Six Months in and I'm Already Doubting My Salvation

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I feel scared and condemned because I've never felt joy in God. I have no feeling of affection for Him! I know that joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, so the fact that I don't have it terrifies me. I know that Christians should fight for their joy, but how can one fight for their joy if they're no longer even sure they're a Christian? It feels like a huge weight has been added to my already-heavy shoulders, and I'm stuck in a loop: I can't have assurance because I don't have joy, and I can't have joy because I don't have assurance. Is there any hope for me?

Sounds like you do not have the Spirit. What made you think you did?

Regardless, pray, fast, vigils, alms in secret for the Holy Spirit. Be persistent.
 
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There's different things that need to be considered Cerulean. Here's one thing. You say, I can't have assurance because I don't have joy, and I can't have joy because I don't have assurance" Hold on here though. Here's another way of looking at it. Picture a person you really love and trust...might it be your spouse...mother or father or a great friend? Whoever that might be picture them calling you on the phone and telling you they're going to pick you up at say 6 o'clock pm and take you out to dinner and it's something you really want to do! Forgive me but do you then wallow around in depression saying I know they said they'd do what they said but I just don't have assurance they'll do it, thus no joy? Of course not.

You're going to be all excited yup that's joy and you don't even think of trying to have assurance in a sense because why....You trust their word! You know they're a credible individual and that's probably why you like them. Now how about God? Do you trust him? Do you believe he keeps his word? If you do maybe you should get your mind off the subject of assurance for that's what you'd do for a good earthly person. You don't even think of assurance because you know assurance is linked to your knowledge of their integrity. Imagine you phoning your earthly friend and telling them I know you said you'd do it BUT I just don't have assurance you will....therefore I'm not too joyful. You know as well as I that you would have just insulted your friend. Wouldn't you feel insulted if a friend said that to you? I'm sure you don't believe in your heart that God lies and I'm sure you know he keeps his word. That being the case I'd suggest that right there is your platform for joy! You've had it all the time perhaps not knowing what joy is based on.
 
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I feel scared and condemned because I've never felt joy in God. I have no feeling of affection for Him! I know that joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, so the fact that I don't have it terrifies me. I know that Christians should fight for their joy, but how can one fight for their joy if they're no longer even sure they're a Christian? It feels like a huge weight has been added to my already-heavy shoulders, and I'm stuck in a loop: I can't have assurance because I don't have joy, and I can't have joy because I don't have assurance. Is there any hope for me?

Welcome to a lifetime of paranoia. Don't forget to thank Christian theologians (both trained and those self-appointed here on CF) for their contribution to your problem.
 
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This is a late response as I just found this post, but I wanted to reach out in hopes that what I've learning may help you.

I've struggled with the exact same problem. I didn't have "inexpressible joy" as described in 1 Peter 1:8. I did not have "the peace of God, which transcends all understanding" in Philippians 4:7 either. For me, my walk was back and forth between sin and God in the past, and a few months He has lead me back and I am here to stay.

Yet even in Him guiding me back, I am not filled with these things. I've always thought something was wrong with me, but I have found some others who are the same way. And one thing I've learned that is extremely hard to grasp sometimes is to not trust feelings. Sometimes I am filled with a lot of peace, sometimes I have brief moments of joy and seeing Christ in a new light and I praise and thank Him. But I don't focus on the feelings.

One thing that I've struggled with to is I don't really feel a physical love for Him often. I pray to be changed and love Him, and I see myself slowly changing in that regard, but I've noticed that when I am now presented with the option to sin, how broken am I! I feel a lot of sorrow that I would even consider doing the act, and if I do sin I am broken by what I have done and how I gave in. These feelings developed over time of seeking Him and praying, but I realized that this is what it means to love the Lord, "If you love me, keep my commands." (John 14:15). You are new to Christ, and I am new to truly seeking Him and following Him, and I still fall short and fail often. It takes time walking with Him to develop the fruit of the spirit (Love, joy, patience, kindness, and the others in Galatians 5:22-23)

Jesus says "Whoever comes to me I will in no wise cast out" in John 6:37. If you come to Him and ask Him to forgive your sins and to lead you and guide you He will. I used to think I had to will up the perfect surrender, the perfect repentance, the desire for Him and then I would be accepted and there would be fireworks and I would behold His glory and be overwhelmed with joy, but it never happened. Instead, I've been battling with a torn heart that half wants Him and half doesn't, half sees glimpses of hope and joy in Him and half that feels numb/driven away. Yet I've learned from my pastors and Godly friends that He accepts me as I am. It doesn't matter if I don't feel anything, heck it doesn't matter if even I am feeling negative things like a hard heart or if an overwhelming desire to sin is taking hold of me. I can turn to Christ, and He will save me and deliver me.

If you have come to Christ and asked for forgiveness and to know and live for Him, trust Him. Even if you don't feel anything. I know it can be extremely difficult, I know it can be frustrating when you feel absolutely nothing at times and see others filled with joy. But His promise is true. He loves you and is there for you. Trust Him and seek Him, even if you doubt and your faith is small, all who come to Him He will NEVER cast out or turn away.

One last thing that I want to share too is, I've learned that the fruits of the Spirit are fruits. That is, they start out as seeds. Sometimes they develop really fast, or some grow faster than others. Other times, they start as seeds and grow slowly, sometimes even very slowly. Faith is a journey. When you ask Christ to forgive you and to lead you and guide you, the journey starts. You don't need to experience certain feelings or have perfect faith. You just need to ask and trust, and trust in HIM to change you. He loves you and is for you. If you want to talk or have any other questions please let me know. We go through the same thing, and if the Lord can use what I have been taught to help you, I want to be there for you.

It took me forever to learn- and I still struggle with- that it is trusting in Him to change us and lead us. Even if we don't feel anything, and (in my life and the lives of others) even if we feel a battle in my heart between Him and sin, He doesn't reject us. All we have to do is turn to Him and trust. Even if we struggle to trust if we turn to Him He is faithful and will lead us. I hope this helps and if you want I will pray for you :). You're not alone, and you are definitely not hopeless. Spend time in His word, and try to stick to a plan and decide on a book to read. I don't know where you're at, but one of the gospels or 1 John would be a great book to read. 1 John focuses a lot on assurance of salvation and how to know you're save by Christ, and how to fix your path if you're doing something wrong. Even if you start out reading only a couple times a week, I encourage you to stay in the word and learn from Him. Pray for Him to be with you and teach you before and as you read. Also, if you haven't already, I encourage you to look for a good Church to plug into. One of the major factors of my double-mindedness (going back and forth between living for the world and God) was not being plugged into a fellowship. God led me to an amazing Church, and I made a lot of strong relationships with other believers. This has helped my walk tremendously; we are not designed to do this alone. I hope that you find peace in trusting the Lord even when you don't feel anything. If you want to talk more feel free to let me know :).
 
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Sounds like you do not have the Spirit. What made you think you did?

Regardless, pray, fast, vigils, alms in secret for the Holy Spirit. Be persistent.
What makes you so sure he doesn’t have the Spirit and what did he say in his post that makes you feel qualified to make this statement?
 
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Welcome to a lifetime of paranoia. Don't forget to thank Christian theologians (both trained and those self-appointed here on CF) for their contribution to your problem.
I agree. I think a lot of people put their own insecurities in their relationship with God i to their advice to others. Just IMHO

So is it “really” advice geared towards the other person or someone deflecting their own beliefs or sometimes lack of belief on someone else? Hmmmm.

I personally cringe at so much of the advice given here. So usually I stay out of this particular sub forum overall.

One thing I do find particularly interesting is why people do not pray and ask God for His perfect advice or wisdom/guidance in their lives, but are very open to taking advice from other people they don’t even know and/or realized most of the advice is very biased based on each individuals specific experiences.
 
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Did God ever asked you to do the impossible ? God is just asking you to fear sins and watch His commandments, is this wrong ?

Deut 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
 
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I feel scared and condemned because I've never felt joy in God. I have no feeling of affection for Him! I know that joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, so the fact that I don't have it terrifies me. I know that Christians should fight for their joy, but how can one fight for their joy if they're no longer even sure they're a Christian? It feels like a huge weight has been added to my already-heavy shoulders, and I'm stuck in a loop: I can't have assurance because I don't have joy, and I can't have joy because I don't have assurance. Is there any hope for me?
Yes, if you have hope.

1 Corinthians 13:13
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
 
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I feel scared and condemned because I've never felt joy in God. I have no feeling of affection for Him! I know that joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, so the fact that I don't have it terrifies me. I know that Christians should fight for their joy, but how can one fight for their joy if they're no longer even sure they're a Christian? It feels like a huge weight has been added to my already-heavy shoulders, and I'm stuck in a loop: I can't have assurance because I don't have joy, and I can't have joy because I don't have assurance. Is there any hope for me?

Keep praying, seek God until he does something.
Personally when i feel a touch of God it motivates me a lot it can vary what it is it can be the Holy spirit or being liberated of something. But not neccesarily joy, having joy is good but it can happen you don´t feel any for some reason. You don´t need to feel condemned because of that.
You go to a good church? that can be important.
 
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Before I became a Christian, I could experience joy in food and music and entertainment and all kinds of things, but now even those things leave me feeling empty, because all I long for is joy in God. I just don't understand how I could be a born-again Christian when I'm more miserable now than I ever was as a nonbeliever.

Maybe you are trying to navigate through your new Christian perspective, which can be hard to adjust when you've enjoyed the things of the World so much...

I am kind of going through the same thing. A lot of times I ask myself why should I do this or that if that is just gonna bring sin into my life and these range from serious to non-serious topics like watching a Hollywood series or film. And then I feel sad that I feel like I can't do anything anymore. Sometimes I feel persecuted just because of daily stuff of life (atheist friends and workplace, bad tv, moral decline). In that sense for me, it gets hard to find joy. Is that what you are experiencing?
 
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I feel scared and condemned because I've never felt joy in God. I have no feeling of affection for Him! I know that joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, so the fact that I don't have it terrifies me. I know that Christians should fight for their joy, but how can one fight for their joy if they're no longer even sure they're a Christian? It feels like a huge weight has been added to my already-heavy shoulders, and I'm stuck in a loop: I can't have assurance because I don't have joy, and I can't have joy because I don't have assurance. Is there any hope for me?
I highly recommend you read the book Knowing I’m Saved:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1983249580
 
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