Should I tell my kids that Jesus is God?

bekkilyn said:

In your view, who is the Word who became flesh?

What you are missing here in John 3:16 is that "begotten" is translated from the Greek word monogenes, which means in this case that Jesus is the only one of his kind or class, unique, and shares the same divine nature as God, and not that Jesus was created or produced by God, or adopted sons and daughters of God such as the ordinary created Christian believer.

If you believe that Jesus is human but not divine, then you are practicing Arianism and not Christianity.

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Don’t know quite how to take that because I follow what Jesus teaches and never once did he ever say he was God. So by ur statement of accusing me of not following Jesus as a teacher in which he has repeatedly stated in the Bible then I am offended... but that would be the human side and my spiritual side is letting me let go because my Faith is in God where it should be according to the teachings of Christ...

I will write more when I get home this phone is having fun with me...

Lonnie Owens said:

Don’t know quite how to take that because I follow what Jesus teaches and never once did he ever say he was God. So by ur statement of accusing me of not following Jesus as a teacher in which he has repeatedly stated in the Bible then I am offended... but that would be the human side and my spiritual side is letting me let go because my Faith is in God where it should be according to the teachings of Christ...

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I can't help that you're offended by the meanings in the original text of the gospels. One can't be Christian without believing in both the divinity and humanity of Christ, the Messiah. It's not enough to just follow Jesus as a great teacher. Many non-Christian religions do that. Someone who is merely a great human teacher, but not divine, would not qualify to forgive sins as only God could do that, and would also not qualify to be the pure sacrifice that takes on everyone's sins in order to save them from the ultimate death.

If Jesus is not God, then there is no salvation for any of us. Christians believe otherwise as a basic tenet of Christian faith.

Ok so you have already judged me without even reading and understanding what I am saying... I am offended only that u said I wasn’t a Christian... because I never said he wasn’t Devine... read what I said not what you want to see... please and thank you... because I will never Back Down From God period... and yes that is they way I am taking your responses. And for that I apologize....

Lonnie Owens said:

Ok so you have already judged me without even reading and understanding what I am saying... I am offended only that u said I wasn’t a Christian... because I never said he wasn’t Devine... read what I said not what you want to see... please and thank you... because I will never Back Down From God period... and yes that is they way I am taking your responses. And for that I apologize....

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You stated that Jesus is not God, and Jesus being God is part of the very foundation of Christianity as a religion.

In Christianity, there is only one God.
This one God is made up of three parts - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The Son became flesh (fully human) while still fully divine (God) to be the sacrifice that saves us from our sins.
If you meant that Jesus is divine, but that there is only one God, then Jesus is God.

If you meant that Jesus is divine in any other way, then you are implying that there are multiple gods, with God being one god, and Jesus being another god, which is not a Christian belief.

It's one or the other unless you don't believe that Jesus is divine at all, and then it's Arianism, again not Christianity.

bekkilyn said:

I can't help that you're offended by the meanings in the original text of the gospels. One can't be Christian without believing in both the divinity and humanity of Christ, the Messiah. It's not enough to just follow Jesus as a great teacher. Many non-Christian religions do that. Someone who is merely a great human teacher, but not divine, would not qualify to forgive sins as only God could do that, and would also not qualify to be the pure sacrifice that takes on everyone's sins in order to save them from the ultimate death.

If Jesus is not God, then there is no salvation for any of us. Christians believe otherwise as a basic tenet of Christian faith.[/QU

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And for the salvation if you read the teachings of Christ he says over and over again to follow his words and keep his commandments... he also say that the world he does and what he says is not of himself by of him who sent me... and the word made flesh people take as literal but Jesus never spoke directly he spoke in parables... in fact back then if you read the ancient texts and translated them they would make no sense but if you put your mindset to the way they spoke back then and take into account that Jesus wants us to have a closer relationship with God... pl are read all my posts then tell me I Am Not A Christian!

bekkilyn said:

You stated that Jesus is not God, and Jesus being God is part of the very foundation of Christianity as a religion.

In Christianity, there is only one God.
This one God is made up of three parts - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The Son became flesh (fully human) while still fully divine (God) to be the sacrifice that saves us from our sins.
If you meant that Jesus is divine, but that there is only one God, then Jesus is God.

If you meant that Jesus is divine in any other way, then you are implying that there are multiple gods, with God being one god, and Jesus being another god, which is not a Christian belief.

It's one or the other unless you don't believe that Jesus is divine at all, and then it's Arianism, again not Christianity.

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No the Foundation of Christianity is the Belief in God (to be Christ like) hence Jesus was sent to teach us how we are to worship God and over and over again he has stated that there is none greater than God The Father...

Ok autocorrect has gotten me again lol

Lonnie Owens said:

No the Foundation of Christianity is the Belief in God (to be Christ like) hence Jesus was sent to teach us how we are to worship God and over and over again he has stated that there is none greater than God The Father...

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Who is teaching you these things?

bekkilyn said:

Who is teaching you these things?

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Well God for one and he has opened my eyes wider than they had ever been... my uncle is a retired pastor and theology professor... I was telling him what God had revealed to me and he was surprised and agreed about the many meanings of the words in the Bible and that people take it too literal... I use to have to he same beliefs until January 17 2013 when God woke me from a dead sleep with one question “ is your faith in Me of the Bible?” And that is when he started showing me things I only took for granted and have yet to stop learning and listening to God... and I know it’s God who is speaking to me because I have run my revealing by a lot of pastors and such who have been ministering for many years and I let God do the rest...

Lonnie Owens said:

Well God for one and he has opened my eyes wider than they had ever been... my uncle is a retired pastor and theology professor... I was telling him what God had revealed to me and he was surprised and agreed about the many meanings of the words in the Bible and that people take it too literal... I use to have to he same beliefs until January 17 2013 when God woke me from a dead sleep with one question “ is your faith in Me of the Bible?” And that is when he started showing me things I only took for granted and have yet to stop learning and listening to God... and I know it’s God who is speaking to me because I have run my revealing by a lot of pastors and such who have been ministering for many years and I let God do the rest...

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If you do not believe that Jesus is God, then how do you expect to be saved from sin? Do you think you can achieve it on your own through following Jesus' teachings?

bekkilyn said:

You stated that Jesus is not God, and Jesus being God is part of the very foundation of Christianity as a religion.

In Christianity, there is only one God.
This one God is made up of three parts - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The Son became flesh (fully human) while still fully divine (God) to be the sacrifice that saves us from our sins.
If you meant that Jesus is divine, but that there is only one God, then Jesus is God.

If you meant that Jesus is divine in any other way, then you are implying that there are multiple gods, with God being one god, and Jesus being another god, which is not a Christian belief.

It's one or the other unless you don't believe that Jesus is divine at all, and then it's Arianism, again not Christianity.

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Maybe it would have been more tactful to have said "Arian Christian" ? Language is a stumbling block, as is our finite experience. So with the Trinity, it is not exactly correct to say God is in "three parts". The doctrine derives from how Christ spoke of himself and of the complex relation an infinite God has while being both transcendent and imminent. I once heard a beautiful phrase but don't remember where, and it relates to that relationship....

The Son is what the Father has to say, and he has been saying it for all eternity.

By following his teachings and having a close relationship with God yes , but if you don’t have a True relationship with God and keep his commandments then you would be lost... this includes remembering the sabbath day and keeping it holy... Jesus said John 4:24 “God is a Spirit:and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

eucatastrophe said:

Maybe it would have been more tactful to have said "Arian Christian" ?

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Should I call Muslims Muslim Christians because they also acknowledge Jesus as a great teacher/prophet but not God?

Lonnie Owens said:

By following his teachings and having a close relationship with God yes , but if you don’t have a True relationship with God and keep his commandments then you would be lost... this includes remembering the sabbath day and keeping it holy... Jesus said John 4:24 “God is a Spirit:and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

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Have you perfectly and flawlessly followed every commandment so that you remain free of even the slightest blemish or trace of sin? Do you claim to be without sin since conception? If not, then you have already failed and are already lost.

We are all Children of God no matter what religion we are.. I happen to know a lot of Muslims some good some bad... I have fought for this country alongside all religions...and if you knew the true meaning behind the Muslim religion like I have learned through my education and experience by serving side by side with some of the hardest fighting people in the world... you have Radical Muslim and then you have those who actually stand against them... but God doesn’t look at your denomination all he looks at is how we treat each other and that we love each other and worship God in Spirit and in Truth.. God is Love Not discrimination... so prior to 2013 I would have never thought that God would come to me the way he did and I believe he did so for a reason so here I am speaking for the soul with what God has revealed to me...

God had my Six and that is all that matters!!! For veterans out there when God has Your Six you know you’re coming home!

bekkilyn said:

Should I call Muslims Muslim Christians because they also acknowledge Jesus as a great teacher/prophet but not God?

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No, of course not. That ignores the unbridgeable gap in teachings between Islam and even heretical Christianity. And I said more tactful, not more honest. Sadly, you will find many, if not most church goers are Arian without even knowing what it means or what difference it makes. The Churches are not very good with language sometimes. And other ideas have seeped in to replace doctrine. Because a "son is a son, and not the father"...that is logic. But teaching the mystery of the Trinity properly might be beyond the Churches ability. But it is not a catastrophe. The Apostles were themselves baffled by the wonderful story that they took part in, and they despaired when Christ was taken away. But that wasn't the end of the story.

eucatastrophe said:

No, of course not. That ignores the unbridgeable gap in teachings between Islam and even heretical Christianity. And I said more tactful, not more honest. Sadly, you will find many, if not most church goers are Arian without even knowing what it means or what difference it makes. The Churches are not very good with language sometimes. And other ideas have seeped in to replace doctrine. Because a "son is a son, and not the father"...that is logic. But teaching the mystery of the Trinity properly might be beyond the Churches ability. But it is not a catastrophe. The Apostles were themselves baffled by the wonderful story that they took part in, and they despaired when Christ was taken away. But that wasn't the end of the story.

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Teaching the trinity is as easy as anything else as long as you and God are on the same page... it’s right there in the Bible and in the scrolls.. and if the churches would actually teach the Message then there would be no need to have discussions like this...

bekkilyn said:

Have you perfectly and flawlessly followed every commandment so that you remain free of even the slightest blemish or trace of sin? Do you claim to be without sin since conception? If not, then you have already failed and are already lost.

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no one can follow them perfectly and I never said I did so please don’t assume anything... God has my Six!