Why is sunday the sabbath? And do you keep the sabbath?

ewq1938 said:

So we can keep the rules we like about the Sabbath but ignore the rules we don't like? Sounds like what man likes to do

As I and others have said already, none of the Sabbath rules were for Christians and we aren't supposed to be keeping any of the old law nor the Sabbath since it's been fulfilled but if someone is going to keep it, they need to keep it all not just the easy parts else they make a mockery of it.

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We are meant to keep some and not others, we don't drag people to the town center to stone them for adultery but we are supposed to keep others which are still relevant to us.

It's not a case of all or nothing, as you put it. We need to carefully study the scriptures to work out which OT laws still apply to us.

Dan1988 said:

The same Jesus said, only God is good. If we are no good how can a no good person do good.

The only good that comes out of us is done by the Holy Spirit through us. We have no good in us to bring to the table, all we can offer is sin and corruption. That's why we must die and He must live, it's not an instant transformation. It takes time to starve out the old man, he cries all the time and begs to be fed.

We don't get the new glorified sinless body until we die, until then we will have to battle with the old man every day and he does win many battles.

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You read the very easy to understand quote from the bible...do you really believe Jesus would have said we had to do good, if we cannot?

You do see that you are teaching something that not only does the bible not teach but a complete 180 of what I just showed you Jesus himself taught...did you not read the scripture?

Try as you are, there is just no way you can turn that into something it's not.

Dan1988 said:

The disciples of Christ established the Church, they decided to set aside Sunday as the lords day. Since Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath, you would think Christ would have corrected them if He had a problem with Sunday worship.

Christ fulfilled all of the old testament laws on our behalf, so we are not obliged to keep the old laws. The Disciples decided to make Sunday the Lords day and we continue to keep that day as the Lords day.

Every day should be devoted to serving the Lord, and one day should be set aside to cease work and fully devote our time to worship and study the scriptures.

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You really aren't paying attention. Do as you choose, but the commandment is the commandment...and the usual attempts to do away with an actual commandment, won't make that go away.

Kenny'sID said:

You really aren't paying attention. Do as you choose, but the commandment is the commandment...and the usual attempts to do away with an actual commandment, won't make that go away.

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This question has been debated by far more qualified and learned Bible Scholars then us and 97% of them agree that Sunday is the new Sabbath or (the Lords day).

I suggest you do a bit or research into the subject and look at the findings, before you run off with the Jewidisers who insist on adding the law to Christs finished work.

We are under the new covenant, the old one has been done away with.

Kenny'sID said:

You read the very easy to understand quote from the bible...do you really believe Jesus would have said we had to do good, if we cannot?

You do see that you are teaching something that not only does the bible not teach but a complete 180 of what I just showed you Jesus himself taught...did you not read the scripture?

Try as you are, there is just no way you can turn that into something it's not.

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Jesus commanded us to trust in Him and follow Him. If we believe Him, we will follow Him and trust in Him to guide us throughout our whole life. This means we will continue to sin every single day of our lives, but we hate ourselves for it.

Jesus is there to make us feel guilty and stop us from enjoying our sins. He reminds us that we are fallen sinners living in a corrupt body of death. As Paul said, we do what we don't want to do because sin is in us demanding that we serve it.

We will continue to fight against ourselves and lose the battle against sin everyday. If we remain faithful and continue to fight and suffer to the end we will be saved.

ewq1938 said:

Not according to scripture.

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

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The Glory that was contained within the Mosaic law was the Glory that was fulfilled. The Glory that came by Moses and the Mosaic Law was done away but the Moral Law that Remaineth is Glorious.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

It was the Law written by Moses that put the Vail upon their hearts not the Law written in stone by God these are two separate sets of law. Reading the Law Written by Moses is different than reading the Law that was written by God(Moral Law).The Vail that was the Mosaic Law was fulfilled/taken away and now the Glory that comes from God and is within the Moral law is able to be perceived as it is part of our new spiritual law.
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Every one of the Ten commandments were reiterated and expanded upon in the New testament showing that they are still in effect. Thus the Ten commandments are now as they have always been, a part of the Lord's law. Christ and the Apostles said that each of the Ten commandments were still in effect and even expanded upon them.
Old Testament Laws:

Moral: 10 Commandments written in stone By the finger of Y.H.W.H placed inside of Ark. Exodus 25:16
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Laws written by moses on parchment placed on side of Ark. Deut 31:26
1. Civil Law: Exodus 21:24 Eye for Eye
Leviticus 20:10 Death for Adultry.
Mal 3:10 Tithing
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2.Diatary Law: Unclean foods Leviticus 11
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3.Ceremonial Laws: Oaths, Numbers 30:2
Sacrifice of animals for sin, Exodus 29:10
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There were 613 laws in the Old testament
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Old Testament Laws Fulfilled By Yahshua the Christ:

1.Civil Law: Matt 5:38-39 Eye for an Eye.
Adultery John 8:3, Tithing Hebrews 7:1-12
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2.Diatary Law: Matt 15:11,17 1 Tim 4:2-5 Rom 14: All food is clean.
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3.Ceremonial Laws: Oaths Matt 5:33-37, James 5:12 , Hebrews 7:
Christ Lamb of God slain for mans sins John 1:29, High Priest Heb 7:
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4. The 10 Commandments were written in stone by the finger of Y.H.W.H two times. And placed inside the Ark. Deuteronomy 10:2-5. The other three Laws above were written by moses on parchment and placed on the side of the Ark, showing they were only for a time till Christ fulfilled them. Matt 5:17-18
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5. The Moral Law is the only one that was not passed away.


1st Commandment(Thou shalt have none other gods before me.)
Exodus 20:3,Deut 5:7

Matt 4:10, Luke 4:8, Matt 22:37-38, Acts 14:11-18, Romans 1:25, Romans 3:29-30, Romans 13:1
2nd Commandment(Thou shalt not make thee any graven image)
Exodus 20:4-5,Deut 5:8-10

Acts 15:20, (Acts 17:16-17 29), 1 Cor 5:9-11, 1 Cor 6:9-10, 1 Cor 10:7, 1 Cor 10:14, Thess 1:9, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Peter 4:3-4, 1 John 5:21, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:5, Rev 9:20, Colossians 3:5-6, Rev 21:8, Rev 22:14-15,( Romans 1:21-23 25)
3rd Commandment(Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain)
Exodus 20:7,Deut 5:11

Matt 5:33-37, James 5:12
4th Commandment(Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it)
Exodus 20:8-11,Deut 5:12-15

Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42-44, Acts 15:21, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:1-3, Acts 18:4, Hebrews 4:1-12

The seventh day Sabbath is kept in the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 also kept in beginning. Genesis 2:2
5th Commandment(Honor thy Father and thy mother)
Exodus 20:12,Deut 5:16

Matt 19:19, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 1:29-32, Eph 6:1-3, Colossians 3:20, 2 Timothy 3:1-2, Matt 15:2-6

6th Commandment(Thou shalt not Kill)
Exodus 20:13,Deut 5:17

Matthew 5:7-9, Matthew 5:38-39, Matthew 5:44, Luke 3:14, 1 Peter 3:9, Ephesians 6:15, Acts 23:2-3, Revelation 13:10,
Matthew 26:51-52, Matt 10:16, Romans 8:36, Revelation 12:11, Matt 19:18
7th Commandment(Thou shalt not commit adultery)
Exodus 20:14,deut 5:18

Mark 10:7-12, Luke 16:18, Matthew 5:28-30
8th Commandment(Thou shalt not steal)
Exodus 20:15,Deut 5:19

Matt 19:18, Mark 10:19, 1 Cor 6:9-10, Luke 18:20, Eph 4:28, Romans 13:9, 1 Peter 4:15, Revelations 9:20-21, Mark 7:20-23, 1 Corinthians 5:10-11
9th Commandment(Thou shalt not bear false witness)
Exodus 20:16,Deut 5:20

Matt 19:18, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20, Romans 13:9, Colossians 3:9, 1 Timothy 4:1-2, 2 Timothy 3:1-3, Revelations 21:8,
Revelations 22:14-15, Mark 7:20-23, 2 Peter 2:12-14, Matt 15:19-20
10th Commandment(Thou shalt not covet)
Exodus 20:17,Deut 5:21

Mark 7:20-23, Luke 12:15, Acts 20:32-34, Romans 7:7, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:9, 1 Corinthians 5:9-11, 1 Cor 6:9-10,
Eph 5:3-5, 1 Tim 6:10, 2 Tim 3:1-2, Hebrews 13:5, 2 peter 2:14,

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Christ Yahshua fulfilled the Old law(Mosaic Law written on parchment), and brought it to an end, finishing it.
Christ did not destroy/abolish the law but instead fulfilled/completed it. Matt 5:17-20, Collosians 2:14-15
Christ is the author and finisher of the faith. Hebrews 12:2, John 19:30

As such we are no longer under its rule.
Not under the law(mosaic law). Under grace. Romans 6:14-15
Christ is the end of Law(Mosaic law) for Righteousness. Romans 10:2-13, Acts 13:38-41
No longer under schoolteacher(The Mosaic Law). Galatians 3:5-29, 22-26
Free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-4
Not justified by the works of the law(Mosaic Law). Galatians 2:16-21
Dead to the Law(Mosaic Law) married to another(Married to the new Law. The law of faith/liberty and christ. Under grace.) Romans 7:1-6
Cast out the bondwoman(The Mosaic Law).Galatians 4:21-31
Christ has made us free from the Yoke of Bondage(mosaic Law). Galatians 5:1-6, 13-14, 18
Ephesians 2:13-17

We are now under the law of liberty and faith, in our lord Yahshua the christ. We are under grace.
The law of liberty. James 1:25,22,21; James 2:8-12
Law of Faith. Romans 3:19-28
Law of Christ. Galatians 6:2, John 15:7-17
Judged by the Law through christ(Law of Liberty/faith). Romans 2:13-20, 25-29

So you Can see brother that each of the Ten commandments can be shown in the New testament, proving that the Ten commandments are still in effect and it was only the Law of Moses along with the Glory that came by the Mosaic law that was fulfilled.

Dan1988 said:

Jesus commanded us to trust in Him and follow Him. If we believe Him, we will follow Him and trust in Him to guide us throughout our whole life. This means we will continue to sin every single day of our lives, but we hate ourselves for it.

Jesus is there to make us feel guilty and stop us from enjoying our sins. He reminds us that we are fallen sinners living in a corrupt body of death. As Paul said, we do what we don't want to do because sin is in us demanding that we serve it.

We will continue to fight against ourselves and lose the battle against sin everyday. If we remain faithful and continue to fight and suffer to the end we will be saved.

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Your reply has nothing to do with the scripture we are discussing, but if you can't deal with what's right there in black and white, the absolute expectation we do good or else, I understand.

It's tough to face the truth once we have convinced ourselves otherwise, especially when it comes to sin, something we like to do.

ewq1938 said:

It's called Judaism.

I listen to God in the bible and reject the words of man such as yourself because you are teaching Christians to obey a law meant only for Jews plus that law doesn't even exist anymore. Christ fulfilled the Sabbath and became it that's why Christians in the majority do not rest on Saturdays. The minority is incorrect on this subject.

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God didn't create Judaism, any more than he created Christianity.
He gave us his commands in the first five books of the Bible.
The rest of the Bible is details, history and prophecy.
When you toss out the Old Testament, the New hangs on nothing, and means nothing.

Christ is Greek, Jesus was Hebrew, our Messiah.

If he fulfilled the law, then why can't we sleep around, lie, cheat, steal,
murder, drink, do drugs, and whatever else we feel like doing? Why is
it that churches only pick the two commands they decide are too Jewish
to get rid of?

Romans 14: All food is clean

Correct. All food is clean, but all meat is not food.
Food is only what God told us to eat in Leviticus 11.

dreadnought said:

But no scripture?

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Scripture doesn't keep track of the years and months from then to now.
History does.

ewq1938 said:

So yes, Christ and his disciples broke the Sabbath in multiple ways:

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No, his disciples broke the Sabbath. Jesus did not.

And, yes, if he had broken the 4th commandment, he would have sinned.

Dan1988 said:

Our pastor told us to watch out for Jewdisers, who try to push the idea that we need to keep the law in order to be saved. That's not Biblical, it takes us back under the law where everyone is damned.

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True, salvation is by grace alone. Doing what God wants is not
to gain salvation, but to please the one who saved us. If you're
not that thankful, to want to please him; something is wrong.

pat34lee said:

No, his disciples broke the Sabbath. Jesus did not.

And, yes, if he had broken the 4th commandment, he would have sinned.

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Why do you say the disciples broke the Sabbath ? Did they willingly ? I don't think so, ever.

Dan1988 said:

Excuse me for butting in but doesn't "the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath", refer to the Jews and not us Gentiles.

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All of God's covenants are specifically with the children of Israel.
There are no gentile covenants. So why do Christians claim them?

pat34lee said:

Scripture doesn't keep track of the years and months from then to now.
History does.

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Yahweh does, perfectly of course, without question, no doubt at all.
History may.
(men make many mistakes)

pat34lee said:

All of God's covenants are specifically with the children of Israel.
There are no gentile covenants. So why do Christians claim them?

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False teachings and traditions.