We should not pray for anything. God already made up his mind trillions of years ago

Apologetic_Warrior said:

Except we are finite creatures, still living in corruptible bodies. To quote a popular wise poet whom I miss:

"Well, it took the hand of God Almighty
To part the waters in the sea
But it only took one little lie
To separate you and me

Oh, we are not as strong
As we think we are

And they say that one day Joshua
He made the sun stand still in the sky
But I can't even keep
These thoughts of you from passing by

Oh, we are not as strong
As we think we are

We are frail
We are fearfully
And wonderfully made

Forged in the fires
Of human passion
Choking on the fumes
Of selfish rage

And with these our hells and our heavens
So few inches apart
We must be awfully small
And not as strong as we think we are"

- Rich Mullins "We Are Not As Strong As We Think We Are"

The Lord commands us to pray, which means He desires that we pray, and that should be all the reason we need for those of us whom love the Lord, to pray. Walk in the ways He has ordained, rather than trying to solve the ancient mysteries of the sovereignty, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, and immutability of God.

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joshua 1 9 said:

God does not deny us of any good thing. Also there can be a delay for when God answers our prayer. First we need to cleanse and purify our heart and then He can give us the desires of our Heart. Psalm 37:4 "Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart." We need to learn the meaning of: "delight in the Lord".

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joshua 1 9 said:

God wants us to prosper but His idea of prosperity is different from the world. Health is more important then wealth, and some people say health is wealth. 3 John 1:2 "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth."

People allow to much devil talk to attach itself to their soul. We can be loosed from all of that baggage so we can rejoice and be glad in God. WE can allow good to be attached to our soul.
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 8:36

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joshua 1 9 said:

God wrote the book of our life before we were born. Our angels can read that book so they know the life and the plans that God has for us. Also of course the Holy Spirit guides us, leads us and teaches us what we need to know. Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

Jesus lived His life as an example for us to follow. If we accept our priesthood before God. He went about teaching, preaching and healing. We pray in church: "They kingdom come, thy will be done". This is more important now than ever because we are entering into the Kingdom age. We are to live our life here on Earth the way they live in Heaven where there is no fights, arguments, divisions or contentions. Everyone in Heaven loves everyone in Heaven. Even we are told now to love our enemies and return good for evil. If people are evil toward us we are still to be good and show them the love of God.

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CGL1023 said:

The two following verses should be factored in to your arguement.

2 Corinthians 1:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

1 John 5:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

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Sam91 said:

This is nonsense! I have had many prayers answered. A lot of times I have prayed for someone else then had the prayer answered for me too, because I was actually in need for the thing I was praying for too but did not know. I have personally been healed of physical ailments after praying, one time it was bacterial infection which pain and swelling, but started improving immediately meaning the next day it was better, wasn't psychosomatic. Prayer works.

Just because a few people haven't had answered prayer for some things it is a very closed minded view to propose.

The Bible outlines what prayer is, how it should be done, and what to expect.

Reasons why a prayer will be answered no are quite straightforward. The person is asking for something which will be detrimental for them. It isn't in His will to grant it. The petition isn't made with faith. You have wronged someone and haven't made up (although, I think I've had them answered anyway... so I don't understand that.)

Sometimes it is in His will but not yet.

Infact, answered prayer is more noticeable if you write prayers out. I was keeping a prayer journal and it was amazing when readibg it a few days later and realising that the prayer had been answered already but you hadn't remembered praying for it. I strongly recommend doing that. I should restart that.

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JacksBratt said:

Saw the headline of the thread. Wondered how anyone can be so ignorant of Christ and the bible... Then saw the name and the number of posts................ figures.

Good day all.

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zoidar said:

Elijah prayed for rain and it rained. Good enough proof for me.

Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit. /James 5:17-18

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thesunisout said:

Scripture isn't 100 percent true? That belief is the reason you don't understand prayer. Ask God for the faith to believe His word. If you can admit that weakness to yourself then you will open the door to God to revive your faith.

God instructs us to pray about everything. Look at how God wanted Job to pray to the Lord to restore his friends, because the Lord wouldn't accept their prayers. We are supposed to pray for others for this very reason, and many others.

Job 42

7 And so it was, after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. 8 Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.

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SolomonVII said:

God made up his mind eons ago that people who pray to him are his people. Your prayers make all the difference to him. Always have, and always will.
We live in the now, even if God lives in eternity, but he respects our limitations, even shared in them at one moment in history when he partook in the greatest story ever told.
I don't think though that prayer is the equivalent to a lottery ticket, and an easy way to lots of goodies.

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fhansen said:

What if He made up His mind trillions of years ago to answer prayers of those who sincerely asked?

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Cement said:

What about the mystery of prayer? God in his supreme will works in ways we cannot comprehend. I will never in my life stop praying for myself and loved ones because I already have so many prayers that were answered by him. Prayer glorifies God it allows us to see his power manifest itself clearly and humbles us before him.

Also this type of thinking that "everything is in Gods hands so I dont need to do a thing or lift a finger" because obviously its all in Gods hands is very problematic! God loves to work within his creation. Divine providence is even more magnificent to see then a miracle because to understand how God can make a infinite amount of calculations by free willed people to do his divine will is astounding.

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dqhall said:

I know I do not need to pray to ask for a new car. Mine is not yet 3 years old. I asked God to heal my mother who is in her 80's and is going to die. I got an answer that mom's condition is terminal and she is going to die. I pondered and remembered a very old person can not be restored to the condition of a 25 year old person. It was not seen in Jesus' time in Galilee and is not seen today. I prayed that God might teach my dad to be thin instead of obese. I talked to dad about it. He told me he is going to eat what he wants and he is going to die.

About God deciding everything trillions of years ago. How would you know? You do not know the day or the hour when the first jelly fish appeared in the sea. If God could have taught men to eliminate polio, small pox and cholera in the time of Jesus, he would have. Back then only a few were healed of such things. In recent times these diseases do not commonly appear in the USA. The last known case of polio in the US was in 1979. Improvement takes time. Knowledge increases. God did not have a way to know what you were going to eat today trillions of years ago.

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christine40 said:

for this child we prayed (many years)
and God answered our prayers

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Yarddog said:

Says the person who doesn't ask? I agree that we should not be selfish in our prayer but prayer is communication with our Father in heaven and scripture is full of prayer which God answers. He also answers our prayers, though it may not be in the manner that we want.

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dreadnought said:

You are mistaken. The Lord is about love. You make him sound like a machine.

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