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Btw there is no need to hasten the day of the Lord imo because we already have 666 sitting in the temple. Back to my vayka. Peace on earth good will to man. ya whatever. ban me.
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Hey, I respect that! .. don't be afraid to share an idea if you think it might be useful
"As ointment and perfume gladden the heart, so the sweetness of one's friend comes from his sincere counsel" - Proverbs 27:9
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I think if you are going to disagree with someone, you have an obligation to engage with them. Without an idea to respond to, negative posts are goads that leave the poster with nothing tangible to respond to.
Usually when I get a winner comment I do make a point to go back and reread the post. A lot of the times, I am very pleased with the idea expressed and agree that I nailed it on that particular instance.
At other times, I know the post was only average and it was more of a tribal 'hurrah for our side' sort of rating. No harm done either way at any rate.
But there is a good reason that negative ratings are not available. People inevitably do have strong disagreements, and the best possible outcome for those disagreements is to hash it out with presenting the disagreement in terms of arguments and ideals. Overbearing or not, it focuses the discussion on the ideas, and not on getting a dig in at somebody whose ideas you do not like. That is a whole can of worms being opened if that option becomes available.
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This is not necessarily true. There have been instances in the Exploring Christianity section, where doctrinal differences are being presented to a seeker, where experienced Christians can see that they are doctrinal differences, but a seeker wouldn't be able to see it. The seeker would be a little bit confused though, that person A said this while person B said that, and yet they are of an idea that because they both have the identity of being "Christian" that they are both teaching Christian doctrine. It's further made difficult because both Christians do share some common doctrine, so it can be a useful indicator for the OP to see that there is a difference between what is being said, and that equips them to prod their curiosity and to make sense of it - else what ends up happening is that they find it is too confusing and they just give up (plus there's a lot of that flesh nature going on over there, because the wolves are starving for fresh meat in these days of desolation, that often the seeker doesn't get to even see that there is a sliver of hope before they turn to flee the viper's den).
BTW, I have been pressing hard for the button to be an extra honeypot for those types, to encourage them to fall and become reported to moderators so we can purge the evil from our midst (consider post #102).
That shouldn't be happening from Christians, it is the flesh - favouritism "I am of Paul", "I am of Apollos" etc. To remove the tares would provide greater presence of wheat, that would produce the fruits that The Father seeks:
“And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah,
Judge, please, between Me and My vineyard.
4 What more could have been done to My vineyard
That I have not done in it?
Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes,
Did it bring forth wild grapes?
5 And now, please let Me tell you what I will do to My vineyard:
I will take away its hedge, and it shall be burned;
And break down its wall, and it shall be trampled down.
6 I will lay it waste;
It shall not be pruned or dug,
But there shall come up briers and thorns.
I will also command the clouds
That they rain no rain on it.”
7 For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel,
And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant.
He looked for justice, but behold, oppression;
For righteousness, but behold, a cry for help.
Yep, we agree about this! .. still, in that particular forum it is not allowed (nor is it appropriate), and where I have said that I have had a valid desire for it in places fit for discussion, it is only when I have presented my case sufficiently and I am to exit gracefully, that I might use it to indicate that (#19). I acknowledge that if it were to be used the way you imagine it being used, it would be liable for reporting (which I have said should actually not be a bad thing: Proverbs 19:25).
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A facepalm icon would be a hurtful thing to use. It means that someone is exasperated by the posters foolishness. It is not patient, it is not kind, it is not humble, it is not self control. It would be abused.
It is much better to reply with words. One can disagree with someone for many reasons and often the person who disagrees is wrong, they just don't know it yet.
It is prideful to react with a facepalm. It means that the can't handle the person can't handle someones stupidity. It actually hurts me when I see it in comments section (not directed at me) on the internet. Same as when I see people say 'smh' . It hurts me because I see how uncaring these folk are and how blinded.
However, I am sure of for better things for you OP. When you say you can do it with grace, I imagine that you smile kindly and lovingly at the person and laugh with them, even cry with them. I am sure that in real life you are not offending people but loving them. These people can see that. However, on the internet we don't have all the other clues to know. People who just have to rely on the more common usage and feel belittled instead.
It is much better to reply with words. One can disagree with someone for many reasons and often the person who disagrees is wrong, they just don't know it yet.
It is prideful to react with a facepalm. It means that the can't handle the person can't handle someones stupidity. It actually hurts me when I see it in comments section (not directed at me) on the internet. Same as when I see people say 'smh' . It hurts me because I see how uncaring these folk are and how blinded.
However, I am sure of for better things for you OP. When you say you can do it with grace, I imagine that you smile kindly and lovingly at the person and laugh with them, even cry with them. I am sure that in real life you are not offending people but loving them. These people can see that. However, on the internet we don't have all the other clues to know. People who just have to rely on the more common usage and feel belittled instead.
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Spot on, sister! That's what it all comes down to, is culture.
I think it should be positive for the culture (if managed well, and after a bit of initial teething issues where culture adapts), but once the community learns to use it responsibly and that they know they can't weasel-word their way around the fact of their poor behaviour, the whole community would gain the benefit of increased self-control (which is a fruit of the spirit). Plus the aforementioned increase in vocabulary, which definitely has valid use cases and solves certain problems.
I do think the expression "facepalm" has more negative connotation by nature than I should be receiving for my purpose.. just I don't know an alternative word that describes "putting your head in your hands" (see the picture in the OP).
When I do this in real life, I do the cross motion with my right hand as the Orthodox do, saying "Oh my Lord!".
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https://www.christianforums.com/threads/in-this-maze-you-can-lose-your-way.8075059/#post-72994614
I want to show that I disagree with this but without provoking a response - how should I do it?
Maybe a simple "disagree" or "you may have that" button would suffice.. I concede that the facepalm or EO Cross buttons would not serve but to provoke (which possibly would be good anyway, to encourage more responsible speech: Matthew 12:36-37).
I want to show that I disagree with this but without provoking a response - how should I do it?
Maybe a simple "disagree" or "you may have that" button would suffice.. I concede that the facepalm or EO Cross buttons would not serve but to provoke (which possibly would be good anyway, to encourage more responsible speech: Matthew 12:36-37).
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But I don't understand what you are saying by posting the lyrics. The video isn't about the reply? I can't listen to it from my country. Or is it? Has the person posted on the wrong thread or misunderstood uour intention. I would be asking for clarification rather than objection. What does the person mean?
Are they infact an insightful person who recognises that most of our problems with other people is actually coming from ourselves. Do they realise that prayer changes us? So often it is when praying for others I realise I need that prayer to or I wouldn't have noticed it in them. At this point all you have is a statement to object to but not the reasoning behind it. The statement doesn't seem to match the topic of the thread that it was posted in.
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It is clear they are just being contentious, and I don't even want to bother speaking to people if they're going to be like that. But it's a statement that I do not wish others to think that I am permitting. I am lacking a critical piece of equipment.
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I see the problem in this case a bit better now. I see it is flesh - contentiousness. If that person had wanted me to learn something new, they would have explained it to me, made a proper case of it with scriptural support (because of X and Y, then Z sort of thing). But this person clearly has known that if I wish to disagree, then I will need to write a response, and that would give them an opportunity to begin a dissension. He's obviously here to bite and devour (I call them wolves in sheep's clothing, Jude calls them hidden rocky reefs in our love fest, shamelessly feasting with us but tending only to themselves).
So it's demonic. What is happening is that the demonic activity on the website this week has increased intensity and people who are not aware of their lack of self-control are letting their carnal passions go wild.
This person would not have been tempted to do this if they had known I would simply respond with a "disagree" rating. That's actually a really good case in point. If I could rate my own posts, I would make this one a winner!
So it's demonic. What is happening is that the demonic activity on the website this week has increased intensity and people who are not aware of their lack of self-control are letting their carnal passions go wild.
This person would not have been tempted to do this if they had known I would simply respond with a "disagree" rating. That's actually a really good case in point. If I could rate my own posts, I would make this one a winner!
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It has come to my attention that the ones who do not really understand demonology might be provoked to misunderstand what I am saying here, by suggesting that a Christian who is exhibiting demonic behaviour is somehow less of a Christian.
Quite on point to what has already been said about jumping the gun and reading our own meanings into things, there's a lot of wacky ideas about demonology out there.. all having been taught by the demons themselves (Luke 11:19-20).
I simply mean that a demon is a spiritual adversary that knows how to tempt us according to the passions of the flesh, so that we act contrary to the nature of love. It is a fact of life that we are tempted in this way, sometimes being made to stumble (eg: James 1:13, 1 Kings 22:20-22, Daniel 11:35, James 3:2, Revelation 3:21).
.. But that's a whole other topic that I'm still waiting for advice on where the best place is to discuss it (see this post).
So: do not be offended that I have said it, because being informed that one's behaviour is demonic is not a thing that should be considered offensive, but if it is ever said, then it can only be said with loving concern or of a demonic passion in and of itself.
We all have this responsibility to each other, by the way, to drive the demons out of our midst.
"Therefore present yourselves a living sacrifice, blameless and acceptable to God".
Quite on point to what has already been said about jumping the gun and reading our own meanings into things, there's a lot of wacky ideas about demonology out there.. all having been taught by the demons themselves (Luke 11:19-20).
I simply mean that a demon is a spiritual adversary that knows how to tempt us according to the passions of the flesh, so that we act contrary to the nature of love. It is a fact of life that we are tempted in this way, sometimes being made to stumble (eg: James 1:13, 1 Kings 22:20-22, Daniel 11:35, James 3:2, Revelation 3:21).
.. But that's a whole other topic that I'm still waiting for advice on where the best place is to discuss it (see this post).
So: do not be offended that I have said it, because being informed that one's behaviour is demonic is not a thing that should be considered offensive, but if it is ever said, then it can only be said with loving concern or of a demonic passion in and of itself.
We all have this responsibility to each other, by the way, to drive the demons out of our midst.
"Therefore present yourselves a living sacrifice, blameless and acceptable to God".
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Thanks for that! ... Facepalm has become a bit narrow now, a plain "disagree" rating would be more useful in general.
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As long as we aren't defining demonic activity as 'people who disagree with us' and self-rating our own posts as winners. That might be cause for the prayer icon 
If someone is just trolling though, or seems to have lost the capacity for self reflection and truth I just put them on Ignore. Works really well. You could always post the words "Disagreed and Ignored" as your final word on the matter (I generally don't bother to do this). It's a little harder than clicking a ratings link, but it does end discussion permanently and would let others know your stance on the matter.
We really only have control over our own actions and words and spiritual condition, not those of others, so our attention is best focused there.
If someone is just trolling though, or seems to have lost the capacity for self reflection and truth I just put them on Ignore. Works really well. You could always post the words "Disagreed and Ignored" as your final word on the matter (I generally don't bother to do this). It's a little harder than clicking a ratings link, but it does end discussion permanently and would let others know your stance on the matter.
We really only have control over our own actions and words and spiritual condition, not those of others, so our attention is best focused there.
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CF certainly isn't running its' forums like the majority of forums such as Reddit. Personally I think the decision not to use a disagree icon is wise because it mostly stops this forum from acting like the world with its' politics. Basically you're gonna get icon wars and accentuate divisions among all people.I have noticed this week that there is a new level of absurdity creeping amongst us. While it has somewhat of an advantage that it makes the wolves who wear sheep's clothing more obvious, thereby more of a rift between the vessels for glory and the vessels for destruction, I am concerned that the consequences of being so absurd can produce severe depravity .. and ultimately there are children in this world who suffer as a result.
I have noticed that the voting emoticons, where we can rate a comment with an expression as "like", "prayers", "agree", "winner", "friendly" etc, there is nothing there that can really express disapproval. I have seen people use the "prayers" icon for that purpose, and I have noticed the temptation to use it for that purpose myself, but it really does not assist a person to be Christian if they are tempted to do that because it is dishonest and it is irreverent toward God.
I feel like suggesting a new icon to express disapproval in a spirit of concern, so to serve all members with a reminder to be responsible about what they say: "foolish talking and crude jokes are out of place" - Ephesians 5:4.
I'm not saying the icon system CF has is perfect either but I believe the principle in 1 Corinthians 1:10 should be placed ahead of Ephesians 5:4.
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I have noticed this week that there is a new level of absurdity creeping amongst us. While it has somewhat of an advantage that it makes the wolves who wear sheep's clothing more obvious, thereby more of a rift between the vessels for glory and the vessels for destruction, I am concerned that the consequences of being so absurd can produce severe depravity .. and ultimately there are children in this world who suffer as a result.
I have noticed that the voting emoticons, where we can rate a comment with an expression as "like", "prayers", "agree", "winner", "friendly" etc, there is nothing there that can really express disapproval. I have seen people use the "prayers" icon for that purpose, and I have noticed the temptation to use it for that purpose myself, but it really does not assist a person to be Christian if they are tempted to do that because it is dishonest and it is irreverent toward God.
I feel like suggesting a new icon to express disapproval in a spirit of concern, so to serve all members with a reminder to be responsible about what they say: "foolish talking and crude jokes are out of place" - Ephesians 5:4.
If we break it down, our expressions of disapproval can often make us as guilty of crude behaviour as those we object to. I tend to think of disagreements as an opportunity to calmly register that disapproval, not exacerbate it. Opinions always vary even among the most devout individuals, and to suggest that selecting the 'prayer icon' is irreverent towards God is ridiculous. Have you even thought that it can be selected indicating seeking guidance, rather than the negative purpose you give it?
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