Imminent Destruction of the United States

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... don't believe anything which your lying eyes tell you. You MUST believe ME and everything I SAY. Now, pack up your possessions and move with me to Guyana ...



DaDad
You are right I don't believe anything you say !
That makes as much sensibility as your bizarre private scripture interpretations
 
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You are right I don't believe anything you say !
That makes as much sensibility as your bizarre private scripture interpretations

You're smart. NEVER believe ANYTHING someone says. ALWAYS DEMAND SCRIPTURE.

Thus I once again provide:

So if Scripture is correct that the "dead" arise first, and then they which are alive and remain shall be "caught up", then if we follow the "dead" then those who remain "alive" are raptured accordingly:

Rev. 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
... 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.

Thus, when at the end of the age, when THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE RAISED, all who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem:

1 Thess 4:15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Please don't allow your church doctrine to supersede Scripture!
Now perhaps you would be so responsible, -- or perhaps you still won't.

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You're smart. NEVER believe ANYTHING someone says. ALWAYS DEMAND SCRIPTURE.

Thus I once again provide:

So if Scripture is correct that the "dead" arise first, and then they which are alive and remain shall be "caught up", then if we follow the "dead" then those who remain "alive" are raptured accordingly:

Rev. 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.
Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
... 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
Thus, when at the end of the age, when THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE RAISED, all who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem:

1 Thess 4:15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Please don't allow your church doctrine to supersede Scripture!
Now perhaps you would be so responsible, -- or perhaps you still won't.

Thanks,
DaDad
As I have said several times already - you have shown that you have no understanding of what the point &purpose of a rapture is for - why it happens at all - all you are doing is trying to assemble scriptures without understanding what they all about thus you get the timing all messed up - you can certainly believe whatever you want to as you do have freewill to do that
 
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As I have said several times already - ...

Yeah, I think I know the problem. It's what YOU say versus what SCRIPTURE says. So as long as it's YOU making your "doctrine", I don't think a conversation is possible. Let me know when it's SCRIPTURE that makes doctrine!

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DaDad
 
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Yeah, I think I know the problem. It's what YOU say versus what SCRIPTURE says. So as long as it's YOU making your "doctrine", I don't think a conversation is possible. Let me know when it's SCRIPTURE that makes doctrine!

Thanks,
DaDad
This is your own fault that you do not understand - I have asked multiple times for you to give a detailed explanation for the reason why there will be a rapture and the only thing you can do is post the same verses over and over - IT BE OBVIOUS YOU HAVE NO EXPLANATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHY - so now I don't care to continue with this as it is pointless - believe whatever you want to !!!
 
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This is your own fault that you do not understand - I have asked multiple times for you to give a detailed explanation for the reason why there will be a rapture and the only thing you can do is post the same verses over and over - IT BE OBVIOUS YOU HAVE NO EXPLANATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHY - so now I don't care to continue with this as it is pointless - believe whatever you want to !!!

Please don't waste both our time until you provide SCRIPTURE to support your doctrines.

Thanks,
DaDad
 
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To All,

Please allow me to once again provide exactly what SCRIPTURE says regarding the "Rapture" of the church, specifically WHEN it occurs and WHAT it accomplishes:

So if Scripture is correct that the "dead" arise first, and then they which are alive and remain shall be "caught up", then if we follow the "dead" then those who remain "alive" are raptured accordingly:

Rev. 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.
Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
... 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
Thus, when at the end of the age, when THE REST OF THE DEAD ARE RAISED, all who are alive and remain on earth shall ascend to the New Jerusalem:

1 Thess 4:15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Thanks,
DaDad
 
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... now back to the TOPIC, please allow me to prescribe the near term event which Prophecy provides regarding the United States of America.

But before we proceed, please allow me to observe that Russia (the Bear) is the furthermost NORTHERN Superpower. The U.K. (Lion) and the U.S. (eagle) are further SOUTH. And of course, China (not a circularly marked cat -- leopard -- which Daniel knew, but rather the vertically marked cat -- tiger -- which Daniel didn't know because the trade route to the orient hadn't been opened yet) and their neighbor North Korea are the KINGS to the EAST.

So now to Scripture:

Daniel 11:40 “At the time of the end the king of the south shall attack him; but the king of the north shall rush upon him like a whirlwind, with chariots and horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall come into countries and shall overflow and pass through. 41 He shall come into the glorious land. And tens of thousands shall fall, but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites. 42 He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 He shall become ruler of the treasures of gold and of silver, and all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall follow in his train.
Per this stanza apparently the U.S. and her allies will attack somewhere in the middle east, whereupon Russia and Iran shall respond in force, and Lybia and modern day Somalia (one half of ancient "Ethiopia") shall join the conflagration through Egypt.

Of course, many Russians will be alarmed at their government's actions and take to the streets in protest, but the GREATER concern will be from China which will presumably be militarily reinforced with North Korea's armaments:

Daniel 11:44 But tidings from the east and the north shall alarm him, and he shall go forth with great fury to exterminate and utterly destroy many.
And we see this same scenario from Ezekiel's perspective in Chapters 38 & 39, which are too extensive to add to this Post.

Thanks,
DaDad
 
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And we see this same scenario from Ezekiel's perspective in Chapters 38 & 39, which are too extensive to add to this Post.
Good to get back to the OP topic. It's sad to see people who are locked into the 'pre-trib rapture to heaven' theory, finding they actually have no scriptural proof that God intends to do such a thing. Much scripture refutes it.

Your beliefs, DaDad, confuses the several attacks to come.
First, there will be an attack onto the Jewish State of Israel, by a confederation of Islamic entities. Psalms 83 describes this the best, who is involved and what happens to them

Next, is an attack on the new nation, Isaiah 62:1-5, that will occupy all of the holy Land and live there in peace and prosperity, trusting wholly on the Lord for their protection.
He will not let them down and when a huge army comes down from the North, the Lord will wipe them out. Ezekiel 38:21-23, Joel 2:20

Later, there will be a successful attack on them by the armies of the One World Govt, led by the man we know as the 'beast' or Anti-Christ. Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2
Three and a half years after that, Jesus will Return and destroy his armies, Revelation 16:12-16, and chain him, [Satan] up. Revelation 19:11-21

There will be a fifth and final attack, at the end of the Mill. which again will be won by the Lord.
 
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Good to get back to the OP topic. It's sad to see people who are locked into the 'pre-trib rapture to heaven' theory, finding they actually have no scriptural proof that God intends to do such a thing. Much scripture refutes it.

Hey Keras,
Always good to see your Posts!


Your beliefs, DaDad, confuses the several attacks to come.
First, there will be an attack onto the Jewish State of Israel, by a confederation of Islamic entities. Psalms 83 describes this the best, who is involved and what happens to them.

Actually, if you'd followed the concept proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", you'd be aware that already was a "war" in 1983

And if you considered Psalms 91, you'd be able to associate that Chapter with Desert Storm!

Next, is an attack on the new nation, Isaiah 62:1-5, that will occupy all of the holy Land and live there in peace and prosperity, trusting wholly on the Lord for their protection.
He will not let them down and when a huge army comes down from the North, the Lord will wipe them out. Ezekiel 38:21-23, Joel 2:20

THIS is EXACTLY the attack that both Daniel and Ezekiel address!

Later, there will be a successful attack on them by the armies of the One World Govt, led by the man we know as the 'beast' or Anti-Christ. Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2
Three and a half years after that, Jesus will Return and destroy his armies, Revelation 16:12-16, and chain him, [Satan] up. Revelation 19:11-21

And THIS is the attack which is orchestrated by the United Nations under the leadership of the Secretary General whose name sums to 666!

There will be a fifth and final attack, at the end of the Mill. which again will be won by the Lord.

And as you accurately observe, this will be the final attack against GOD's creation by Satan.

GREAT JOB! I think with a few tweaks we're in agreement!

With Best Regards,
DaDad
 
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Maybe two decades ago. But todays generation? Not a single unsaved person in my age bracket that I have personally ever met is interested in biblical prophecy.
Probably because what they've been told prophecy "means" always turns out to be bunk.
 
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Actually, if you'd followed the concept proposed by J.R. Church in his book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", you'd be aware that already was a "war" in 1983
And if you considered Psalms 91, you'd be able to associate that Chapter with Desert Storm!
Always a way to make it "work", isn't there?

No wonder people inside the Church scoff at End Times mavens, and people outside the Church scoff at the Promise of His Coming. The End Times enthusiasts have turned Scripture into nonsense with their ridiculous "interpretations".
 
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Kevin Snow said:
Trump's new policy "Make America Great Again" is the beginning of the message that this nation should turn inward and thereby reduce and stop many of our activities in the rest of the world. This is the fulfillment of this passage in scripture:

Ah, you destroyer, who yourself have not been destroyed, you traitor, whom none has betrayed! When you have ceased to destroy, you will be destroyed; and when you have finished betraying, they will betray you. ~Isaiah 33:1

Our imminent destruction is at hand. I reveal to you that we are the 7th Babylon according to the word in Revelations:

they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while. ~Revelation 17:10

And we only have about 250 years of history and are certainly young in comparison to the other nations of the world. We will not remain much longer either. For New York City is the prostitute which is to be destroyed according to Revelations:

And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire ~Revelation 17:16

I wrote this all and revealed this in scripture and by historical fact through a small book which I wrote. It is the word of God which I am to speak to the people so that you may be warned and may take warning and do what God requires of you. The book is free. When you have time to read it, please take the time.

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/672850

I haven't looked at the site, I will stick to observing what is happening and going by what I see from the Bible. Mystery Babylon really corresponds to virtually all cities of civilization. Destruction involves destructive activities to this earth, which we who would be Yahweh God's people should avoid involvement with, those continuing with that involvement with no repentance to turn from that involvement will face God's judgment (Revelation 11:18). All these cities of civilization are in line for that doom of falling and coming to destruction. The prophesied beast's kingdom will be his gathering of what remains for the last attempt for civilization to have it continue, while still in rebellion against God, with having that which would be put in place of God. Jesus will return in victory over all that, against all those that would fight against him.
 
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... No wonder people inside the Church scoff ...

Maybe it's because they're really NOT "inside the church":

Jude 1:18 ... “In the end times there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.”

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Maybe it's because they're really NOT "inside the church":Jude 1:18 ... “In the end times there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.”
Thanks,DaDad
Couldn't quote all that I said, could you DooDad? We scoff at End Times hobbyists and their consistently false "interpretations" of prophecy. Kinda of like this rubbish "interpretation" of Scripture:

"Per this stanza apparently the U.S. and her allies will attack somewhere in the middle east, whereupon Russia and Iran shall respond in force, and Lybia and modern day Somalia (one half of ancient "Ethiopia") shall join the conflagration through Egypt."

Of course the Scripture said nothing even remotely like that, but you hasten to assure us that that is what it really means. And those of us who believe that Scripture generally means what it says scoff, loudly,at such an obvious load of bovine excrement as this ridiculous "interpretation".

No believer scoffs at the promise of our Lord's coming, and those who accuse them of it are in general knowingly and intentionally lying. That may not be true in your case, and I'm willing to attribute it to you simply not knowing any better. But you do know better now, so take care not to make the charge again now that the only reason to do so would be simple malice and mendacity.
 
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There is Gog and Magog that are yet to come against Israel. I don't think I understand it well. But I don't think the event happened that was prophesied. The prophesied event in Ezekiel seems to be distinct, with the armies that would be destroyed having all the dead remaining there, and the people of Israel there living there with enduring peace. The armies are of many peoples around that land, including from far to the north of Israel. Gog and Magog coming against the city from which there is godly rule in the world, a messianic prophecy, is to happen at the very end, when the world the way it is will be destroyed right afterward, with God's judgment of all who lived coming right afterward, so that fulfilled would not have that lasting peace for the people of Israel. The redeemed who repented, through Christ, will enter the new earth among new heavens.
 
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There is Gog and Magog that are yet to come against Israel. I don't think I understand it well. But I don't think the event happened that was prophesied. The prophesied event in Ezekiel seems to be distinct, with the armies that would be destroyed having all the dead remaining there, and the people of Israel there living there with enduring peace. The armies are of many peoples around that land, including from far to the north of Israel. Gog and Magog coming against the city from which there is godly rule in the world, a messianic prophecy, is to happen at the very end, when the world the way it is will be destroyed right afterward, with God's judgment of all who lived coming right afterward, so that fulfilled would not have that lasting peace for the people of Israel. The redeemed who repented, through Christ, will enter the new earth among new heavens.

The following was helpful to me.

IS THE GOG/MAGOG WAR THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON?


http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Gog

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The following was helpful to me.
I read Brian Huie's fabrication.
He is just the usual clueless person, who forces a square peg into a round hole. In no way is the G/M attack the same as Armageddon, they differ in every way: The reason for the attack, the people involved, the disposal of the bodies, etc.
No; the theory that they are the same battle, is wrong and just leads to more confusion about the end time events.
 
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