay including a number who were on John Winthrop's fleet in 1630 (like 11 ships) which I determined to predate the Williams' trip on the Lyon after about 5 minutes of Wikipedia and other sources.

Anyway, if anyone needs some bona fides about Williams beyond his flight to Connecticut, he was being recruited as a pastor in Massachusetts Bay and while Boston wanted him, Salem didn't... and we all know* what happened there after 1690.

Episaw said:

I don't have any prejudices.

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Yes you do (So do I). And claiming a whole group are specifically liars, yep prejudice.

Episaw said:

Ho hum.

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oddly enough we're also bored through our teeth. We hum through them as well.
tulc(finds teeth to be very useful things)

Episaw said:

I don't have any prejudices.

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Yeah...sure....

SimplyMe said:

Just to be clear, "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49

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Uh-oh.

Franklin Graham Admonishes Christians To Lay Off Trump

Lay him off by all means but it would be better to just fire him.

tulc said:

oddly enough we're also bored through our teeth. We hum through them as well.
tulc(finds teeth to be very useful things)

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I think we hum through our noses. Those of us who get to be a certain age may lie through our gums.

DaisyDay said:

I think we hum through our noses. Those of us who get to be a certain age may lie through our gums.

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My nose runs and my feet smell --- maybe I'm built upside down.

Reading the tweets themselves, I'm not seeing a clear admonishment to not hold Trump accountable.

Allandavid said:

Yeah...sure....

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So glad you have got the picture.

tulc said:

...or much self awareness apparently.
tulc(is prejudiced against decaff)

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Have a nice day.

tulc said:

oddly enough we're also bored through our teeth. We hum through them as well.
tulc(finds teeth to be very useful things)

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Ho hum. What has that to do with the topic of the thread?

Goonie said:

Yes you do (So do I). And claiming a whole group are specifically liars, yep prejudice.

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Have a nice day.

I do believe Graham, unlike his father, is a false prophet.

Episaw said:

Have a nice day.

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Thank you, I did have a nice day yesterday!
tulc(and another one today for that matter)