Heads with which they inflict injury

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Heads with which they inflict injury.


Revelation 9:17-19
17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.
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This is the interpretation:
The colors red, yellow, and blue are military designations. The horses are tanks, and the tails are trailers carrying mini nukes.

Nuclear warhead definition: A warhead containing a fission or fusion bomb.

Mini nuclear bombs: A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon is a nuclear weapon, generally smaller in its explosive power, which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations, mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory.

A neutron bomb: Officially defined as a type of enhanced radiation weapon (ERW), is a low yield thermonuclear weapon designed to maximize lethal neutron radiation in the immediate vicinity of the blast while minimizing the physical power of the blast itself.
 

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Heads with which they inflict injury.


Revelation 9:17-19
17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.
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This is the interpretation:
The colors red, yellow, and blue are military designations. The horses are tanks, and the tails are trailers carrying mini nukes.

Nuclear warhead definition: A warhead containing a fission or fusion bomb.

Mini nuclear bombs: A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon is a nuclear weapon, generally smaller in its explosive power, which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations, mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory.

A neutron bomb: Officially defined as a type of enhanced radiation weapon (ERW), is a low yield thermonuclear weapon designed to maximize lethal neutron radiation in the immediate vicinity of the blast while minimizing the physical power of the blast itself.

How do you know it doesn't simply represent the invention of the cannon and the attending use of gun powder in the hands of some empire? Or maybe it just represents the military might and power of an entire people group who detests "the worshiping of demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk...murders, magic arts, sexual immorality or thefts"?
 
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How do you know it doesn't simply represent the invention of the cannon and the attending use of gun powder in the hands of some empire? Or maybe it just represents the military might and power of an entire people group who detests "the worshiping of demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk...murders, magic arts, sexual immorality or thefts"?

That's the wonderful thing about old, translated texts that are so far removed from modernity. They can mean anything you want them to.
 
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That's the wonderful thing about old, translated texts that are so far removed from modernity. They can mean anything you want them to.

Not exactly. They can't be made to mean something that would be completely foreign to a Jewish (ancient Jewish) mind. In the case of the Bible, it might also mean that lazy American Christians (or some Europeans, too) aren't quite "getting it" when they try to interpret it all by way of modern, Western sensibilities. ;)

We're not just going to be able to lay out the latest news blog (or newspaper) and say, "Hey, look, it's happening!!!" No, it was meant to be somewhat more difficult to interpret than that, I think, which is why there are a number of portions in the book of Revelation that I just say, "I have noooooooooo idea what it could ever refer to." But this isn't to say that I see no historical meaning in it whatsoever.
 
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...Or maybe it just represents the military might and power of an entire people group who detests "the worshiping of demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk...murders, magic arts, sexual immorality or thefts"?
You are unto something there... :)

If I may fill the void...

17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.
In Mat. 15:18-20 the Lord says: "But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person;..."

Military weapons cannot inflict injury (defile a person) unless of course he is using them unjustly. Sin on the other hand is always injurious. With that in mind, I would interpret the passage from Revelation as follows:

The horses are souls of men and the riders are the demons that have control over them because of the sins of the former. Both are described as quick to anger (fiery red), ethereal (or spiritual, rational) in nature as the color of heaven (dark blue) and caustic like sulfur* on account of their passionate (or fleshly) desires. By means of these powers all possible sins are committed. Through anger, divisions, hatred, condemnation and murder. By means of falsehood, heresy, blasphemy and the like the mind, the eye of the soul is blinded, just like smoke blinds the bodily eyes. Finally through passionate desires, sins of gluttony, fornication, theft, love for power and glory are committed. Some of these sins are committed through the mouth while others through bodily action, the tail. That is why the power of the horses is said to be in these two members.


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* Sulfur burns the skin.
 
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You are unto something there... :)

If I may fill the void...


In Mat. 15:18-20 the Lord says: "But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person;..."

Military weapons cannot inflict injury (defile a person) unless of course he is using them unjustly. Sin on the other hand is always injurious. With that in mind, I would interpret the passage from Revelation as follows:

The horses are souls of men and the riders are the demons that have control over them because of the sins of the former. Both are described as quick to anger (fiery red), ethereal (or spiritual, rational) in nature as the color of heaven (dark blue) and caustic like sulfur* on account of their passionate (or fleshly) desires. By means of these powers all possible sins are committed. Through anger, divisions, hatred, condemnation and murder. By means of falsehood, heresy, blasphemy and the like the mind, the eye of the soul is blinded, just like smoke blinds the bodily eyes. Finally through passionate desires, sins of gluttony, fornication, theft, love for power and glory are committed. Some of these sins are committed through the mouth while others through bodily action, the tail. That is why the power of the horses is said to be in these two members.


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* Sulfur burns the skin.

It's always possible that you're insights contribute to a relevant interpretation here. But, in looking at the patterns of referential meaning that you're describing, can you find anything analogous or parallel to them in the Old Testament?
 
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It's always possible that you're insights contribute to a relevant interpretation here. But, in looking at the patterns of referential meaning that you're describing, can you find anything analogous or parallel to them in the Old Testament?
Objects, (even places and names) can have multiple properties and functions so what they symbolize in different contexts is not always the same. In Proverbs for example, fire is used to describe both the boiling of the blood on account of sexual desire (Prov. 6:27) as well as anger (Prov. 26:20). Horses are used to describe the unbridled sexual desire of some people (Jer. 5:8), or the relationship between someone being controlled or guided by another (the rider). It could signify the mind ruling the body, the demons a soul even Christ His faithful (Hab. 3). Tail can signify the end (Deut. 28:13), with the head (where the mouth is) the beginning. The beginning of every sin is a thought, a word, hence the mouth, while the end is performing it in action...

I know this is not a complete description of the thought process that I employed in interpreting the passage, but yes, I did take into account other OT references as well as interpretations I've read in the Church Fathers.
 
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