Don't hold your breath too long while waiting for this, Dan, you might turn blue.
I'm not going to waste my time reading that stuff. No insult intended, but I don't care what any non-A28er has to say about A28D, since I've already heard it all and rejected it. I'm 100% convinced, with zero doubts, ever, that A28D is the only way to fly. To me, A9D is very distorted, forced, and squeezed into place to make it fit a preconceived idea. It's a square peg in a round hole.
With A28D, it's so simple. You just obey 2Tim 2:15 and cut the scripture once, at a place that's Israel on one side of the cut and Gentile on the other side of the cut. There's only one place in the Bible where that is possible - the very end of Acts. There are 59 books that are all-Israel and 7 books that are all-Gentile, except for a few Jews that have converted to Christ.
I was A13D for about a year, 30 years ago, and have followed the ONLY correct doctrine - A28D, ever since. There is nothing written in Acts, by Paul or anyone else, that will tell me, or anyone else living today, what our Calling is, what the Hope of our calling is, or anything else about our future. For today's church, these things are found only in Paul's books written after Acts. No one living today will be in the all-Israel rapture. Our resurrection hope is the Appearing, found only after Acts.
During the entire book of Acts, the Calling of the church was the New Jerusalem, the mother of them all. The New Jerusalem is absolutely not Heaven. It comes down out of Heaven and attaches to the New Earth and stays there, as far as we know. The Calling after-Acts is to the Highest heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God. No one in any book in the Bible, except for those in Paul's 7 after-Acts Books, EVER had a chance of going to Heaven - search and see. This difference alone (I have a list of about 30-40 other differences) proves that Acts and after-Acts are separate entities.
Also, everything Paul taught in Acts was from OT Prophecy or Moses - Ac 26:22, but nothing after Acts had ever been know by anyone. Everything after Acts is brand new and it all had been a secret hid in God since the world began. Col 1:26. Therefore, nothing Paul wrote in Acts, as far as what happens to us is concerned, can be applied to anything written after Acts, or visa versa. I did read one short section in that 68 page tome you gave me in that 1st link. That guy twisted and distorted the scriptures in Rom 16:25-25, in a totally failed attempt to prove the the mystery in vs 25 was the the same as the Mystery in Colossians, even though the one in Romans was, without a doubt, hidden in the scriptures of the prophets - vs 26. After seeing that dishonesty, I deleted it. Garbage. However, this constant dishonesty is what I always feel when reading anything about A9D.
In saying all this, I must conclude by saying that A9D is the second most knowledgeable group on the planet.
When things are different, they aren't the same. Test the things that differ!!!
Nonsense, lol - yours is your same old cop out, once more.
Fact is that a good 22 or so, of those points on those pdfs, were spot on accurate about the errors of both the Acts 28 and the Acts 9 / Acts 28 Hybrid views.
The one about Romans 16 is not one of those. Because he is King James Only or KJVO.
Meaning, that despite his unnecessary derogatories against those he wrote those 25 errors about, his own explanation of Romans 16: 26's "scriptures of the prophets" is meant to maintain his KJVO position.
The Greek reads "prophetic writings."
In other words, God's utterings in written form.
As in Paul's...
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
That is a "prophetic writing."
As is this...
1 Corinthians 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Paul's phrase "prophetic writings" is simply not that difficult to identify the actual sense of.
Not for the Bible student.
The fact is that Romans 16: 25 and 26 are a summary of what he has been doing throughout Romans.
Or as he himself has already noted previously...
Romans 15:14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
15:15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
There you have it, clear as day - Paul's own, previous assertion in Romans itself - that he had viewed his own writings as "prophetic writings."
In other words, as writings inspired of God, as His Prophet or speaker, of God's desired and or determined will, given God's purpose for, and in Paul...
15:15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. 15:17 I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God. 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
This here...
Romans 15:15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Was crystal clear obviously what he'd meant by this here...
Romans 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
Peter had also defined what "prophetic writings" had meant...
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
There, prophecy, or prophetic utterance, came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
A quality of such writings that Peter in the same Epistle later also attributes to Paul's writings.
2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Where did Peter get that from?
3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
It is Paul's writings that explained this delay of the Lord's return or 2nd Advent to Israel that Peter had preached, say, in Acts 3 - a delay of same in God's longsuffering - that Peter asserts Paul had addressed in his writings...
One example being Paul's "prophetic writings" about that in...
Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
But first...
Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Try to spin it how you need to, your ever obviously "books learned" Acts 28 view, can't even begin to hold a candle to the ever obviously solidly Bible based Acts 9 Position.
:chuckle:
For all your talk of the need to rightly divide the Word of truth, you are ever promoting the writings of Acts 28 writers - which is itself a dissimulation, given how you dismissed even bothering much with those 25 points in those pdfs.
Sorry, but you are ever just one more ever "books based" Bible "expert."
Proverbs 27:17; Rom. 14:5; Rom. 5:6-9.
only a few will find that life and find themselves LIVING it!
