If we possess a soul or spirit that simply goes flying off to heaven at death

Kaon said:

You don't know that you are DEAD save your faith in the Word of God Himself? You sinned; your spirit and body must die. Or, even better, Adam sinned before he had children, so he only has children born of no spirit - that is what carnality is.

I would like to see where the Most High God said that we have a spirit right now. We don't; otherwise you wouldn't need a resurrection if your spirit is still alive, and operable.

You are dead, we are all DEAD - that is why The Redeemer offered LIFE (because we are DEAD,) and life abundantly (since none of us know what it means to be alive.)




That we have a spirit right now? I would be interested in seeing where the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself says this. We have an "ON LOAN" spiritual counselor that helps us in these days of evil, but our own spirit unique to us? Please show me.

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Sorry but we are not dead, you do not believe Ephesians 2?
To be made alive means to be spiritually alive now, not in some future time.

And you [did he make alive,] when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,

Resurrection refers to the BODY, not the spirit.

sdowney717 said:

Sorry but we are not dead, you do not believe Ephesians 2?
To be made alive means to be spiritually alive now, not in some future time.

And you [did he make alive,] when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,

Resurrection refers to the BODY, not the spirit.

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Ok.

sdowney717 said:

Ok, but what you wrote seems confusing to me.
Resurrection refers to the body. Spiritually alive means we have been born of God from above.
We are born again first in order to see-perceive the kingdom of God, so we don't get born again in heaven at the resurrection. And we are not resurrected until the last day.

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It is confusing being you are trying to interpret with your mind, who tells you that he can do it easily.....he tells you that the meanings are plain and simple therefore it is the only teacher you need.

If any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God who gives freely... When God gives you the truth, you are set free....and them whom He sets free are free indeed.

We are born again once....this is the last day....which must happen before you die. Once it happens, death wont come to you, and it will have no sting... "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

sdowney717 said:

we have eternal life now,

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Not literally though, unless you want to argue with Paul per the following.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Once the last trump sounds, then and only then will one literally possess eternal life. In the meantime we are still mortal. One can't literally be mortal and immortal at the same time. That is a contradiction.

Kaon said:

You don't know that you are DEAD save your faith in the Word of God Himself? You sinned; your spirit and body must die. Or, even better, Adam sinned before he had children, so he only has children born of no spirit - that is what carnality is.

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Your opinion...period. Mine is different. I quoted scripture you quoted nothing. Killing a spirit is like shooting Casper 'the ghost' ain't happening. No scripture proving it.

Statement of fact;
JAM 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead,

Statement of Jesus' resurrecting a dead girl;
LUK 8:54 But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise."
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once; and

Jesus died when his spirit left he THEN breathed his last. That's just the way it works biblically.

I would like to see where the Most High God said that we have a spirit right now. We don't; otherwise you wouldn't need a resurrection if your spirit is still alive, and operable.

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PRO 20:27 The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD, searching all his innermost parts.

1TH 5:23 May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

If you aren't a triparte being you are either brain dead or about to draw your last breath.

You are dead, we are all DEAD - that is why The Redeemer offered LIFE (because we are DEAD,) and life abundantly (since none of us know what it means to be alive.)

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DEAD as in 'DEAD MAN WALKING' yes! We are all under the curse of death and our bodies will die unless we totally quit sinning because; JAM 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.

That we have a spirit right now? I would be interested in seeing where the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself says this. We have an "ON LOAN" spiritual counselor that helps us in these days of evil, but our own spirit unique to us? Please show me.

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I've provided 2 such scriptures, one OT and one NT, now you provide ONE saying what you just said?

DavidPT said:

Not literally though, unless you want to argue with Paul per the following.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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JOH 17:3 And this IS eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

Are we really talking about a 'quantity of time in life' or a 'quality of life, in time' when a bible says "eternal life"?

Once the last trump sounds, then and only then will one literally possess eternal life. In the meantime we are still mortal. One can't literally be mortal and immortal at the same time. That is a contradiction.

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Paul is talking to CHRISTIANS in this 2nd chapter of Romans;

ROM 2:6 For he will render to every man according to his works: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;

What is your understanding of the difference between "immortality" and "eternal life" in this verse?

Hillsage said:

Your opinion...period. Mine is different. I quoted scripture you quoted nothing. Killing a spirit is like shooting Casper 'the ghost' ain't happening. No scripture proving it.

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And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28-29




There are at least two entities that can kill the essence of everything - indeed, those spirits that are dead will be eradicated into perpetuity by the One who can destroy the very essence of everything.

Statement of fact;
JAM 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead,

Statement of Jesus' resurrecting a dead girl;
LUK 8:54 But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise."
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once; and

Jesus died when his spirit left he THEN breathed his last. That's just the way it works biblically.

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Yes, she got an ON LOAN spirit from the Word of God Himself; the penuma is Christ's spirit - the Holy Spirit that descended on him already by this time, after doing absolutely everything including being baptized.

PRO 20:27 The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD, searching all his innermost parts.

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Solomon knew that the only spirit humans could have is the spirit of the Most High God. This was a matter-of-fact statement. We know humans are at enmity between the Most High God


So, of course if a man ever find a way to forego his carnality, and actually attempt to come to the Most High God, it is because He is working His Spirit within them. It isn't because they have their own convicting spirit that would inform them of this, but can't keep them from sin on its own.

1TH 5:23 May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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If you aren't a triparte being you are either brain dead or about to draw your last breath.

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Your ON LOAN spirit - from the Holy Spirit; from the Word of God Himself.

DEAD as in 'DEAD MAN WALKING' yes! We are all under the curse of death and our bodies will die unless we totally quit sinning because; JAM 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.

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Even if we stop sinning now it is too late without the Redeemer: breaking one Universal Law of the Most High God is an automatic death sentence. That means your spirit and flesh.

I've provided 2 such scriptures, one OT and one NT, now you provide ONE saying what you just said?

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If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Colossians 3:1-4


And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6


For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17

And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Genesis 3:7

I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow. And the hair of His head like pure wool His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. Daniel 7:9




We are dead - but we have comfort in knowing that we have an ON LOAN spirit from the Word of God Himself to sustain us and convict us to be upright until we die, and are judged.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Hebrews 9:27-28


After judgment, we can either be fully restored to our with a unique spirit from The Most High God Himself, or we will be sent to perpetual destruction (all of your essence.)

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

Technically, "no spirit has died yet" in our proximity of human thought, but everything that will happen has already happened. So, those of us who will LIVE have already been given (or, will be given) the ON LOAN spirit of the Word of God in order to become refined when we get to perfection. That is why it is a paradoxical gift - the faith and the ability to find the Most High God. We are experiencing the preview of our gift we already have because we have the Holy Spirit in us.

Kaon said:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28-29

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Spirit is missing because you can't kill one. Soul and body yes!, scripture confirms those two, but not the spirit.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:11-14​

There are at least two entities that can kill the essence of everything - indeed, those spirits that are dead will be eradicated into perpetuity by the One who can destroy the very essence of everything.

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These verses prove nothing concerning a spirit. Spirit isn't even written anywhere, you just insert it based upon your pretextual doctrinal opinion.

Yes, she got an ON LOAN spirit from the Word of God Himself; the penuma is Christ's spirit - the Holy Spirit that descended on him already by this time, after doing absolutely everything including being baptized.

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The point is, she had a human spirit which she was born with. And 'that human spirit' came from "the father of spirits" of which "the God of the spirits of all flesh". And it was not the Christ spirit in her because that wasn't even available until after Jesus died making the 'born again' spirit salvation available to man.

Solomon knew that the only spirit humans could have is the spirit of the Most High God. This was a matter-of-fact statement. We know humans are at enmity between the Most High God

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Don't just quote your doctrinal position as if that's proof. Show me a scripture saying "spirit of the most high" please. Because I can't find one, but the rest of your points falls anyway.
And enmity is with the flesh and not the human spirit. Because the sinful nature is in the flesh.

EPH 2:15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

ROM 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

Again, nothing about the spirit.

The carnal mind is not the spirit of a man, it is the soul of man which is being led by the sinful FLESH (carne/meat) nature of man. The spiritually minded man is the 'born again' man. A man who is capable of being a 'spiritually minded' man, which is life, and not a 'carnally minded' man which is death.

So, of course if a man ever find a way to forego his carnality, and actually attempt to come to the Most High God, it is because He is working His Spirit within them. It isn't because they have their own convicting spirit that would inform them of this, but can't keep them from sin on its own.

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Study the Greek and you'll find that the Greek word OF doesn't mean 'the Spirit....of God', it means 'the spirit FROM/of.....God'. The word is a preposition denoting the direction from which your spirit came.

You no more received 'the Spirit'...of/tov God, than you received 'the Father' by receiving the "baptism of the/tov Father". That's just a 'correct grammar' understanding.

Your ON LOAN spirit - from the Holy Spirit; from the Word of God Himself.

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And still no verse, just your opinion. Of course God is the God of all spirits. And of course he is the "Father of all spirits"....that's scriptural. Your 'on loan' position is really just irrelevant anyway.

Not bothering with the rest of the tooooo loooong post. Please shorten your posts, because; if your pretext is wrong then your context is wrong and you are just being redundantly repetitive. Build on a solid foundation. Something I'm still not seeing in your POV.

hahaha , a good laugh from the title ! thank you !

I reckon you already know, there is no dis-embodied soul floating anywhere anytime in Scripture, so those with a tradition of some such have gathered it from other religions (like greek mythology), which, yes, has happened to millions of people deceived by those very things and they have a lot of support in their errors, so they won't find it easy to give up.

ClementofA said:

If we possess a soul or spirit that simply goes flying off to heaven at death, then what is the purpose of the resurrection? Would we not be perfectly happy to live in heaven forever as disembodied spirits?

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Hillsage said:

Spirit is missing because you can't kill one. Soul and body yes!, scripture confirms those two, but not the spirit.



These verses prove nothing concerning a spirit. Spirit isn't even written anywhere, you just insert it based upon your pretextual doctrinal opinion.


The point is, she had a human spirit which she was born with. And 'that human spirit' came from "the father of spirits" of which "the God of the spirits of all flesh". And it was not the Christ spirit in her because that wasn't even available until after Jesus died making the 'born again' spirit salvation available to man.

Don't just quote your doctrinal position as if that's proof. Show me a scripture saying "spirit of the most high" please. Because I can't find one, but the rest of your points falls anyway.

And enmity is with the flesh and not the human spirit. Because the sinful nature is in the flesh.

EPH 2:15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

ROM 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

Again, nothing about the spirit.

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The carnal mind is not the spirit of a man, it is the soul of man which is being led by the sinful FLESH (carne/meat) nature of man. The spiritually minded man is the 'born again' man. A man who is capable of being a 'spiritually minded' man, which is life, and not a 'carnally minded' man which is death.


Study the Greek and you'll find that the Greek word OF doesn't mean 'the Spirit....of God', it means 'the spirit FROM/of.....God'. The word is a preposition denoting the direction from which your spirit came.

You no more received 'the Spirit'...of/tov God, than you received 'the Father' by receiving the "baptism of the/tov Father". That's just a 'correct grammar' understanding.


And still no verse, just your opinion. Of course God is the God of all spirits. And of course he is the "Father of all spirits"....that's scriptural. Your 'on loan' position is really just irrelevant anyway.

Not bothering with the rest of the tooooo loooong post. Please shorten your posts, because; if your pretext is wrong then your context is wrong and you are just being redundantly repetitive. Build on a solid foundation. Something I'm still not seeing in your POV.

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Ok.

I think it’s interesting to point out that Jesus didn’t go straight to the Father until after He resurrected , but He did say to the thief on the cross ,” today you shall with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43)

Does that indicate that Paradise and Heaven are two different places? Did Jesus confirm such place exist when He talked to the thief on the cross? Where souls rest before His second coming?And if Jesus didn’t go to Heaven to His Father yet, where was his spirit during those three days?

salt-n-light said:

I think it’s interesting to point out that Jesus didn’t go straight to the Father until after He resurrected , but He did say to the thief on the cross ,” today you shall with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43)

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Jesus, like us was a spirit, soul and body. "Made like unto his brethren in every respect". His spirit did go straight to the Father from the cross. His body went to the tomb for 3 days. Just guessing, but would his soul be that which spent three days with the converted thief? I say converted, because Jesus had not yet died making the 're birth' even possible. But Jesus did die before the thief.....SOOOOO???? I don't know.

Does that indicate that Paradise and Heaven are two different places? Did Jesus confirm such place exist when He talked to the thief on the cross? Where souls rest before His second coming?And if Jesus didn’t go to Heaven to His Father yet, where was his spirit during those three days?

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His spirit went and preached to 'the spirits' of those men who disobeyed in the days of Noah while eight were saved.

1PE 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

DavidPT said:

This passage is nonsensical if one goes to heaven upon death. They would already be reunited with Jesus if that were the case.

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An earthly body upon death is within God's altar, his soul repository, until the Day of Judgement.

Their souls are redeemed from amongst men, are now in Christ's barn/safe within his altar (soul repository). Yet they are not clothed until the books are opened on the Day of Judgement and the verdict to award their Crown of Life is finally realised, where now they can experience the Lord in person and to see him as he is, because they too would have put on the garments of the Heavenly man, as the last Adams (1 John 3:2). Until then, they will be in his possession, but not interact or to experience him.

DavidPT said:

After all, isn't that where Jesus is currently dwelling, in heaven?

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Yes, albeit with the resurrection garments of the Lord of Heaven.

DavidPT said:

And what you have underlined, does not that undeniably prove no one goes to heaven upon death?

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The soul is immaterial and exists outside of the material realm, within God's soul repository, his altar.

Revelation 6:9
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

Our biomechanical earthly dirt bodies are our Avatar for the soul. Out soul is like a user account given privileges by the system administrator who is God. The user account is not the memory of the computer, it is not the CPU. Our soul is not our body, is not our brain, is not our emotions or experiences.

Our souls are never on earth to begin with, Just like the user having the user account is not in the computer. Our souls are within the ethereal realm of God, his altar (soul repository).

DavidPT said:

When one dies, and assuming one goes to heaven at that point, does that equal that one coming to Jesus, or does it equal what you have underlined above?

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The soul doesn't go anywhere. The soul is in the ether of God (Creation system administrator). God only has access to the soul, just like system administrator can revoke access to a user or even delete a user account.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

DavidPT said:

Obviously it would equal the former, therefore contradicting the latter if the former is also true.

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Read above.

DavidPT said:

If our eternal destiny is to dwell on the earth forever in the NJ, why would some get a taste of heaven when they die to then have to live on the earth forever instead, meaning as of the resurrection?

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After the earthly Avatar dies, the soul is naked within the soul repository of God. Hence Paul and Jesus highlight the necessity of it being clothed. Paul calls the heavenly Avatar, the Lord from Heaven.

DavidPT said:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Read above. It will clear it up.

DavidPT said:

And what about these? Unless one believes in a Pretrib rapture, these still alive when Jesus comes never get to live in heaven temporarily, if the only way to temporarily live in heaven is to physically die first.

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This is not true, the earthly Avatar dies here on earth. Just like a user account of a user is deleted on the single user licence on a local computer. The soul is a single user licence privilege, that is uniquely married to the biomechanical avatar at conception. All people are destined to die once then judgement.

For those who think we do not have a spirit when born of God, consider this.
If you have no spirit, you can not worship God.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

You must be born again to enter the kingdom and worship the Father.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

We are made alive with a new spirit and that spirit and the Holy Spirit are in fellowship.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Mary has her spirit
Luke 1:47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

Little dead girl, her spirit returned to the body and she lived again
Luke 8:54-56 New King James Version (NKJV)
54 But He put them all outside, took her by the hand and called, saying, “Little girl, arise.”
55 Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately. And He commanded that she be given something to eat.
56 And her parents were astonished, but He charged them to tell no one what had happened.

This man, his spirit was in him and fervent about the Lord.
Acts 18:25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John.

Paul served the Lord in his spirit, so Paul had a spirit when running around the earth.
Romans 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers,

Man has a spirit
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:20
For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Woman has a spirit
1 Corinthians 7:34
There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.

Your spirit prays and sings to God
1 Corinthians 14:14
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1 Corinthians 14:15
What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.
Galatians 6:18
Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

Ephesians 4:23
and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
Philemon 1:25
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
1 Peter 3:4
rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.

DavidPT said:

Not literally though, unless you want to argue with Paul per the following.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Once the last trump sounds, then and only then will one literally possess eternal life. In the meantime we are still mortal. One can't literally be mortal and immortal at the same time. That is a contradiction.

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Paul is referring to the ressurection of the body there, not the spirit.

1 Corinthians 15, the entire chapter is talking about the resurrection, which means the body raised up.


35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind [f]of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

40 There are also [g]celestial bodies and [h]terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is [j]the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the [k]man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[l] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Our Final Victory
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

salt-n-light said:

Are you sure that verse is referring to the actual day of Judgement?

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There’s only one judgement.

ClementofA said:

If we possess a soul or spirit that simply goes flying off to heaven at death, then what is the purpose of the resurrection? Would we not be perfectly happy to live in heaven forever as disembodied spirits?

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The Dead sleep in the Grave, not until the first or second resurrection do they ascend into heaven. No man has ascended into heaven except for Christ.