Does anyone know how to stop getting /DIV at every line? Have no clue why thats showing up - driving me nuts!
Cougan, if Baptism by water is so essential, why do most Christians, even theologists and pastors/ministers agree its not a requirement?
John baptized in water for the preparation of the coming of Jesus - it is only a sign of the inward baptism by the holy spirit.
<DIV class=words-list>Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned. </DIV>
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<DIV class=words-list>I don't think this is talking about water Baptism. To me it means He that believes and is THEN baptized by the holy spirit is saved, but he that doesn't believe is condemend since without belief, the holy spirit doesn't baptize you.</DIV>
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<DIV class=words-list>If baptism by water were so essential it would have said He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not and is not baptized in water shall be condemned.</DIV>
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<DIV class=words-list>Being baptized in water is a WORK on our part to show our inward change in Jesus. And God makes it quite clear, without contradiction that no work by man has anything to do with salvation. It is all on God. Baptism in water isn't a gift from God, its a work done by us.</DIV>
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<DIV class=words-list>Also on your point of why Paul didn't baptize because people would be doing it in his name.</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>By that logic, in order to be baptized in Jesus' name, Jesus himself would have had to baptize - which he clearly never did. So that is a blatant condradiction on your part.</DIV>
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<DIV class=words-list>You also seem to be a small minority on this board that believes its a requirement?</DIV>
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<DIV class=words-list>Afterall, the main denomination that requires it is the Catholic Church and we all know the contradictions and heresy that come out of there - so i don't consider them to be a good role model.</DIV>
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<DIV class=words-list>I'm sorry but you are essentially condeming tons of true believers and people alive in Jesus to Hell based on your own interpretations - Jesus said numerous times that faith alone in him is how you get to Heaven, not faith and works or water immersion.</DIV>
Does anyone know how to stop getting /DIV at every line? Have no clue why thats showing up - driving me nuts!
Cougan, if Baptism by water is so essential, why do most Christians, even theologists and pastors/ministers agree its not a requirement?
John baptized in water for the preparation of the coming of Jesus - it is only a sign of the inward baptism by the holy spirit.
<DIV class=words-list>Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned. </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list> </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>I don't think this is talking about water Baptism. To me it means He that believes and is THEN baptized by the holy spirit is saved, but he that doesn't believe is condemend since without belief, the holy spirit doesn't baptize you.</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list> </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>If baptism by water were so essential it would have said He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not and is not baptized in water shall be condemned.</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list> </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>Being baptized in water is a WORK on our part to show our inward change in Jesus. And God makes it quite clear, without contradiction that no work by man has anything to do with salvation. It is all on God. Baptism in water isn't a gift from God, its a work done by us.</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list> </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>Also on your point of why Paul didn't baptize because people would be doing it in his name.</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>By that logic, in order to be baptized in Jesus' name, Jesus himself would have had to baptize - which he clearly never did. So that is a blatant condradiction on your part.</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list> </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>You also seem to be a small minority on this board that believes its a requirement?</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list> </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>Afterall, the main denomination that requires it is the Catholic Church and we all know the contradictions and heresy that come out of there - so i don't consider them to be a good role model.</DIV>
<DIV class=words-list> </DIV>
<DIV class=words-list>I'm sorry but you are essentially condeming tons of true believers and people alive in Jesus to Hell based on your own interpretations - Jesus said numerous times that faith alone in him is how you get to Heaven, not faith and works or water immersion.</DIV>
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