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Doesn’t make sense.
First. Do you realize that people of nineveh are Gentiles? A spiritual picture of Gospel going to the gentiles after Christ’s death. And they DID repent. Ever wondered why Jonah protested to God after the deadline past that the people aren’t even Jewish?
Second, Christ didn’t died in 30AD.
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Second, Christ didn’t died in 30AD.
What year he died then ?
He began preaching the Gospel at about age 30.........thus 70ad would be about 40 yrs from then.

Matthew 2:6
And thou Bethlehem, land of Judah, not being inferior-most are in the ones-leading of Judea.
For out of thee shall be going-forth One-leading, Who-any shall be shepherding/poimanei <4165> (5692) the people of Me, the Israel

Luke 3:23
When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli,

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a
Son, a male, who is about to be shepherding/poimainein <4165> (5721) all the Nations in rod/staff, iron.
And is caught-away the child of her toward the God, and toward the of Him.

Hebrews 3:17
Now with whom was He angry forty years?
Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?

Jonah 3:4
Jonah began by going a day's journey into the city, proclaiming, "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown."

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-about-jonah.8067726/

What about Jonah?
 
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With God, anything is possible.......


And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
 
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Doesn’t make sense.
First. Do you realize that people of nineveh are Gentiles? A spiritual picture of Gospel going to the gentiles after Christ’s death. And they DID repent. Ever wondered why Jonah protested to God after the deadline past that the people aren’t even Jewish?
Second, Christ didn’t died in 30AD.
The Book of Jonah is another rather large study of mine, perhaps because of the similarity I saw between him and Saul/Paul of the NT.

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-about-jonah.8067726/
What about Jonah?

Jonah 1:
1 Now the word of Yahweh came to Jonah son of Amittai, saying,
2 “Arise! Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it,
because its wickedness has come up before Me

Acts 9
15 “Go!” said the Lord. “This man is My chosen instrument/vessel to carry My name before the Gentiles and their kings, and before the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for My name.

Matthew 12:41
`The Ninevites shall be resurrecting/anasthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with this generation, and they shall be condemning it
that they repent into the proclamation of Jonah
and behold! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:32]
 
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Right, it was just a huge coincidence that armies came, surrounded Jerusalem, and destroyed it and the temple in 70ad......


The OP did submit the following as an argument. You don't see that as a valid argument?

Third, after the city was destroyed, then God sent out His servants to secure wedding guests. Are we to then suppose that the church waited over 30 years until 70 A.D. when a physical destruction of Jerusalem took place before God (this King) sent His servants out to find guests? The whole idea is inconsistent because when something is not true it generally is always inconsistent. For example, it won't fit because there is no real harmony as with God inspired truth. The biblical fact is, God sent his servants out to secure guests to the wedding when he poured out His Holy Spirit at Pentecost, not over 30 years after Pentecost after a destruction in 70 A.D.
 
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If flying horses were meaning spacecraft of some kind, flying horses make sense then. Surely Jesus and everyone gathered to Him in the air are going be hanging around together in a craft of some kind, rather than all of floating around in the sky without being in a craft of some kind. Kind of defeats the purpose of saying they all are on white horses. Anyone that has read the OT, especially the first cpl of chapters in Ezekiel, it is not unreasonable to conclude that God and angels, and maybe even the devil and his angels, they get around the universe via crafts of some sort.

I think God is old fashioned , he says Scrolls and Books while he could use Computer and Microsoft word .He probably will not have a spaceship cuz there is no space.

I don't think we are going to be hanging in air we go to heaven for 7 year fest prior to the battle .
I think only Jesus has white horse we the rest have no horses at all or fire horses .

 
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With God, anything is possible.......
In the OT when Daniel was given His vision that is a close match with John's Revelation when Daniel asked God what it meant and God told Daniel to seal up the book until the time of the end , because people of the OT times and early church days would not understand what it was about - only the generation of people that are living during the time it is fulfilled will understand - now consider that when Jesus gave John the Revelation and spoke about fighter Jets ,
AI piloted Drone planes with bombs , military armored tanks , WMD nuclear bombs , satellites armed with high powered lasers , Nuclear bombs as in EMP , things that people of biblical times could not even begin to imagine , how would anyone of biblical times think John's Revelation would be real ?
They would not believe what John wrote
It had to be given to John in a manner that the people of the early church could relate to and understand

Even today when we have these things and enough weaponry to destroy the earth a few hundred times over there are people who refuse to believe that Jesus will have a kingdom on earth even though the scripture teaches us that , and even though the scriptures are very clear that when Jesus returns satan is cast into the pit for 1000 years and there are people today that say it has already happened - without any proof of it
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Even today when we have these things and enough weaponry to destroy the earth a few hundred times over there are people who refuse to believe that Jesus will have a kingdom on earth even though the scripture teaches us that , and even though the scriptures are very clear that when Jesus returns satan is cast into the pit for 1000 years and there are people today that say it has already happened - without any proof of it
:)
The Romans didn't need to use tanks, stealth bombers, cruise missiles, fighter jets to destroy the Great City of Jerusalem in Revelation as prophecied.

They did it simply by using catapaults and battering rams, and perhaps a little of God's help, succeeded in completely leveling it in about 5 months........:) ;)

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

Revelation 16:21
And great Hail as a talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous.


Revelation 18:18
“and cried out when they saw the smoke of Her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great City?'


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

Josephus tells of the Roman catapults being used to cast whitewashed boulders over the walls of Jerusalem and they each weighed one talent.


As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city.
Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.

It could be literal in the sense of large stones launched from catapaults, as Josephus describes concerning the destruction of Jerusalem.


Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses,
it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ;
for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory.

There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection.
 
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The Romans didn't need to use tanks, stealth bombers, cruise missiles, fighter jets to destroy the Great City of Jerusalem in Revelation.
They did it simply by using catapaults and battering rams, and with God's help, succeeded in completely leveling it in about 5 months........:) ;)

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

Revelation 16:21
And great Hail as a talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous.


Revelation 18:18
“and cried out when they saw the smoke of Her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great City?'


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

Josephus tells of the Roman catapults being used to cast whitewashed boulders over the walls of Jerusalem and they each weighed one talent.


As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city.
Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.

It could be literal in the sense of large stones launched from catapaults, as Josephus describes concerning the destruction of Jerusalem.


Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses,
it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ;
for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory. There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection.

This assumption has one flaw like

Matthew 24:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

If siege of Jerusalem was Great Tribulation then what was WW1 and WW2 for Jews because it was way worse than that .

WW2 took 1 Jew out of 3 Tribulation takes 2 Jews out of 3 .
 
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The OP did submit the following as an argument. You don't see that as a valid argument?



1.) King destroys Jerusalem
Matthew 22:7The king was enraged. He sent his troops to destroy those murderers and burn their city

Destruction of Jerusalem
Matthew 24:15-19
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.
How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.
Destruction of Jerusalem
Luke 21:20-22 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city. For these are the days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.

2.) the King then sends his servants to gather the good and bad to fill the wedding hall after destroying Jerusalem .
Matthew 22:10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered everyone they could find, both evil and good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

immediately after the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus sends out the angels to gather the elect
Matthew 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
The son of man ends out his angels to harvest at the end of the age
Matthew 13: 41-43 he Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness. And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
After the great tribulation of Daniel's people, the dead rise, both good and bad
Daniel 12:1-2 But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
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This assumption has one flaw like

Matthew 24:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

If siege of Jerusalem was Great Tribulation then what was WW1 and WW2 for Jews because it was way worse than that .

WW2 took 1 Jew out of 3 Tribulation takes 2 Jews out of 3 .
It would help me to know what great City do you view in Revelation?
In order to avoid derailing this thread, I will start one on Jerusalem in Revelation.......
 
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The Romans didn't need to use tanks, stealth bombers, cruise missiles, fighter jets to destroy the Great City of Jerusalem in Revelation as prophecied.

They did it simply by using catapaults and battering rams, and perhaps a little of God's help, succeeded in completely leveling it in about 5 months........:) ;)

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

Revelation 16:21
And great Hail as a talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.
And the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous.


Revelation 18:18
“and cried out when they saw the smoke of Her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great City?'


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

Josephus tells of the Roman catapults being used to cast whitewashed boulders over the walls of Jerusalem and they each weighed one talent.


As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city.
Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.

It could be literal in the sense of large stones launched from catapaults, as Josephus describes concerning the destruction of Jerusalem.


Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses,
it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ;
for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory.

There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection.
2000 years ago they didn't have tanks and jets - they would have used them if they had them , and the place and time when Armageddon takes place , catapults will be useless ,

and these things have not yet happened--> And great Hail as a talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.

:) ;)
 
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2000 years ago they didn't have tanks and jets - they would have used them if they had them , and the place and time when Armageddon takes place , catapults will be useless ,

and these things have not yet happened--> And great Hail as a talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men.

:) ;)
Your are of course entitled to your view.....
 
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After the great tribulation of Daniel's people, the dead rise, both good and bad

Dead people rose from dead when Christ died but that's different type of people these are firstfruits .
People did not rise from the dead 40 years later when Jerusalem was destroyed . Matthew 27:52-53
 
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Dead people rose from dead when Christ died but that's different type of people these are firstfruits

Considering Jesus is the 1st fruits from the dead, their resurrection was most likely similar to that of Lazarus.

But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1 Corinthians 15:20 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 15:20&version=ESV

People did not rise from the dead 40 years later when Jerusalem was destroyed53

That’s when Jesus said it would happen: after Jerusalem’s destruction. Additionally, Paul believed the resurrection was about to take place:

having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, [that] there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;
Acts 24:15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 24:15&version=YLT
 
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Considering Jesus is the 1st fruits from the dead, their resurrection was most likely similar to that of Lazarus
Yes

That’s when Jesus said it would happen: after Jerusalem’s destruction. Additionally, Paul believed the resurrection was about to take place:

Paul thought that Apostles were last ones to die for thier faith and the rest won't see death , but later on after Jews rejected the Kingdom he understood that and instructed Timothy about church stuff .
 
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Yes , that sword is analogy to Word of God , he will speak and they will die .
Ah, well at least you recognize symbolism here, as you agree that it is the word of God that slays the wicked. So if it is the word of God that slays the wicked, then why will we need to fight on horseback?
 
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