Breath of Life=Holy Spirit?

Animals have a body and a soul. When you are born again you are born of the Spirit.

ewq1938 said:

Both man and animals have a living soul and the breath of life and a spirit.



Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature [soul] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


living= 02416 chay
creature = 05315 nephesh


Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature [soul] after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


living= 02416 chay
creature = 05315 nephesh


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


living= 02416 chay
soul= 05315 nephesh


Both man and animals are a "living soul" according to God.


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Man has the "breath of life".


Genesis 7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.


Animals also have the breath of life.


1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.


Man and animals have different flesh, but both are a living soul and the breath of life.


Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath [ru^ach]; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

What befalls the flesh of animals will also befall the flesh of man. Animals and man have the same breath! Breath here is ru^ach meaning spirit!


(YLT) For an event is to the sons of man, and an event is to the beasts, even one event is to them; as the death of this, so is the death of that; and one spirit is to all, and the advantage of man above the beast is nothing, for the whole is vanity.


Animals and man have one spirit (one spirit to all) meaning the same spirit!


07307 ruwach {roo'-akh}
from 07306; TWOT - 2131a; n f

AV - Spirit or spirit 232, wind 92, breath 27, side 6, mind 5, blast 4,
vain 2, air 1, anger 1, cool 1, courage 1, misc 6; 378

1) wind, breath, mind, spirit


Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.


The flesh of animals and man both go to the same place!


Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?


The only difference is the spirit of man will go up to God while the spirit of an animal will go down. No resurrection for animals, no afterlife.



So, according to God both man and animals are a living soul and have the the breath of life and have a spirit.

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Good post.

Gen.7:21(ASV) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

22all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit, of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.

breath of the spirit of life

Genesis 7:22 ►
Text Analysis
Str Translit Hebrew English Morph
3605 [e] kōl כֹּ֡ל all Noun
834 [e] ’ă-šer אֲשֶׁר֩ that [had] Prt
5397 [e] niš-maṯ- נִשְׁמַת־ the breath Noun
7307 [e] rū-aḥ ר֨וּחַ of the spirit Noun
2416 [e] ḥay-yîm חַיִּ֜ים of life Adj
639 [e] bə-’ap-pāw, בְּאַפָּ֗יו in the nostrils Noun
3605 [e] mik-kōl מִכֹּ֛ל of all Noun
834 [e] ’ă-šer אֲשֶׁ֥ר that [was] Prt
2724 [e] be-ḥā-rā-ḇāh בֶּחָֽרָבָ֖ה in the dry [land] Noun
4191 [e] mê-ṯū. מֵֽתוּ׃ died Verb

I think the breath and spirit are different things.

Peace.

ewq1938 said:

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath [ru^ach]; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

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This is saying that even though man has the breath of life he still dies like the beasts. We hear so often from Solomon that all is vanity. 2 Peter 2:12 talks about this also: "But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish."

Zechariah 13 8 And in all the land,”declares the LORD, “two-thirds will be cut off and perish, but a third will be left in it. 9 This third I will bring through the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’”…

The only difference is the spirit of man will go up to God while the spirit of an animal will go down. No resurrection for animals, no afterlife.

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There will still be animals in Heaven because of the Ruach Spirit that is in us. If they love us and we love them. I think even people can be saved this way.

Matthew 10 "40 He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives the One who sent Me. 41 Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is My disciple, truly I tell you, he will never lose his reward.”

joshua 1 9 said:

IF each day is half of the day before

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How did you come up with this?

Serving Zion said:

How did you come up with this?

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Gerald Schroeder, He has a PhD from MIT. Also he is a student of Great Kabbalah teachers from 1000 years ago. The big bang theory started out as a Kabbalah teaching.

http://geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx

"In trying to understand the flow of time here, you have to remember that the entire Six Days is described in 31 sentences. The Six Days of Genesis, which have given people so many headaches are confined to 31 sentences! At MIT, in the Hayden library, we had about 50,000 books that deal with the development of the universe: cosmology, chemistry, thermodynamics, paleontology, archaeology, the high-energy physics of creation. Up the river at Harvard, at the Weidner library, they probably have 200,000 books on these same topics. The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don't expect that by a simple reading of those sentences, you'll know every detail that is held within the text. It's obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out."

Breath of Life can't be Holy Spirit because if It was then HS could not be given to us because we alredy had it from beginning nor could you lose it like Daniel praying to God .

Prophets could not say that Spirit of God came upon them when they did prophecy because they would have Spirit of God alredy.

That's why presupposition that HS is breath of life is wrong .

joshua 1 9 said:

We know for a fact that lots of people all over the world survived Noah's flood.

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How can you reconcile the apparent contradiction between what you have said here when it is compared to what St Peter said in 1 Peter 3:20, that only eight souls were carried in the ark through the flood?

Serving Zion said:

How can you reconcile the apparent contradiction between what you have said here when it is compared to what St Peter said in 1 Peter 3:20, that only eight souls were carried in the ark through the flood?

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There are two issues we have to deal with: translation and interpretation. Peter is talking about the story of Noah so we can go back to Moses and read that story for ourselves. You are asking about this story in terms of what we learn from science. What we know is that Noah's world was what we would refer to as a bio diverse ecosystem. Noah's "world" was not the entire biosphere. We have individuals and individuals make up a ecosystem and ecosystems make up a biosphere.

In the case of Noah his flood was what the Bible calls a shadow and a type of the flood that took place at the time of Pangaea when the entire super continent of Pangaea was destroyed. This was the beginning of plate technotices or the ring of fire. Science uses the word: Paradigm. This is why we have Paradigm shifts when our understanding is changed by new information. So we go through a paradigm shift and for a check and a balance we have Bishop Usshers book written over 500 years ago when we did not have the understanding we have today. Still there is no contradiction in Usshers book with modern science. The problem comes from YEC people that add to the Bible and add to Usshers book things that simply are not there. Also this may not pertain but Gerald Schroeder uses teachers from 800 years ago as a check and balance to make sure we are not allowing modern science to effect our thinking. (Maimonides & Nahmanides)

There is no conflict between Science and the Bible. If you think there is a conflict then the problem is you do not understand Science and you do not understand the Bible. Because they support each other. Science helps us to understand the Bible. The Bible helps us to understand Science. The Bible is recorded history and science often is based on the natural evidence we have. For example we use Google Satellite photos to help us establish where Eden was based on where the old river beds are that we read about in the Bible. WE see that Eden is at the bottom of the Persian gulf. WE see that the Strait of Hormuz failed to hold the water back at the time of Noah and this is when the Persian gulf was formed. We know this because of the evidence that science is giving us right now. Just like we know from Peter that ONLY 8 people survived that flood. The flood was to the degree that no one living there at the time survived.

Today there are experts on the domestication of plants and animals in the Middle
East. The science of Botany can tell you the ancient plants that grow in that area that evolved and were domesticated and became the food that we eat today. If it were not for Noah all of that would have been lost. Also science tells us how the domesticated foods traveled from the Middle East to Europe. One of the BIG qualities that makes a food domesticated is the ability to transport it from one eco system to another. So science and history helps us a LOT to understand the Bible and what is going on in the days of Noah. Of course we have issues with traditions and the way people understood the Bible before modern science gives us a better understanding. This is why Jesus warns us of the traditions of man and the leaven of the pharisees. This is what we need to be careful of when we read the story of Noah.

Many many books could be and have been written about this and I try to keep it brief. Hundreds of thousands of book explain to us what we read about in the Bible. Every book in the world would not be enough because God is eternal and there is no beginning or end with God. The first word in the Bible is beginning so we do read about beginnings in the Bible. We know that Jesus is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end. God knows the end from the beginning and even in our life He writes the book of our life before we are even born.

joshua 1 9 said:

You are asking about this story in terms of what we learn from science.

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You are wrong about this.

joshua 1 9 said:

Just like we know from Peter that ONLY 8 people survived that flood.

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Do you think that St Peter believed it to be a localised flood or a worldwide flood?

Serving Zion said:

Do you think that St Peter believed it to be a localised flood or a worldwide flood?

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Not speaking for the one you replied to....

Peter, (and also all the Ekklesia, and all were saints), believed TORAH and practiced TORAH,
and
knew simply and purely as written , perfectly, the flood was as Yahweh stated - destroyed all flesh on earth, worldwide. (except the 8 people on the ark and the animals on the ark, as written)

(the other stuff about pangea is just mythology, and when opposed to Scripture should not even be considered worth discussing)

Except the whole world society including science in and of the world
is opposed to helping anyone find the Kingdom of Yahweh .

joshua 1 9 said:

There is no conflict between Science and the Bible.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

destroyed all flesh on earth, worldwide.

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Thank you for contributing this, and can you please include the location of the scripture that says this, so we can check for possible translation errors?

Cement said:

In Genesis 1 we have God creating the world out of nothing by his spoken word which means all creation including living and breathing animals. However when we get to the creation of man in Genesis 2; God firsts molds man out of the earth and then breaths into his nostrils the breath of life.

My question is regarding this. Does God imbue into man his Holy Spirit from creation? Furthermore was mans body formed first and then he was given a soul or was he formed whole? In Genesis 6:3, we have God stating that his Spirit will not abide in man forever. We know our bodies are the Temple. When Adam sinned he lost not only his physical presence but also strong spiritual connection to God. How do you see it?

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ag_grafi/pd/genesis/emfysima1.htm

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We were both spirit and physical/flesh. Only the Most High God can give a Living, Unique Spirit (as opposed to a mere copy or clone).

When anything in the Creation transgresses the Law, it must die. This is the Law of the Most High God. All of them dies: spirit, flesh, essence.

The spirit died immediately, which is why Adam and Eve realized they were naked. Just like the Redeemer is seen in visions with a white raiment of light, Adam had that "raiment" of radiating light as he was full of the Spirit of God.

We are all dead and decaying; we just shift the goalposts of "death" every generation. That is why we have to eat to preserve our cellular structures. If we were truly alive, we would not need energy to sustain us because we wouldn't break down or degenerate.



So, the Most High God didn't lie when He said, "...THIS DAY you shall die." Adam died, but since he was coming straight off of perfection, it took his flesh much longer to fully decompose (especially with respect to his inherent healing factor.) As he and his progeny mated, their denatured genetics shortened our "shelf life," and many other things (like the connection to the spirit; some of us don't even know it exists.)

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Except the whole world society including science in and of the world
is opposed to helping anyone find the Kingdom of Yahweh .

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Science is neutral. They are not for or against God. They try to go where the evidence leads them. If by the world you mean what satan has control over, that is coming to an end as we are beginning to end into the Kingdom age where we will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years.

Science and the Bible support each other. IF you reject the Bible then you have to reject science also. True reprobate infidels reject science along with the Bible.

Serving Zion said:

Do you think that St Peter believed it to be a localised flood or a worldwide flood?

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Today if you walked up to Peter and asked him I am sure he would be able to tell you exactly what happened. They learn about all of this stuff in Heaven. Although you maybe better off to talk to Noah sense he was the one that was actually there. Or if Noah was busy then you could talk to one of his sons that was on the boat with Noah.

First thing you could do is ask them if they had any kangaroo on the ark and if they had any of the species from the 10,000 islands in the Pacific. Ask them how they traveled all over the world to rescue and save all of those species from all of those biodiverse eco systems.

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