Why Do Certain Right-Wingers Keep Saying Falsely the Left Wants War?

wing2000 · Jul 17, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
If you use warmongering rhetoric, I can only assume you want war.

Who used warmongering rehetoric?

DaisyDay · Jul 17, 2018

Blade said:
"Alex Jones? Hannity? " in the same line?

Yeah, they're equally off the wall when it comes to reality, imo.

I have even said that about the left. Its all the things before Trump.. as in Obama/FBI/CIA knew about what Russia was trying to do and did nothing but say "stop it". I do understand how Trump can see this ONLY about him and then say what he did in Russia.

Wait, what? First, the FBI and CIA are not "the left", not even close. Second, that line about did nothing but say "stop it". seems to be another talking point repeated ad nauseum even though - or especially because - it is factually untrue, ie. more propaganda.

For me its the out right hate for Trump.. and then watching the things the NEWS has said.. vs..wont say and its as if they want some kind of war with LEFT VS RIGHT or with Russia. To many lies going on.. I dont even watch the news any more. To much FAKE NEWS. Being.. a tad of truth with some truth left out.

I agree about "watching" the news - what is there to watch - cable news? But there is good old-fashioned reading. But what has that got to do with right-wingers claim that the "media and left", virtually indistinguishable in some minds, want actual war?

Is it meant to be an incendiary exaggeration or is this believed by the people who spout it? << not a rhetorical question!

DaisyDay · Jul 17, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Why is the left against President Trump's efforts at peace talks with Russia and N. Korea?

Is this an admission that the wants-war claim is meant to be aggravating or do you actually believe this baseless accusation?

DaisyDay · Jul 17, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
If you use warmongering rhetoric, I can only assume you want war.

Please give an example of warmongering rhetoric.

Clint Edwards · Jul 17, 2018

Blade said:
"Alex Jones? Hannity? " in the same line?

I have even said that about the left. Its all the things before Trump.. as in Obama/FBI/CIA knew about what Russia was trying to do and did nothing but say "stop it". I do understand how Trump can see this ONLY about him and then say what he did in Russia.

For me its the out right hate for Trump.. and then watching the things the NEWS has said.. vs..wont say and its as if they want some kind of war with LEFT VS RIGHT or with Russia. To many lies going on.. I dont even watch the news any more. To much FAKE NEWS. Being.. a tad of truth with some truth left out.

For the last 50 years they have hated the American process of making law, abandoning the legislation process, based upon the will of the people, for the legal process, based upon the will of activist courts. They are now in a hysterical frenzy because seeing the age of non legislated law ending. They are terrified of the state populations actually making the laws in the states.

SoldierOfTheKing · Jul 17, 2018

DaisyDay said:
Please give an example of warmongering rhetoric.

I already did in my first two posts on this thread.

Clint Edwards · Jul 17, 2018

tas8831 said:
Not to mention the fact that it does not appear that NK is doing anything 'promised' to the great deal maker.

You are aware, are you not, that an agreement to negotiate a final agreement, isn´t a final agreement, aren´t you ? Historically have broken down in negotiation quite often. They also have succeeded as well. We are at the stage of agreeing to negotiate and good will gestures, a long way to go to a fully negotiated and ratified treaty.

Redac · Jul 17, 2018

wing2000 said:
Who used warmongering rehetoric?

DaisyDay said:
Please give an example of warmongering rhetoric.

Here's just one example.

Putin’s Attack on the U.S. Is Our Pearl Harbor
Make no mistake: Hacking the 2016 election was an act of war. It’s time we responded accordingly.

2tim_215 · Jul 17, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
During the second debate, Hillary Clinton called for imposing a no fly zone over Syria. Since the Russians had already installed some of their best air defense artillery there, such a policy could have easily facilitated World War III.

Even if the election of Trump did not prevent World War III, it certainly prevented Cold War II.

Is that like Obama's red line? No sane person (Dem or Republican) wants war including Putin. Most of the talk is rhetoric.

2tim_215 · Jul 17, 2018

Redac said:
People have referred to Russia's alleged cyberattacks as acts of war, and advocated retaliation against Russia.

Cyber retaliation? Maybe?

wing2000 · Jul 17, 2018

Redac said:
Here's just one example.

Putin’s Attack on the U.S. Is Our Pearl Harbor
Make no mistake: Hacking the 2016 election was an act of war. It’s time we responded accordingly.

You do understand this is an opinion piece that is call to defend our values, ideology and institutions?

This is our Pearl Harbor, our 9/11. In the past, we have risen to the defense of our values, our ideologies and our institutions. It’s time for another fight. The ball — as Putin said — is in our court.

Belk · Jul 17, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
During the second debate, Hillary Clinton called for imposing a no fly zone over Syria. Since the Russians had already installed some of their best air defense artillery there, such a policy could have easily facilitated World War III.

Even if the election of Trump did not prevent World War III, it certainly prevented Cold War II.

How?

FreeinChrist · Jul 17, 2018

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SoldierOfTheKing · Jul 17, 2018

Belk said:
How?

Trump Calls Off Cold War II

Tanj · Jul 17, 2018

Clint Edwards said:
For the last 50 years they have hated the American process of making law, abandoning the legislation process, based upon the will of the people, for the legal process, based upon the will of activist courts. They are now in a hysterical frenzy because seeing the age of non legislated law ending. They are terrified of the state populations actually making the laws in the states.

Can I get a quick clarification as to which particular group of Theys you are ranting about?

Richard T · Jul 18, 2018

The world is not closer to war because of Trump. Trump's conciliatory tone has diffused Russia and N. Korea. The left is antagonistic toward Russia, because they think the election meddling cost them Hillary. In reality they should blame themselves, for God, exposed their sins. This also has created a huge spiritual chasm in the U.S. A classic God versus the powers of darkness. That is the war we should all be praying about.

Liza B. · Jul 18, 2018

Speedwell said:
For the Right there is no middle ground.

This from the same party that brought "briefly separating children and parents who came here willingly is the Holocaust" and "Trump siding with Putin in anything is Pearl Harbor"

As my daughter says, "I can't even"

DaisyDay · Jul 18, 2018

Redac said:
Here's just one example.

Putin’s Attack on the U.S. Is Our Pearl Harbor
Make no mistake: Hacking the 2016 election was an act of war. It’s time we responded accordingly.

And did you read the article?

[I said:
Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling and Molly K. McKew[/I]]A dozen seasoned Russian military intelligence officers conducted hacking and infiltration operations against U.S. political parties and state elections infrastructure, including voter rolls and registration systems. They established false identifies, covered their trail and used cryptocurrency to hide the origin of their operations. These units created false personas that successfully masqueraded as journalists, other hackers, and other influencers, and they built out the infrastructure of a fictitious “hacktivist” group to release materials stolen from the DNC. The indictment also explains that these GRU cells were generating their own revenue to conduct these operations, both by mining bitcoin and by diverting donations from the Democratic Party via a spoofed webpage. That is true evil genius.

Proxy or official, the Russian operatives were able to create “American” personas that interacted freely with American voters, journalists, activists—and campaign officials. They also seemed to have considerable knowledge of how to target and parse American audiences. All of this was subversive and deceptive—but done right out in the open. It was targeting American society and individuals in a way that bypassed the existing system of protections, including those inherent in our own decision-making.

If you read the article and actually believe that they are calling for any kind of nuclear retaliation or conventional military response, then you simply don't know how to comprehend what you read. The key word with what you quote mined is "accordingly" which means "corresponding". To respond to a cyber/political attack with nuclear weapons is absurd and obviously contrary to the good general's point.

Tiberius Lee · Jul 18, 2018

As I wrote in my previous post , President Trump’s supporter claim to love America, they want to make America great again, they go to President Trump’s event wearing USA flag, and chant USA! USA! USA!. They get upset about NFL over kneeling, but in past few days we have seen their true patriotism.

Here is a dictator ( PUTIN) , who murder his own people who oppose him, he attack sovereign country and take away their land, who interfere in our democracy and freedom, yet just like their leader, they can’t say anything bad about Putin but blame everyone else. “Whataboutsm “ , Hilary, Obama, left, media, even politician in their own party who doesn’t praise Putin.

They can hide behind the flag but we can see what they really love. It not America!

Belk · Jul 18, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Trump Calls Off Cold War II

That does not explain how having a no fly zone in Syria would cause WW3.

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