Lets see how far we can get reading the bible before someone disagrees

brinny · Jul 24, 2018

cfyahoo08 said:
ok, well then I guess its your turn to post the next verse

Ok, thanks

4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

ViaCrucis · Jul 24, 2018

Petros2015 said:
Wait, what waters?

In ancient near eastern cosmology the idea of a primordial ocean out of which things came was common. We can see it, for example, in the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation myth where the primordial ocean is personified as the goddess Tiamut; Tiamut gave rise to the gods, then the gods battled it out for supremacy--from their violent warring, their spilled blood etc, came land, mountains, trees, animals, and human beings.

In Genesis, on the contrary, God precedes the primordial ocean and He deliberately gives shape and form to the universe; He takes the unformed earth and gives it form--He separates light and dark, water and sky, land and sea, and then He populates these spaces with creatures to rule them. He gives the sun, moon, and stars to rule day and night, He gives birds and fish to rule sky and sea, and He gives beasts and creeping things to rule the land--then He makes human beings to be His representative in creation, as the image-bearing creature.

The author isn't interested in where the primordial matter of the cosmos came from, the author is interested in describing the God who ordered creation and ultimately man's place in God's order.

-CryptoLutheran

miamited · Jul 24, 2018

cfyahoo08 said:
To "use" the original we'd all need to be able to read the original IN THE ORIGINAL not a translation of it. We'd also need to be able to communicate in the original language complete with the knowledge of the colloquial meanings of things, terms and society of the day it was written in. It would not be enough to have a literal translation of just the words meaning has been lost just thru changes in society

Hi cfyahoo,

Actually, to use the originals we'd have to find them first.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

cfyahoo08 · Jul 24, 2018

miamited said:
Hi cfyahoo,

Actually, to use the originals we'd have to find them first.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Well there's that too I guess but we've gotta work with what we have.

miamited · Jul 24, 2018

Dave-W said:
haMayim הַמָּֽיִם The ha- prefix is "the."

Hi dave,

Thanks for answering petros' question. You do a much better job at that then I ever could.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

seventysevens · Jul 24, 2018

cfyahoo08 said:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

nah , it was uncle Fred that did that

cfyahoo08 · Jul 24, 2018

seventysevens said:
nah , it was uncle Fred that did that

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Tanj · Jul 24, 2018

cfyahoo08 said:
There are so many different places to post stuff, I have no idea where I am allowed to post stuff and not allowed to post stuff.

Most of this board is really only open to Christians. You are posting in one of the few areas where non Christians, including atheists, are allowed to post.

Personally, I doubt there's a single "meaning" for any line in the bible that every Christian agrees on.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 24, 2018

Dave-W said:
The original Hebrew text is not a translation.
And if you are digging down deep, any translation, even the KJV, comes up short.

I did not see a KJV only in the op .....

I saw it. It's right there.

OldWiseGuy · Jul 24, 2018

ViaCrucis said:
In ancient near eastern cosmology the idea of a primordial ocean out of which things came was common. We can see it, for example, in the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation myth where the primordial ocean is personified as the goddess Tiamut; Tiamut gave rise to the gods, then the gods battled it out for supremacy--from their violent warring, their spilled blood etc, came land, mountains, trees, animals, and human beings.

In Genesis, on the contrary, God precedes the primordial ocean and He deliberately gives shape and form to the universe; He takes the unformed earth and gives it form--He separates light and dark, water and sky, land and sea, and then He populates these spaces with creatures to rule them. He gives the sun, moon, and stars to rule day and night, He gives birds and fish to rule sky and sea, and He gives beasts and creeping things to rule the land--then He makes human beings to be His representative in creation, as the image-bearing creature.

The author isn't interested in where the primordial matter of the cosmos came from, the author is interested in describing the God who ordered creation and ultimately man's place in God's order.

-CryptoLutheran

I think he was pointing to a preexisting earth, Genesis 1 being a restoration.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 24, 2018

Tanj said:
Most of this board is really only open to Christians. You are posting in one of the few areas where non Christians, including atheists, are allowed to post.

Personally, I doubt there's a single "meaning" for any line in the bible that every Christian agrees on.

At least in name, this is a "Christian site" with rules accordingly.
On this earth, there's many forms and groups called/ of "Christian".

If you search throughout the earth, and find Ekklesia (born again by God's Will, set apart by Him for Himself to do His Will) , you will find that they agree in union in Jesus daily, worshiping and serving Jesus only, and no other gods, and no other idols.

Tanj · Jul 24, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
At least in name, this is a "Christian site" with rules accordingly.

Well, since the point raised was directly related to not knowing where to post, it seemed a reasonable observation to make. As to insulting all of the Christian users of this site by quoting "Christian site"...well, I guess I'm not that kind of non-Christian.

On this earth, there's many forms and groups called/ of "Christian".

Have you considered joining one of them?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 24, 2018

Did I say it was unreasonable ?

Tanj said:
Well, since the point raised was directly related to not knowing where to post, it seemed a reasonable observation to make. As to insulting all of the Christian users of this site by quoting "Christian site"...well, I guess I'm not that kind of non-Christian.

Do you think deceivers/ pretenders on the stage of life we live in/ should be thought well of or pampered somehow for some reason ? (see quote of your post below about the deceivers/ pretenders )
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Tanj said:
Have you considered joining one of them?

No, as you posted >>

Tanj said:
Personally, I doubt there's a single "meaning" for any line in the bible that every Christian agrees on.

i.e. your experience is indicative of something so important few people realize it.
However,
If you search throughout the earth, and find Ekklesia (born again by God's Will, set apart by Him for Himself to do His Will) ,
you will find that they agree in union in Jesus daily, worshiping and serving Jesus only, and no other gods, and no other idols.

Holoman · Jul 25, 2018

Petros2015 said:
Eh me too. For the record, I disagree on Gen 1:2. I don't think there were literal waters at that point. I'm not sure the Hebrew had words for things like 'quantum foam' though 4 thousand years ago or so when things were written down.

As far as I know, in the early stages of the earths development for life, the earth was covered completely by water. I think we can take it literally, and that the first verse is skipping over the whole creation of the universe, solar system and earth itself.

Petros2015 · Jul 25, 2018

Holoman said:
As far as I know, in the early stages of the earths development for life, the earth was covered completely by water.

I had never heard that outside of Genesis, I had imagined a more or less molten earth with water added by comet impacts later but this is a national geographic article which supports something close to the Genesis view.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141030-starstruck-earth-water-origin-vesta-science/

"The planet formed as a wet planet with water on the surface."

Hammster · Jul 25, 2018

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