THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

the Lord's Day IS Sunday..,the 1st day of the week in GREEK...the Scriptures were written in GREEK...if you can't understand that, then I cant help you

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Then you should have no problem showing the scriptures that Sunday is the Lord's day? Where are they?

We are talking about scripture here and GREEK. You have not provided a single scripture reference to the Lord's Day being Sunday the first day of the week.

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (Sunday).

The GREEK words μιά των σαββάτων is used to designate the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (Sunday) in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures not κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ

Your challenge in this OP is to prove that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week and prove it from the scriptures. So far you have not.

Anto9us said:

Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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None of the scriptures provided here say that God's 4th commandment has been abolished as we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

For example COL 2:16 is in reference to the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC book of the COVENANT not the 10 Commandments. The within CHAPTER and SCRIPTURE Context is CIRCUMCISION v11-13 with v14 showing CONTEXT of the GREEK word dogma meaning hand writting manuscript of CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws. v16 is in reference to the annual Jewish festivals which also includes the yearly spacial Sabbaths connected to feast days that could fall on any day of the week. Not God's 10 Commandments or 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT LINKED HERE CLICK ME. (see PARTS 1-6)

v17 is in reference to the CONTEXT of v11-17 which is the MOSIAC shadow laws of the BOOK of the COVENANT that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation not God's eternal laws (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)

Romans 14 is in relation to food connected to holy days and fasting. There is no reference to God's 4th Commandment in this chapter and it does not discuss it.

Hope this helps.

@EVERYONE. Sorry if I have not had the chance to reply to you. It is my work time now but I will try and respond to you when I have more time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for the nice discussion.

bekkilyn said:

And yet just like all the other times these were all thrown at me, none of them are what I asked for, which was the point out verse in the New Testament which specifically commands Gentiles to observe the seventh day sabbath.

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Hi Bekkilyn.

Your making a strawman argument as there are no gentiles anymore unless your an UNBELIEVER. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27).

God's ISRAEL are defined in the OLD and NEW Testament scriptures as those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

Happy to share the scriptures if you like although this would divert from the OP here.

There is another OP here supported by scripture linked CLICK ME. Please feel free to comment there.

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL (Those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise and are not apart of God's people. Thanks for sharing.

Hope this helps.

Hi David, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. None of these scriptures however, say that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Let's have a look at the scriptures you have provided...

David Cabrera said:

On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. (Acts 20:7)

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ACTS 20:7 [7], And on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached to them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The disciples met together everyday of the week in the book of ACTS. "BREAK BREAD" simply means that the disciples were having a meal together. WHY? BECAUSE PAUL WAS DEPARTING the next day and they were not going to see him again for some time v7; 13-16.

So NOPE ACTS 20:7 is not a scripture that says God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY.

Now let's look at the other scriptures you have provided...

David Cabrera said:

On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. (1 Corinthians 16:2)

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Now let's be honest now does 1 COR 16:2 tell us that God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? I do not think so. Let's look at the scripture...

1 CORINTHIANS 16:1-8
[1], Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do you.
[2], On the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
[3], And when I come, whomsoever you shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality to Jerusalem.
[4], And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.
[5], Now I will come to you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.
[6], And it may be that I will abide, yes, and winter with you, that you may bring me on my journey wherever I go.
[7], For I will not see you now by the way; but I trust to tarry a while with you, if the Lord permit.
[8], But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

Now notice the reason for the collection. The collection for the saints was to be laid up on Sunday why? v2-5 because Paul was passing through on his way to Ephesus v8 and was taking the offerings to the Saints at Jerusalem v3.

So once again NOPE. 1 COR 16:1-8 are not scriptures that say God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY now is it David?

Hope this helps.

Sam91 said:

Hi, this sabbath question has bugged me for a long time.

However much I would like to observe it, I am reminded of Galations 3:10 and other places. I understand that people say it is the sacrificial law Paul is talking about. But I still try to remember that it is through what Christ did that I'm forgiven not from keeping a Sabbath.

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Absolutely Sam. All God's LAW can do is give us a knowledge of what SIN is (ROMANS 3:20 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4) it cannot save us only Jesus (God's WORD) can save us from SIN and cleanse is from all unrighteousness (1 JOHN 1:9). Slavation from SIN is only in Christ (the WORD). FAITH is the victory that overcomes the WORLD (1 JOHN 5:4).

Sam91 said:

I take heart from the passage quoted earlier in the thread that says he who marks a special day does so unto the Lord. I also take heart from the passage of Acts where at a council or meeting of the Apostles discussing the Gentiles James, I think, suggested that they wouldn't put many restraints/burdens on them except to stay away from sexual immorality, blood and food sacrificed to idols.

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NONE of these passages however are saying that God's 10 Commandments are abolished or do they say that God's 4th Commandment Sabbath is abolished and we are now commanded to to Sunday as a Holy day. It is God's LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and are the great standard in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS and the Judgment to come.

Sam91 said:

Oh it is all too confusing. So it leads me back to Proverbs 3:5-6. If the Lord wants me to observe the sabbath He is all powerful enough to reveal it.

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It is true Sam, I think it can be confusing if you come to these boards or listen to others on there version of what God's WORD means.

Did you know that part of the NEW COVENANT promise is that God wants to be your teacher? (HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 14:26; 16:13; 7:17) All God wants us to do is to put him first and seek him through his WORD saying LORD send me your spirit and teach me your word.

If you BELIEVE these promises God will be your teacher. All he wants of us is to be like the faithful Bareans seek him through his WORD and he will be found of you. He knocks at the door of our heart. It is up to us to let him in by Faith and seeking him through his WORD.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Anto9us said:

The Body is of Christ.

An example is the SDA Church across the highway from me.

For a while, (several months) a certain Presbyterian congregation SHARED THE BUILDING -- mutually agreeing to have the Presbyterian services there on Sunday, and the SDA's their services on Saturday -- this went on until the Presbyterians raised enough money to get their own building elsewhere.
No antagonism between the two congregations -- they both benefited I am sure -- during this period (Presbyterians sharing bills for that time) -- the body is of Christ.

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Yes good point Anto9us, I believe God has his people in all the different Church's but there is coming a time of revival where there will be an outpouring of God's Spirit through his WORD and there will be one Shepard and one fold. God is calling out a people to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

God's Sheep hear his voice.

OK, work break over for now I will be back latter to catch up on some more posts that have not been responded to soon.

God's blessing to everyone as you seek him through his Word