Israel’s Restoration?

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Many think God’s restoration of Israel happens 7 years after the rapture in a 1000 year long millennium. But this has several difficulties. One, nobody but the Father knows the time for Israel’s restoration.

“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.” (Acts 1:6–7)

The single event which none but the Father knows the time of is the resurrection on the last day. And if we consider believers in Christ as biblical Israel, the resurrection speaks of Israel’s restoration into the New Heavens and earth.

Acts also places this on the last day.

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:19–21)

And making sure this refers to the last day and end of the world, Matthew says;

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:35–36)

So while many look for a physical 1000 yearlong kingdom in this evil world, God’s restoration of Israel speaks of the new heavens and earth coming about on the last day when as Peter says;

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” (2 Peter 3:10–13)
 

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The book of Revelations is a very symbolic book. Thus, I personally do not believe that a physical kingdom would be established for a millenium. It is also important to note what the number 1000 in the scriptures mean. I also note verses Matthew 12:28 or Luke 11:20. That would make me a postmillenialist I guess. I could be wrong though.
 
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The book of Revelations is a very symbolic book. Thus, I personally do not believe that a physical kingdom would be established for a millenium. It is also important to note what the number 1000 in the scriptures mean. I also note verses Matthew 12:28 or Luke 11:20. That would make me a postmillenialist I guess. I could be wrong though.
I think you are more of an Amillennialist which I believe is closest to the bible.
 
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I think you are more of an Amillennialist which I believe is closest to the bible.
Amillennialists reject the notion that Christ will reign on earth for a thousand years, let the devil out of bondage to raise hell for awhile, then come back to judge the quick and the dead.

I myself do not find it logical that God would gain victory over the powers of evil for a thousand years; only to have them back again for a time before God establishes the new heavens and earth.

Eusebius wrote Ecclesiastical History c. 324 AD. He included the testimony of certain leaders of churches in Egypt that the Book of Revelation was a forgery. It is like the Book of Mormon.
 
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I have a novel idea: Why not just believe the text of Revelation as written? Do you imagine it is NOT the word of God, or God breathed as is the rest of scripture?
Now that's the trick. Why so many different views held by those who trust Revelation's integrity?
 
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I have a novel idea: Why not just believe the text of Revelation as written? Do you imagine it is NOT the word of God, or God breathed as is the rest of scripture?
I do not believe the Bible is without error. There are many variations in the text. I believe God inspired parts of the Bible, but not the entire Bible.

If you believed the Bible is inerrant, would you tithe to a Levite, stone an adulteress for her adultery, stone someone for picking up sticks on Saturday as Moses commanded, or offer bulls as a sacrifice for your sin? If you do not believe the entire Bible is the word of God, then you have to choose what parts you like and what parts you cannot trust.

If you think the devil will be chained in a pit for a thousand years, that is your opinion. I know the Greek Orthodox do not use Revelation in their liturgy. Can you figure that out? Why would they not use it in their worship services?

You may worship the Book of Revelation. I may not.
 
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Many think God’s restoration of Israel happens 7 years after the rapture in a 1000 year long millennium. But this has several difficulties. One, nobody but the Father knows the time for Israel’s restoration.
The primary issue to resolve is: Who is the true, actual Israel of God today? Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:16 make it clear that we faithful Christians are God's holy people.

Redemption and then restoration of the Israelites of God;
Isaiah 41:1 - Keep silent before Me you coasts and islands, let the peoples renew their strength. Let them draw near, let them speak up, then: together we shall go to the place of judgement. Isaiah 49:1-6

Five steps are mentioned here by the prophet; keep silent – When ancient Israel migrated from their captivity in Assyria, they remained hidden until they regained their strength. Then, let them come near : awaken to the true gospel, evangelism from John Wycliffe to Billy Graham, etc.
Let them speak : proclaim the good news around the world, our missionary activity.
Still to come is ‘Let us meet in the place of judgement’ Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 41:8-9. God will soon call His people back to the Land, all the faithful Christians from every nation; Jews and Gentiles, where the administration of His commandments and ordinance’s will be restored. Ezekiel 36:27, Ezekiel 44:23-24
Deuteronomy 4:27, Jeremiah 3:8 The original chosen people were divorced from God and sent into exile for their sins. This is for a decreed period only. Ezekiel 4:4-6 The House of Israel remains in exile, while the House of Judah have gone back to the holy Land, but in apostasy.

Then God gave Ezekiel a vision of a valley full of dry bones;
Ezekiel 37:11 These bones represent the whole house of Israel [now; every Christian believer] They say: our hope is gone, we are cut off. [from Gods Spirit] Jeremiah 50:6
Ezekiel 37:9-10 The Lord God says: let the winds [Gods Spirit] come and breath into the slain [dead to the Spirit] that they might live. They came to life and stood up: a mighty company! [of born again Christians] Romans 9:24-26
Ezekiel 37:12-13 I will bring you up from your graves [our present condition] and restore you to the Land of Israel. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Jeremiah 50:4-5

Through Isaiah, God gives a message to Israel, identifying them as a people who have lost the knowledge of their origin and forgotten their ancestors. Isaiah 49:21

Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen to Me, all you who know the Law [the common Judeo-Christian Law of our countries] You who seek the Lord [Christian peoples] consider your origin, where you came from- Abraham and Sarah are your parents. I blessed them and now you are their offspring. Romans 8:14, Ephesians 2:11-18
God is looking forward to the day when the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus is completed. Isaiah 50 & 51, Colossians 1:11-12 In His sacrifice all who believe in Him are redeemed and salvation is available to all who accept Him, repent and acknowledge His Atonement for their sins.

In Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34 & 36, Jeremiah 30 & 31, Isaiah 35 & 66, and others, the prophets tell the story of how the Lord’s righteous people; faithful Christians are gathered, redeemed and settled into the Promised Land.

The great national awakening of all Israelites, natural and grafted in, is symbolically represented as life from the dead, for through the Resurrection of Jesus, God demonstrated His power and is enabled to do this: Ezekiel 37:14 I shall put My spirit into you and you will live. [a true Godly life] Thus you will know that I, the Lord has acted and spoken. Isaiah 44:1-3

And in Ezekiel 37:26-28 I shall make an everlasting covenant with Israel. [The New Covenant, 2 Corinthians 3:6] My sanctuary will be in their midst, I will be their God and they will be My people. Revelation 7:9
The Glory of God will be present in the new Temple, built by His faithful people from far away; Zechariah 6:15, as in ancient times. Ezekiel 43:2 The Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign will come after all that is prophesied to occur before that glorious Day, has taken place. Proved by how it is by the Lord’s great actions, that it is known He has helped them.
 
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John was very blessed to have received the revelation of Jesus Christ.Its possible no other apostle knew and understood the things revealed to John.
John would have understood there were two resurrections because he recieved the revelation.How many others would have known this without the revelation of Jesus Christ being given to them?


http://biblehub.com/revelation/22-7.htm
 
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Many think God’s restoration of Israel happens 7 years after the rapture in a 1000 year long millennium. But this has several difficulties. One, nobody but the Father knows the time for Israel’s restoration.

“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.” (Acts 1:6–7)
No-one is told ahead of time the specific years. But we are given the parable of the fig tree, to conclude that it will be not later than the end of 2037.

The process though to restore the kingdom to Israel, has already begun in May 14, 1948. And the fig tree Jerusalem in 1967.

There is not a lot of time left. Between now and the end of 2037, the little horn person will come to power. And from there a short time to Gog/Magog. Right after which the 7 years begin - before the end of 2037 at the latest.
 
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Now that's the trick. Why so many different views held by those who trust Revelation's integrity?
One reason is that so many imagine they must rearrange Revelation to fit a theory - rather than creating a theory that fits Revelation as written!

Another reason is that many find no problem pulling a verse out of its context.
 
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No-one is told ahead of time the specific years. But we are given the parable of the fig tree, to conclude that it will be not later than the end of 2037.

The process though to restore the kingdom to Israel, has already begun in May 14, 1948. And the fig tree Jerusalem in 1967.

There is not a lot of time left. Between now and the end of 2037, the little horn person will come to power. And from there a short time to Gog/Magog. Right after which the 7 years begin - before the end of 2037 at the latest.
It might all begin at the feast of trumpets THIS YEAR. It is 70 years since 1948!
 
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No-one is told ahead of time the specific years. But we are given the parable of the fig tree, to conclude that it will be not later than the end of 2037.

The process though to restore the kingdom to Israel, has already begun in May 14, 1948. And the fig tree Jerusalem in 1967.

There is not a lot of time left. Between now and the end of 2037, the little horn person will come to power. And from there a short time to Gog/Magog. Right after which the 7 years begin - before the end of 2037 at the latest.
The problem with all of this is the only biblical Israel is Christ and Christendom. Today's State of Israel are gentiles by default since Christ abolished circumcision on the cross.
 
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The problem with all of this is the only biblical Israel is Christ and Christendom. Today's State of Israel are gentiles by default since Christ abolished circumcision on the cross.
Many Jews themselves, like counter missionary Tovia Singer, recognize that there is a split among Christians. That some believe the church has become Israel. And that others do not.
 
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Many Jews themselves, like counter missionary Tovia Singer, recognize that there is a split among Christians. That some believe the church has become Israel. And that others do not.
In the NT Jesus is Israel along with those united to him by faith. There is no other biblical Israel. Today's Jews exist because they hate Christ and rejected him when the rest of the Jews remained Israel by accepting him. And if you do not follow Christ, you follow Satan by default.

Think of it this way, In Romans 11 the only way to become reattached is through faith in Christ. This also confirms that Jesus and believers are Israel.
 
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The problem with all of this is the only biblical Israel is Christ and Christendom. Today's State of Israel are gentiles by default since Christ abolished circumcision on the cross.
Do you imagine another Israel will come to exist in a different part of the world?
 
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Do you imagine another Israel will come to exist in a different part of the world?

Some of us cannot tell the difference between the Baal worshippers and the faithful remnant in Romans 11:1-5.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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In the NT Jesus is Israel along with those united to him by faith. There is no other biblical Israel. Today's Jews exist because they hate Christ and rejected him when the rest of the Jews remained Israel by accepting him. And if you do not follow Christ, you follow Satan by default.

Think of it this way, In Romans 11 the only way to become reattached is through faith in Christ. This also confirms that Jesus and believers are Israel.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Controversial-Jewish-nation-state-bill-passes-into-law-562898

You are operating in a dream world Dave. Bible prophecy is taking place and you are in denial.
 
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Some of us cannot tell the difference between the Baal worshippers and the faithful remnant in Romans 11:1-5.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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Failed replacement theology. Trying to explain away reality of fufilled bible prophecy. That's what you are preaching, BaB2.
 
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