We should not pray for anything. God already made up his mind trillions of years ago

gideon123 · Jul 22, 2018

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Respectfully ... your own post does not glorify God.

I must say ... it is truly tiring to see people come onto this forum, offer the strangest opinions, and yet not one of them is reading the Bible on a daily basis.

How do people imagine that they will find the Light, if they dont take time to read the wisdom ... already given by God??

My advice is this:

Cancel Twitter.
Get rid of Facebook.
Unplug your television set.
Go back to reading the Bible.
One Chapter every day.
And then God will open your eyes!!!

Just like the blind man who washed the mud off his eyes at the Pool of Siloam ... you will discover the truth. See the Book of John, Chapter 9.

Blessings!!

Monna · Jul 22, 2018

I don't think omniscience is the same as predestination or predetermination.

Consider a chess or GO game with a player that can see every possible move that can be made by herself or her opponent, and also knows that regardless of the individual moves, she knows how to win. The outcome is inevitable. But the particular series of moves does not have to be predetermined, even if they are known as potential steps. In this particular context that is omniscience. He also knows what choice you will make - but that doesn't mean he forces you to take it. He also know all the other choices you could have made, and was prepared for everyone of them. Again, that His will in the end will prevail, does not necessarily mean that He has manipulated you at any or every specific instance, and predestined your every choice.

God's way of combining foreknowledge and freewill is probably much more sophisticated than this illustration, but it does help me at this stage in my life to balance several things I read in the scriptures. We are active creatures who are responsible for our actions. He knows all the choices we face in this GO game at each move. The choice is ours, but he also knows how to respond in the face of each and every potential move we make, so that in the end, He will be the winner. (Actually, because Jesus defeated death, He is already the winner.)

Where the analogy of course falls down is that we are not playing a game with God. We are subjects within a vast contest between enormous forces. God will not lose. But we do have a say in what role we play and we are responsible for our choices. One catch is that every action has a set of inevitable consequences - those are not independent of the action, they are not subject to independent choice.

fhansen · Jul 22, 2018

What if He made up His mind trillions of years ago to answer prayers of those who sincerely asked?

Rubiks · Jul 22, 2018

Think of God as some sort of divine algorithm. The algorithm never changes, but what outputs (gifts) he gives depends on the inputs (prayers) we supply.

SolomonVII · Jul 22, 2018

God made up his mind eons ago that people who pray to him are his people. Your prayers make all the difference to him. Always have, and always will.
We live in the now, even if God lives in eternity, but he respects our limitations, even shared in them at one moment in history when he partook in the greatest story ever told.
I don't think though that prayer is the equivalent to a lottery ticket, and an easy way to lots of goodies.

Anto9us · Jul 22, 2018

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 22, 2018

God is the boss. He does what He Pleases to do.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 22, 2018

Not necessarily, not for everyone. There are many it is written of He does not hear their prayers.

Jenniferdiana · Jul 22, 2018

i dont know. i wish i prayed more.

thesunisout · Jul 22, 2018

Scripture isn't 100 percent true? That belief is the reason you don't understand prayer. Ask God for the faith to believe His word. If you can admit that weakness to yourself then you will open the door to God to revive your faith.

God instructs us to pray about everything. Look at how God wanted Job to pray to the Lord to restore his friends, because the Lord wouldn't accept their prayers. We are supposed to pray for others for this very reason, and many others.

Job 42

7 And so it was, after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. 8 Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.

redleghunter · Jul 22, 2018

Let’s research just how “pray” is used in the entire Bible:

Pray

zoidar · Jul 22, 2018

Elijah prayed for rain and it rained. Good enough proof for me.

Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit. /James 5:17-18

Yarddog · Jul 22, 2018

Let me see, you just make things up as you go and discount all the scriptures which contradict your position. Scripture is full of prayers by God's children asking for things and being granted them based on their faith.

JacksBratt · Jul 22, 2018

Saw the headline of the thread. Wondered how anyone can be so ignorant of Christ and the bible... Then saw the name and the number of posts................ figures.

Good day all.

Sam91 · Jul 22, 2018

This is nonsense! I have had many prayers answered. A lot of times I have prayed for someone else then had the prayer answered for me too, because I was actually in need for the thing I was praying for too but did not know. I have personally been healed of physical ailments after praying, one time it was bacterial infection which pain and swelling, but started improving immediately meaning the next day it was better, wasn't psychosomatic. Prayer works.

Just because a few people haven't had answered prayer for some things it is a very closed minded view to propose.

The Bible outlines what prayer is, how it should be done, and what to expect.

Reasons why a prayer will be answered no are quite straightforward. The person is asking for something which will be detrimental for them. It isn't in His will to grant it. The petition isn't made with faith. You have wronged someone and haven't made up (although, I think I've had them answered anyway... so I don't understand that.)

Sometimes it is in His will but not yet.

Infact, answered prayer is more noticeable if you write prayers out. I was keeping a prayer journal and it was amazing when readibg it a few days later and realising that the prayer had been answered already but you hadn't remembered praying for it. I strongly recommend doing that. I should restart that.

CGL1023 · Jul 22, 2018

The two following verses should be factored in to your arguement.

2 Corinthians 1:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

1 John 5:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Greg Merrill · Jul 22, 2018

What about Matthew 7:7; 1 Timothy 2:1-2, Psalms 122:6; 2 Chronicles 7:14? How boring for both God and man if God had predetermined everything before hand, which I know many believe through a wrong interpretation of Election, Predestination, Ordination, and Calvinistic teachings.

joshua 1 9 · Jul 22, 2018

God wrote the book of our life before we were born. Our angels can read that book so they know the life and the plans that God has for us. Also of course the Holy Spirit guides us, leads us and teaches us what we need to know. Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

Jesus lived His life as an example for us to follow. If we accept our priesthood before God. He went about teaching, preaching and healing. We pray in church: "They kingdom come, thy will be done". This is more important now than ever because we are entering into the Kingdom age. We are to live our life here on Earth the way they live in Heaven where there is no fights, arguments, divisions or contentions. Everyone in Heaven loves everyone in Heaven. Even we are told now to love our enemies and return good for evil. If people are evil toward us we are still to be good and show them the love of God.

joshua 1 9 · Jul 22, 2018

God predetermined that we are to walk in love, do good and reject evil all the days of our life from beginning to end.

joshua 1 9 · Jul 22, 2018

God wants us to prosper but His idea of prosperity is different from the world. Health is more important then wealth, and some people say health is wealth. 3 John 1:2 "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth."

People allow to much devil talk to attach itself to their soul. We can be loosed from all of that baggage so we can rejoice and be glad in God. WE can allow good to be attached to our soul.
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 8:36

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